From their repo:

Plasma Login

Plasma Login provides a display manager for KDE Plasma, forked from SDDM and with an new frontend providing a greeter, wallpaper plugin integration and System Settings module (KCM).

What we want

  • Great out-of-box experience in multi-monitor and high DPI and HDR
  • Keyboard layout switching
  • Virtual keyboards
  • Easy Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese (CJK) input
  • Screen readers for blind people (which then means volume control)
  • Remote (VNC/RDP) support from startup
  • Deeper Plasma integration including:
    • Display and keyboard brightness control
    • Full power management
    • Pairing trusted bluetooth devices
    • Login to known Wi-Fi for remote LDAP

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[–] 53 points 10 months ago

Very cool. I’m consistently impressed by the KDE devs.

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  • [–] 129 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    No AI? Are they allowed to do that? Are you sure?

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  • [–] 125 points 10 months ago (1 child)
    • Types in username and password

    "Perfect! You are now logged into your computer. Enjoy your desktop!"

    • Nothing happens. Try to log in again

    "You're absolutely right, I failed to log you in while claiming you had actually logged in. Good catch! I'll log you into your system now. Have fun!"

    • Nothing happens
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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Feature request: AI password validator , because who needs central directory anyway

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Letting AI decide if I entered the correct password is so much better than actually storing the passwords in an encrypted keychain (which can be hacked!!!). AI is revolutionizing security. This is the way of the future. /s

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    looking forward to it, sddm is the only thing I have left that depends on xorg directly

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Fedora will be the first distro? Adopting it even faster than KDE Neon, a distro made by KDE itself?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    KDE neon is really only a development platform, and it is barely maintained.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah, TIL. I just figured it was the KDE-est general-purpose distro.

    But still, shouldn't it at least have a development version of Plasma Login Manager sooner than any others, for testing?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    it probably does, but it isnt considered a 'real' distro since it isnt suitable for non-development use (nor is it meant to be). its a very common misconception about KDE neon to think that since it's the KDE branded one it must be the best general-purpose KDE distro.

    thats why they are making KDE Linux. KDE Linux is going to be what a lot of people mistakenly take neon to be while also fulfilling the role of 'development standard implementation/example implementation for distros to reference' much better.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Did you look this up?

    What do you think is more likely - that KDE Neon does not have a testing version of Plasma Login Manager or that a sensationalistic news headline is not giving you a 100% accurate and complete understanding?

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Thank god SDDM is a nightmare

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Things I've run into:

    1. Out of the box, the lock screen comes on after screen unblanking - late enough that when things aren't snappy you can briefly catch the desktop without reauthing.

    2. Sometimes randomly after wake, keyboard input is not recognized in the password field at all. Except for Esc, which in this state appears to crash-restart it and makes it work again

    3. With a multi-monitor setup, I have still not been able to properly force the primary monitor. Is an issue because things like notifications and the login input will only show up on a usually turned off projector. This one might be PEBCAK.

    I have issues 1 and 3 with XFCE on lightdm, too, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I have the same multiple monitor issue. I have an ultrawide on display port, and a smaller monitor on hdmi. Boot messages default to the ultrawide but the login prompt also defaults to the secondary display. Minor thing I know, but irritating.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The lock screen and display manager are two separate pieces of software. The display manager runs before a user profile has been selected for graphical login, so it does not have access to your user desktop/display settings

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Supposedly both the display manager and greeters have system-wide configuration for this purpose, however. And the issue with notifications and DE overlays are present post login, too.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I've definitely noticed #2 and #3, very annoying! They should both show the same text input (not a straight display clone since they might be different resolutions/ratios)

    On a side note, I've noticed some Linux installers don't handle multiple screens well or high resolutions. I think Calamares is a big offender here, it doesn't clone to every display so I end up stuck trying to use my sideways monitor. Or on a 4k screen everything is tiny for no reason, it should just default zoom on high resolution.

    I much prefer the installers that are just a regular window on a normal desktop, where you can move it, maximize it, easily access the DPI settings and other system settings, browse the internet while it's installing...

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 10 months ago

    My biggest issue: no support for rdp

    Pet peeve: In immutable distros you can't change the background image... and I happen to strongly dislike Aurora's artwork. I run Aurora on my work laptop, and my login screen looks like some kind of a bizarre childish acid trip. Embarrassing to say the least, but the distro itself is top notch.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It always chooses the default highest resolution, (which may not work on some devices with faulty EDID), does not respect the Wayland/X11 choice, has a long pause when going from login screen to desktop and does not support 24h clocks.

    Just to name a few.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The first one I think is a fundamental limitation in that display preferences by default is per-user. Maybe this makes it work for you? https://feddit.online/post/1350756/comment/6636228

    The 24h clock might be similar - check your system-wide locale.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    The first one I think is a fundamental limitation in that display preferences by default is per-user. Maybe this makes it work for you? https://feddit.online/post/1350756/comment/6636228

    I don't really have this problem anymore since I got rid of my projector which advertised a resolution it couldn't handle. Had to login into the void since the login screen never showed up. Looks like this might be fixable nowadays.

    The 24h clock might be similar - check your system-wide locale.

    The locale is set to American English but the time format is set to German, something the lock screen can handle but SDDM cannot. I also tried applying the Plasma settings to SDDM a few times but it doesn't really change anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It supports 24h clocks all right and always has (I’ve used Plasma with SDDM for years and never have had issues with the clock!), but as you said in a different thread, it may have problems in separating the common locale from the time format.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    meanwhile I just want to go back to blank/black lockscreen with no visual cues and you just type the password and nothing happens of it's wrong, but I've been quite sick of trying to look up how to do forgotten things I had on older systems only to get AI slop guides that ramble on with a hallucinated life story and either never getting to the point of just not working.

    I wish no visuals could just be a setting on all distros

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Damn. I wonder when this trickles down to CachyOS and Bazzite.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Quickly in Bazzite, not at all in Cachy since that's based on Arch.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

    But you can choose your login manager on Arch, too.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    And yet, Fedora changing their default login manager won't affect Arch.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    ??? are you being serious? obviously fedorah isnt arch.

    anyway, Cachy will have it the second KDE adds it to the plasma / kde-applications packages.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Yep, I'm being serious, Fedora's decisions don't affect Arch.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    He's not talking about fedora, he didn't ask about if fedora's changes would make it into cachy os but about the timeframe on how quickly the plasma login manager being a default for the plasma desktop environment on cachy os. Talk about whiffing right over the head, I think it must've been in orbit.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago*

    Sure, that was cleared up a couple hours ago when OP clarified as such. Since texture apparently wanted to argue (given his many comments posted long after the clarification), I thought I'd play along for him.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I guess that person didn't know they could set it up themselves. Maybe they meant that it's installed and configured automatically on new installs.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    What kind of argument is that?

    It's already in AUR, you can install it right now if you want.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Right, but since it isn’t based on Fedora, which this post is about, what Fedora is doing has no bearing on what CachyOS uses as its defaults.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Except they responded to a post talking about an Arch-based distro, so Fedora isn't relevant here.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "Trickles down" sure implies Fedora here, especially when Bazzite is mentioned.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Easy Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese (CJK) input

    This reminds me of what a pain in the it was for me to get an IME working. I may not be smart, but even accounting for that, it was unnecessarily complicated.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Anyone here with XFCE and lightdm?????

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    No custom login theme now, or no theming ever? I will likely want to change a few things

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    “The move replaces SDDM but means giving up on custom login themes.”

    — It's FOSS

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    This made me aware of this option in the first place. Just swapped it in on my desktop and it already feels less jank.

    Great decision on Fedoras part. My laptop is running KDE fedora so can't wait til it gets this update.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    If you update from 43 to 44, will it still remove SDDM? Or does it get stuck as part of your user config?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    No built-in VPN support for remote desktop? 😢

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Is this a joke or am I missing something? Why would you want that from a login manager? To me a VPN is either system-wide or per-user

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children)

    RDP over VPN. My former workplace had a solution that hacked itself before the Windows' login manager for remote logins. Would make Linux more viable for businesses imo.

    And yes, it's partly a critique; they put all those usecases and protocols in one tool (i'm a sucker for minimism and modularity) but missed this aspect?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm still not sure I understand why you can't start the RDP and VPN daemons via systemd or other init?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So you say there's no need for RDP in a display manager (login screen)?

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Remote (VNC/RDP) support from startup

    That is huge.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    My father used startx and his father before him, so I reckon I'll use startx too (aliased to systemctl start sddm)

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I'm a very recent convert, what's the upgrade process like on Fedora? Is it just like any other system update or is it better to do a fresh install

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    No need for a fresh install. About every 6 months, you will receive a notification about a new system version available, and if you're ready to upgrade, just click it and follow the graphical process. I recommend doing the upgrade when you're not doing any important work, but I never had issues with it. If you think 6 months are too fast, fedora also supports yearly upgrades, skipping a system version.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I picked Fedora in part for the 6 month cycle so I'm on board!

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah I'm not a huge fan of rolling updates, just seems more likely for things to break.

    Kubuntu has been pretty good for me, but I think Fedora generally has much newer packages even though it isn't rolling. It might be a good compromise for me. Or maybe Manjaro.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    totally fine in my experience, and I 'dumb guy' my way through the whole thing.

    my primary workstation system started with Fedora 28 > 43 - persisting through many hardware swaps and all sorts - though that's with the gnome desktop.

    I'd imagine you could conduct full system upgrades via Discover on KDE too.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    So it's just like any other update through Discover? Or do I need to download the new release ISO and update it old school?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    in-place upgrades are fine for just about any contemporary, mainstream Linux distro. You may find this experience to be more robust than on windows.

    I believe you can also upgrade via separate installation media, but you won't find yourself needing to.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I upgraded from 42 to 43 through discover. I think that and terminal are the recommended methods, according to the docs. If you do it with ISO it writes over the root partition and keeps all other partitions and volumes.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    hopefully it doesn't have the full kde ecosystem as deps and can be used standalone.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    I like how the Fedora KDE spin is becoming one of the flagship distros for KDE in general.

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