I like how this article does not talk about the anti consumer practices engaged in by Nintendo, that might push some customers away from their consoles. /s Nintendo can disable your Switch 2 for piracy in the U.S., but not in Europe, as confirmed by its EULA. There is already a switch in my household, but the price along with the ability to remotely brick the device, is what made our household pass on the switch 2. We bought a second steam deck instead.

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[–] 72 points 10 months ago (10 children)

nintendo is having its PS3 moment

a comically overpriced console with few interesting exclusives made by an arrogant company high on the success of its predecessor

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Well... while the price of the Switch 2 certainly causes sticker shock, when you adjust for inflation it's only about as expensive as the SNES was at launch... and is in fact cheaper then the NES was at launch. However, in the PS3's case when adjusted for inflation it was about 1.5 times as expensive as the SNES at launch (for the 20 gb version, the 60 gb was double).

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    This tired old argument completely ignores the fact that consumer purchasing power was much higher back then. Everything costs a higher portion of our paychecks now, especially housing, healthcare, and education.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    I would think what you can get today from a competitor for the same price or less is much more would be much more relevant than anything that occurred 40 years ago

    (yes, the NES is 40 years old)

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Isn't the Switch 2 is cheaper in today's money than the PS3 was without a decade of inflation?

    Edit: PS3 was 600€, adjusted for inflation (by some random online calculator) that's about 900 today. So yeah, the Switch 2 is about 60% as expensive as the PS3 was.

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  • [+] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "How relevant is inflation, considering there is so much inflation that..."

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    Inflation is the measure of how much buying power your money is worth. Wage stagnation is wages not keeping up with inflation. They are not the same thing.

    Wage stagnation isn't a result of inflation because inflation happens first. So yeah when working out the equivalent price of a product inflation needs to be taken into account but so does how much money everybody has.

    If $1 in 2005 is worth $15 today, but I still only get $6 an hour then it isn't correct to say that a product that cost $15 today is effectively the same as a product costing $1 in 2005 because it's not taken into the fact that I don't get more money.

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  • [–] 58 points 10 months ago

    I didn't get one because it's too expensive.

    Steam deck was a little pricey but it has a backlog of games going back like 50 years, and I already have a large library. Plus the games are cheaper.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt the ability to brick your console remotely played too large of a part in this. It's far more likely the asking price combined with the general economic situation for the average consumer, combined with a worse screen and a lesser launch offering of titles. For my own biases, when you see how consoles have required online subscriptions and how your old games don't automatically run at higher settings when you buy the new machine, I wonder how much more gas in the tank consoles even have without some fundamental transformation.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, this is a bubble. I don't blame op for not liking that but the average consumer isn't even aware and wouldn't care anyway. Look at all the other shit the average consumer tolerates.

    I agree also- just too expensive and no real improvements. I know two people with one. The one games a lot and he enjoys it but I don't know how often he plays it anymore compared to steam. The other family plays it but are starved for games.

    Nice if you have the pocket change but fundamentally just a lot of money for a slightly upgraded switch with few dedicated games. Jmho.

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  • [–] 141 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    The Steam Deck is the better product anyway. Got one recently and damn is it good.

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Same. I was able to get like 10 long-wishlisted games for ~$100 with the Steam Winter Sale, too. Nintendo would never.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Well I saw Pokemon Legends ZA for 48% off recently. Not that it‘s worth that much or that I would ever buy a Switch 2. I actually stumbled upon that sale randomly. But the fact it‘s on sale already speaks volumes. Nintendo is likely in panic mode.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    i wonder if it has do with pokemon being slop for the past generation and this one too. the lack of quality of the pokemon games doesnt justify its high cost. also because game freak said this the future of all pokemon games.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Bro that’s my patient gaming technique! $10 games FTW!

    What you got?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago*
    • Just Crow Things
    • PowerWash Simulator
    • Wanderstop
    • Thank Goodness You're Here!
    • Night in the Woods
    • Hello Kitty Island Adventure
    • Cinnabunny
    • Unbox the Room
    • April Grove

    and I guess no. 10 was a copy of Coral Island I was gifted, oops lol

    At some point I still want LAN Party Adventures, and The Lonesome Guild but those will wait until the next sale. In the meantime I have plenty to sink my teeth (thumbs?) into!

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I got emulators setup so I can even play switch games on it as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Which switch emulator is working well for you? I still have yuzu and ryujinx on mine but games are crashing when I try to load them and stuff

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    There are several yuzu and ryujinx forks floating around. For yuzu there's citron, and eden-emu; for ryujinx there's ryubing. Game compatibility varies so I suggest trying them all and see if any works.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I find the Steam Deck far too heavy and bulky unfortunately. I'd love a Switch sized handheld PC.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I love mine but I also agree that it's a chunky boy. I'd absolutely get a Steam Deck Lite if Valve were ever to come out with one, even if it had weaker performance than the original.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Idk I picked it up and personally I felt the complete opposite. Everyone says its so massive and huge, I expected this massive bulky handheld but sadly its the opposite. Its big yeah but not really controller sized, my hands are too big for it so I'll just stick to the steam controller (until the new one releases)

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Ain't got those amazing Nintendo games though. Glhf finding a Mario Cart replacement that is actually as good.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Ain't got those amazing Nintendo games though. Glhf finding a Mario Cart replacement that is actually as good.

    This is not entirely true. Depending on the stance of the person regarding piracy. You can definitely play Mario Kart on the Steam Deck. Emulations for PS1 PS2, Switch 1 exist (there are more but these I know on the top of my head).

    The Steam Deck can play nearly all Switch 1 titles through emulation. Yes, developers were taken down but the emulators do still work perfectly fine (I’m saying this as Steam Deck owner and using Emulators myself).

    EDIT; noticed we are in the same instance. Now I’m curious whether you were serious or it was sarcasm…

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    It might be, but if you care about the newest games, you either stick with the Switch 2, wait for a SD 2 or look elsewhere... The SD is getting closer to the Switch 1 state where modern games start to look more blurry, and if you want a hybrid device... Well, it is gonna show more.

    Also for some stupid reasons SD availability sucks in several countries, like Mexico.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Most of "the newest games" are well within the spec of the Steam Deck. Of the 4 non-exclusive games nominated for GOTY at the Keighleys, they'll all run on it just fine. Some of the biggest games of the year end up being the likes of Peak, Schedule I, or Megabonk, and not only are those games only available on PC (at least for a while), but they're not even pushing the spec of the Steam Deck to its limit. With RAM pricing issues going on right now, high end studios are likely going to target a lower spec. And the companies that can afford to make a game that hits that higher spec are few and far between anyway, compared to the AA and indie studios that made most of the best games of the past few years.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    With RAM pricing issues going on right now, high end studios are likely going to target a lower spec.

    That is quite a positive thought that I would truly want to become real, let's just wait and see I guess, that doesn't change the fact that SD 2 is imminent though (I know that is obvious).

    What about hybrid gaming? I don't think anyone can agree that SD is better than the Switch 2 or any other handheld device in 2025 regarding that... Perhaps only in certain cases as locked awful framerate (for the Switch 2).

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    All of new gaming hardware is decidedly less imminent now that this pricing nonsense is going on. Even if the tech exists, no one thinks they can sell at what they'd have to charge for it. It's going to be a rough near term future for gaming hardware before it eventually levels out. Reports are that consoles planned for 2027 are now looking like they'll be pushed back.

    I'm not super used to calling that "hybrid gaming", but my wife seems to have no problem playing cozy games on the Steam Deck, almost exclusively on the TV when I didn't take it with me on the go. And we're once again back to the best games and the best graphics not being all that correlated. The other part is that even if a random gamer has a Steam Deck, it's unlikely to be their only gaming PC, and if they want the power to produce that larger image at better frame rates at home, they'll play on that other PC, and that game will run its best there. On Switch 2, that one device is your only option no matter what. That means that if you want to play one of those beefier titles from the Switch 1, they're not going to run at better settings ever unless the developer explicitly upgrades them; even then, there's often the Switch tax compared to buying the same game on PC.

    I'm not trying to talk you down from a Switch 2 if that's your preference, but if someone's asking me for a recommendation for a gaming handheld, the Steam Deck is going to be what I tell them until I rule it out due to some other need. I definitely wouldn't start with a Switch 2. The Deck just hits a compelling price with a good software experience and, perhaps most importantly, a library that dwarfs what Nintendo could ever hope to match by following the traditional console model.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    From what I’ve heard, Expedition 33 runs like hot garbage. Even if you use something like Lossless Frames to use AI generated frames to fill in gaps and run at super low settings.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    I played it all on desktop, but it looks like it got an update a month ago and is now Deck verified. Friends of mine played it on Deck before that and didn't mention any complaints, but I wasn't fishing for them either.

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    Also even for people who want they can just get a gaming handheld and then gain access to a bunch of games which rarely cost $80 even when they're brand new. Buying a Switch 2 just isn't a financially sensible decision for anyone regardless of how much money you have in your bank account

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I'd argue it is financially sensible if you want one. Current price may be the lowest it's ever been, with increasing prices for RAM and storage. There's only so much stock they have bought previously.

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (7 children)
    1. AIn't nobody got no money.

    2. It's a Switch, but they added a "2"

    3. $80 for Mario Kart? At that price, we've got Mario Kart at home.

    In all seriousness, the Nintendo Wii was REVOLUTIONARY when it came out. It was gangbusters when it released. It was $249, which is about $400 in today's money, but for a completely original and amazing new system. The Wii U wasn't exactly as revolutionary. It was a controller with a screen that you couldn't take with you. It was a flop.

    The Switch was a modern equivalent of the Wii. It was new. It was different. It was a mobile gaming console.

    The Switch 2 IS THE SWITCH. There is nothing new about it to the everyday consumer mom and dad. There are no cool new features. No cool new games. It doesn't justify itself or the cost to the sticky fingered kid next door who is content with Minecraft on the original Switch. Nintendo did what an American company led by shareholders would do and continued to do more of the same and will likely blame the consumer.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Mario-Kart-at-home by the way: supertuxkart.net
    Buy now for $0 and get Rocket-League-at-home for free on top!
    (It's one of the game modes in SuperTuxKart. 🙃)

    But yeah, $80 is kind of wild, even just because it's fundamentally still a cart game. You pretty much need a group to regularly play it with, otherwise you won't get your money's worth out of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I've seen this evolve over the years. Time to give it a shot.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I actually reinstalled it myself after writing that comment. 😅

    I only really started to fully appreciate it, when I learned that drifting gives you a boost. So, if you're going around curves, you pretty much always want to drift, which then kicks your speed up once you stop drifting. Maintaining a higher speed than your car normally goes, is vital for beating the harder difficulties.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The biggest issue is the price. I remember a time when even the poorest kid in class had a Nintendo because it was cheap.

    The last cheap Nintendo was the 2DS over a decade ago. Most parents are looking for cheap hardware with entertainment and there isn’t anything which comes close to it.

    Even the switch lite is the same price as the PS3 bundle back in the day. And it came with 2 real controllers and a game.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    I was a Nintendo kid growing up, so I'm biased. But I can't even defend them anymore. Their uncompetitive prices and anti-consumer practices are completely out-of-touch. I hope they either start listening to their fans, or go away and allow their games to be sold on other platforms...

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't buy it because fuck Nintendo. They treat their customers with such disrespect and disdain, a company that's only bring held together by nostalgia alone. They've gotten into a cycle of seeing just how much money they can get while putting in no effort.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago*

    I mean, what is even there to play that you can't play on Switch 1?
    New Mario Kart? Donkey Kong whatever?
    I'm sure they're good games, I just don't see someone who already owns a Switch buying a whole new system just for them

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Nintendo shot themselves in the foot by aggressively going after the modding and archival communities.

    They will never get another cent of my money and I own over a dozen Nintendo consoles.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I own or owned every one of their consoles other than the Wii (though can play the games on the wii u). No more, between their pricing (especially on recycled content), wastefullness (all that excess plastic for a case that holds a tiny cart because a small box makes their prices even harder to stomach), and legal bs (going after modders, emulators, and the used game market via anti-piracy bricking depending on what the previous owner of the game did), fuck them.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    Hardly any exclusives. Hardware is more and more meh with every release. We broke. Steam and GoG are so convenient I don't even think about it. Nintendo will die a patent troll death.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Three reasons: 1) It's too bloody expensive. 2) Most people are scared to spend money right now. 3) The USA as a global superpower, is morphing into something decidedly more sinister.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)
    1. The USA as a global superpower, is morphing into something decidedly more sinister.

    Nintendo is a Japanese company…

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Personally, I prefer not to be Nintendo because of Nintendo’s behavior, but the price is why they still struggle to sell these.

    They sold a ton right out of the gate. Everyone that really wanted one already got one. After that, they need parents and grandparents to get them for the kids and that isn’t going to happen as much.

    Nintendo was basically a “toy”. You could, for the most part, safely buy a Nintendo console for your kids at a somewhat reasonable price. (I know the OG consoles were a bit pricey).

    You could buy your kid a handheld console for ~$200 or less. The Switch 1 was $300, but you could still get your kid a Lite for $200.

    Now, the only option is a $450 Switch 2.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago*

    Switch 2 desperately needs a TV-only version. I imagine the manufacturing cost would be drastically lower.

    No dock, no joycons, no battery, no LCD.

    Just a console, power supply, controller and HDMI cord.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I’ve been having a fantastic time with mine. Kirby Air Riders is an excellent sequel to one of my favorite childhood games. Cyberpunk went on an accidental super sale and I was able to get the complete edition for $17 USD. Fortnite doesn’t run like dogshit anymore. The console feels more sturdy and premium compared to Switch 1. An extra charging port on the top makes extended tabletop play possible now.

    However I’ll always welcome headlines like this because the more Nintendo struggles, the better they get. Wii Sports was incredible and everyone had it. Switch 2 Welcome Tour should have never been a paid game and none of my S2 friends own it.

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