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[–] 56 points 10 months ago (1 child)

Calling it a 'dumpster fire' is a bit dramatic.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    I think I'd happily describe the multiple clipboard situation in Linux as a dumpster fire...

    It's awkwardly 'solved' by clipboard managers merging clipboards but it's still wonky. Even for somebody who has been using Linux as a desktop for many years I occasionally find myself annoyed by it.

    At this point I think I'd prefer "copy" to be an affirmative action rather than something that is done automatically. It makes pasting over existing text much easier.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I do too but it's usually unintentional

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    HOW? In what manner of mouse using are you accidently clicking the paste button?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Having a mouse button being over-sensitive or being used to another middle clic behavior like windows' autoscroll toggle will tend to do that. Having a fullscreen software using MMB for something else like panning and failling to fully capture the mouse on the current screen in a multi-monitor setup also.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Two finger scroll on my touchpad and another finger lightly presses it turning it into a middle click paste

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I can live with this one, as long as they let us pick the function

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Damn, the amount of comments that didn't even read the full... title... Is reading comprehension getting this bad? Middle clic paste isn't getting removed, just being opt-in rather than opt-out, yet a bunch of commenters are up in arms "time to ditch firefox"...

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Half of them probably will. People are like that.

    Many times, I have seen people switch tech because something is missing or has changed…and they switch to something that also does not have it. Boggles my mind.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Historically speaking, the gnome devs have made “disabled by default” the first step towards removing a feature everyone uses.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Historically speaking, from what I'm reading is that gnome devs have a history of bad decisions birthing forks here and there "fine, I'll do my own gnome, with blackjack and hookers" too, so I don't know how much weigh such a decision can have to be perfectly honnest.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Eh, gnome is the default on some of the biggest distributions in a time when apparently lots of people are trying Linux for the first time so there’s an outsized opportunity for their usual shenanigans to have consequences for the rest of us.

    Which has happened a bunch of times in the past.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Urgh, I use it at least 300 times a day.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Same, and I have done so since the mid-90's. It's muscle memory at this point.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    From the other thread it seems it'll just be disabled by default, and enableable if wanted

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    never even knew that was a thing until a couple months ago, found it by accident. for 15-ish years I've just used a programmable mouse button for paste. still don't know what i should do with that button now since middle click can paste.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Bravo Michael for continuing to farm bullshit drama with clickbait headlines on the most inane topics like "how my DE handles pasting text"

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I never used it, but TIL......

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    For me it'his is one of the most useful features of Linux desktops and one of the main reasons I feel lost when I have to use Windows.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    You won't lose it. They'll just turn it off by default for new users.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    And soon new users will never know, as each great Linux feature becomes hidden until the default desktop is a awful as all the rest.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    As much as new windows users don't know about ctrl+c, alt+f4, win+d... Those who don't care won't learn, those who do, will, it's as simple as that.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    They won't though, because they will never know.

    I am not a fan of dumbing everything down and hiding all the good stuff.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Is there a big popup at startup with windows that I somehow missed with all the shortcuts? Or did linux became sudenly less documented overnight? Why wouldn't they know? Why do you think that users magicaly knows about shortcuts almost never referenced anywhere on windows but wouldn't know about one sparking a debate among linux users with a toggle in settings directly referencing it?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    It's one of those things you either use constantly or not at all. Activating the feature intentionally and having it fail is irritating, but activating it unintentionally because you didn't know it was there could have serious consequences. I mean, I can even come up with cases where the wrong information being C&P'd accidentally into the wrong Web form could result in someone ending up dead.

    Given the difference in stakes, "off by default" makes sense for this feature. I wouldn't call it a dumpster fire, though—more like a relic of a more innocent time.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm just lost why it's so hard baked into x11 instead of configurable. I don't want middle click to paste my selections. Yes I know x11 has some history and that it's a feature, I do not like that feature. I will never like that feature. I want to copy manually and paste manually.

    I don't want my selections to be captured in a buffer.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ill be very happy when that day comes. Its one of the first things I need to search for how to disable every time i setup a new machine. To me, middle click has always been panning a canvas, and rectangle selecting text in editors. Its always super jarring having it paste text on new gnome machines

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    wait where does that get overridden? its going back a few years but when I was trying blender I used middle click paste and I don't think I had any issues with it affecting whatever middle click does by default in blender

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Middle click paste sucks, I keep accideE&4nry!NAnY6Yfntally activating it in the middle of my documents which is bad when I have st6SFMzZkTR7!b^yuff like passwords copied and don't notice, so good

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    KDE and Gnome already have toggles for it, though Gnome's is in gnome-tweaks because Gnome hates exposed settings.

    I'd support unifying behavior between toolkits and apps to provide users with a single point to set their preference, but I use this feature a hundred times a day. I'd also like it to remain the default; *nix desktops should have their own flavor instead of just copying Mac OS or Windows, and middle-click paste has been a part of that flavor for 40 years.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Middle click paste is extremely useful. Why would anyone want to disable it?

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    There are programs that use the middle mouse button but also support pasting from clipboard. I've been annoyed at work plenty of times when I'm trying to translate across a canvas but accidentally paste a random node of text. Bonus points if it contains some kind of password that was still in your clipboard. I don't think it's a good default.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    It can conflict with some programs. A lot of modern design programs make use of middle click drags to move around a canvas.

    That caused problems for me and it took me days to realize it was middle click paste causing the issue of all these random segments of text appearing all over the canvas.

    It was also annoying to disable. I was using Chromium at the time and you simply cannot disable it, even by disabling it in Gnome. I had to use Firefox exclusively when using that design program since at least Firefox has a hidden option to disable it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    My mouse's middle click is easy to hit accidentally, and so I often paste stuff on accident, I just wish I could disable it. The "select to copy" doesn't work for me either, since I often absentmindedly select things while I'm reading.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    As a software developer working closely with ux and designers I am forced to use tools such as figma and Miro. O can not tell how many times I have pasted sensitive shit into those work places because design software is mouse driven.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If you use a ThinkPad that has its track point designed around the assumption that middle click is used for scroll and only scroll, it will send you crazy. Thankfully KDE can disable it in most apps through a setting, but some apps keep on doing it anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    As someone who likes the middle-click to do mouse relative scrolling, I would be OK with this being configurable on a per-application level.

    I don't think it really makes sense as a "standard". Blender will never use middle click as paste, for example.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Middle click to paste the X PRIMARY selection predates Blender.

    Yes, I do know how old Blender is.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Right,

    But just because it was a standard doesn't mean it made sense as a standard. So when 99% of applications don't care to adopt the standard, it really only makes sense to let the application space decide what to do with middle click and to fall back on the user's system configuration if it's unspecified (which can still be paste if you want it to be imo)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If 99% of applications that run on *nix desktops didn't want to accept middle-click to paste text where that's an operation that makes sense, I would agree with you. I do not believe that to be the case.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Not having that in Windows is jarring.

    I don't use GNOME or Firefox though so maybe who cares.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    No, secondary clipboard Ctrl+v paste is a Windowsism

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I like using this on my desktop, but it's way too easy to trigger this by accident on a laptop, so I disable it on there.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    And the keyboard shortcut for primary clipboard paste (Shift+Ins) is already gone from gtk.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    As a newgen (derogatory), Id appreciate this. Middle click has always been auto-scroll to me and it takes a good search to figure out how to disable it on a new installation.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    as someone new to linux i don't get it. if you have your hand in ctrl-c anyway ctrl-v is right there?

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's like a second, separate clipboard. You "copy" text to this one by simply selecting it, then "paste" from it by middle-clicking.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If that's not optional, I'd have to leave Firefox for something else.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I am used to using middle mouse button to move canvas in both Krita and Inkscape. I know that it would be a silly default to just use it for movement, but countless missclicks in LibreOffice are reason good enough to be at least ocassionally frustrated over the default.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    Well, I guess I'd have to use a fork of... oh, wait a second, I've already been alternating between Pale Moon, SeaMonkey, LibreWolf, and Firefox along with Tor and Links.

    I just would be using less of Firefox and more of LibreWolf. And when Ladybird is ready, I'll use that and dillo.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Except Ladybird is ran by a right wing guy 😞

    I'd suggest looking at Servo or old KHTML if you want a true alternative

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I'm still looking forward to a new browser engine, separate from Chrome and Gecko. The politics can be debated later, but we need something to break the Google stranglehold. Let's just be real about this, KHTML, Dillo, Links, and Goanna aren't doing it. Opera & Vivaldi aren't going to resurrect Presto.

    So what then, other than Ladybird?

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    Waterfox is Gecko. I still agree with the comment that mentions it is written by a right-winger. I rather root for Servo, especially because Ladybird is just another web engine written C. Memory safety vulnerabilities are the largest represented class of vulnerabilities discovered every year. Servo being fully written in Rust is a good thing for its security, as long as they also design a strong sandboxing/isolation strategy on all OS platforms.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You do you, that's fine with me. Waterfox is still an option for other people to consider when they're looking for an alternative. Like I would consider any new option that presents itself to me: I'm not married to my browser, at least in my eyes it is merely a tool :)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I tried Waterfox and didnt really get it? Why use it over for example Zen or Librewolf? It just seemed way to close to Firefox but like with a couple of preinstalled extensions. Idk, just wasn't for me.

    My browser(s) is just a tool. I use many browsers for different things. I wish there were good alternatives to the main browser engines (Gecko, Blink, WebKit), but I am fine with just using good derivative browsers like Librewolf, Mullvad, Cromite, etc.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago

    Yes, please. Lets dumb down userinterfaces more. I think the right mouse button should go away next, people can't rightclick on touchscreens anyway, and many are confused by the extra button.

    /s. so many /s. thank good it's open source, if they ever remove the setting to turn it back on, i can just put the code back in.

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    [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    It's odd to call middle click to paste a dumpster fire when the Windows console will use a modal behaviour for right click - by default it's paste (and there are certain situations where you can only reliably paste with right click), unless you have text selected, then copy that text (and deselect it). By comparison middle click is pretty damn predictable.

    I wonder however how much of the complaints come from laptop users with oversized touchpads who are frustrated by accidental clicks while typing. But it'd be odd that only middle click is singled out then.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    This has been such a weird annoyance for me. Since I primarily use a Thinkpad with a track point, I would find myself middle click pasting randomly while scrolling through code or whatever

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Isn’t it just a setting to disable it?

    I really like it, and hate when I need ctrl c or right click for context menu. Especially when in some cases depending on where you right click the highlighting changes and you need to reselect the text.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't been able to find a global setting. Afaik, it's baked into x11? The only way I saw to disable it on forums was totally disabling middle click, which I do not want either

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    I was able to disable it on KDE somewhere in settings (would try to find it rn but I'm not home), but that was pre-6.1 so I hope it isn't back. For me it was mainly an issue when trying to pane a view, which depending on the game i played before I'll try to do by holding middle mouse button. Great fun pasting a random image onto the retro miro board on accident...

    Not sure about other DEs, but it seems likely it's possible somehow.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't change the fact that it's a really weird default. How many users actually want this on, vs don't care/don't want it?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    If you don't know the answer to the question, than the first statement isn't a fact.

    I guess in the current wave of users abandoning windows, its a new feature that is unexpected, and could cause issues for them.

    Maybe when I started playing in linux in the late 90s it was a wierd feature to me. Although, I'm not even sure I had a middle mouse wheel then. But it very quickly became second nature, once I discovered it and I hated when I had to use a windows machine and lost access to it.

    Turning off every useful feature that linux has over windows, and making them all opt-in just to make it more windows like seems like a backwards step.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I understand and kinda agree with the reasoning, even though I love middle click paste. At least they're saying there'll be a setting to re enable it, the first thing I do on a fresh install is install Tweaks/Refine to rebind caps lock as ctrl so clicking an extra toggle wouldn't be the biggest issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It seems like it was just one wacky Gnome dev. Not, as I was too quick to believe, a Mozilla thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It really is such bullshit.

    Did they also disable ctrl+q to immediately quit Firefox? Right next to ctrl+w, which people use all the time?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Middle click paste is one of the best things about linux, that most compelled me to stay.

    Blows my mind that there's such damaging enshitifying ideas out there like getting rid of middle click paste.

    Losing middle click paste would make the interface incalculably worse.

    ... Is it an idea from the competition, to sabotage?

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