Why is rule 6 specifically targeted at US politics?

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[–] 193 points 10 months ago (13 children)

If you have used Reddit for some time, you'll have noticed an interesting trend: any large space where general content is allowed to be posted and which does not prohibit US politics, will generally become saturated with US politics.

This happens to some degree on Lemmy as well. It's because Americans are the largest national demographic group on the English-speaking portion of the Internet, and because American politics in general is extreme and garners a lot of attention from others. So if talking about it is allowed, it will usually become all that anyone ever wants to talk about, or at least it will appear that way in a space where popularity determines visibility.

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Thanks. That makes a lot of sense

    I haven't used Reddit for years but I could see what you mean from Lemmy too. I just hadn't noticed such a specific targeting of limitations in rules before.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Now that I think about it, I honestly think that Lemmy has suffered this more than Reddit. Reddit has a lot of various non-politics related content but Lemmy seems to be filled a lot more with political posts. I get that many people find that content interesting, but after a while, one tires of it.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think we'd all like to go back to the days when politics was only occasionally interesting.

    Shit, I want news to be boring again. I remember when there was just thirty minutes of national news power day from 6 to 6:30. Then local news, and then The Muppet Show to put the world back into proper context.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Shit, I want news to be boring again.

    The news has been full of wars, drugs, and domestic unrest since at least the 60s. In the 70s we added rank political malfeasance and conspiracy theories and here in the 2020s its more of the same. The big difference makers are the 24 hours news cycle and the rise of social media.

    If you limit your social media time and stay off aggregators like Lemmy and Reddit you'll find that it's possible to (mostly) go back to the way it was.

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  • [–] [M] 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Enough people have given good answers to this question, so I won't bother repeating their explanations. It came about after a trial following the last US election and a community discussion led to the trial becoming permanent.

    I'm going to leave this post up as it's not actually about US politics, but about how the asklemmy community wants it to work.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    I wish more communities implemented this rule.

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Probably because we want somewhere that isn't flooded with whatever detestable thing trump last did or said. I've been meaning to put out feelers about revising the rule to "No current/recent politics", but I've never gotten around to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah, that's completely reasonable. Is it worth updating the community about page for the rule to add a line or two about why the rule exists?

    Maybe something like:

    """ The motivation here is to avoid the channel becoming a stream of questions about US politics and to provide a space to avoid US politics. """

    It might save the mods time in the future if it comes up again.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    The text in the about page for rule six currently shows some alternatives for posting questions for US politics, if the rule was extended to current / recent politics, does anyone know good channels for questions about global politics?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That would make more sense imo. Even though American politics have a long reach it seems a bit strange to limit it to that

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's just really fucking annoying. In England 50% of news articles is about US. We just want local or even other countries

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Most discussion about US politics isn't discussion sadly so it just turns into either arguing or a circle jerk of hating a specific person/place/thing. Most "news" isn't even news here, it's opinion segments. I agree it should stay in its own section to an extent since people can't tell the difference of what's news and what's opinion when reacting.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    Because its everywhere all the time. And I get it, its interesting and never ending and affects the whole world and theres a bottomless well of drama and comedy and horror especially with orange man in charge, but its everywhere all the time.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago

    Because Lemmy is already full with murican politics.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    A while ago, we made rule 6 a temporary rule that was initially meant to last until the US elections. Later, through a community vote, it was made permanent.

    Community vote: https://lemmy.world/post/23032034

    Temporary rule 6 announcement: https://programming.dev/post/21409464

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Hol' up, does that mean Venezuelan politics is mighty fine?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Yes. The rule is "no US politics", not "no politics".

    As long as discussion of Venezuelan politics does not turn into or knowingly cause US political discussion, it will be fine. Let's be honest here though. Given the current events, it will surely turn into one.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I guess this sub doesn't want to smell as bad as the rest of the "international subs" that are flooded with US crap.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago

    Any place that permits American politics quickly becomes only American politics.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago*

    Sorry as an American, I can't read.

    Anyways. Something something Venezuela US Invasion something something US Middle East Oil something something US something Donald Trump

    (I mean seriously tho, there's been like 5 rule violators and it gets kinda annoying)

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    To stop the stupid posts after they voted for fascism, instead of a female president, again.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    If you had to guess, what would you say is the reason?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I don't want to guess, this is why I ask

    But I am curious to hear why it is specific to US politics. The world is a big place and although politics have a long reach I find it strange that it is targeted at specifically the US.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    One thing I think other's haven't mentioned yet: US internal politics specifically make headlines worldwide, certainly in the western world. That's not true of German, Swedish, Israeli, or any other country's internal politics. This is probably because USA is arguably the only real remaining superpower, or something close to it. Regardless of the reason, US politics are uniquely loud and everpresent, which I guess is why they were singled out.

    Edit: I once saw a subreddit's mod post explaining this better than I did, but I can't find it at the moment.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago

    But I am curious to hear why it is specific to US politics.

    You've already gotten the biggest reason but another one to consider is that there are other large countries trying to force the world to become multi-polar. Those countries spend a LOT of time, effort, and money making sure that every possible negative aspect of American politics and culture is brought to light as much as possible.

    The Russian troll farms and China's 50 cent army don't sleep. They're always active and always looking to push negative coverage of the United States. They simply won't allow a focus shift because they are paid to keep that spotlight shining bright at all times.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    but its fine for politics. world to shill for israel subtely

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    [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Breaks Rule 6 by asking why rule 6 exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Why is there a rule against US politics? Like are people asking about US politics too much or what?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I assume it's to preserve the community's identity. The fear might be that if US politics was allowed, then questions on that topic would oversaturate the questions in the community, turning it into a de facto politics discussion community.

    The reason why it's specifically US politics is then one about whether politics from other countries would lead to the same effect. Which the mods probably deemed unlikely.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago

    They have guns.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago

    Probably because most of these spaces exist to push whatever narrative the admins and mods who own it want, and open conversation about these topics might result in some people learning about the world around them and making their own decisions.

    Notice how many accounts appeared overnight from the Venezuela shit pretending a war was inevitable? Those are the accounts these spaces exist to enable.

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