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[–] 113 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Missing the LLM developer with billions of tokens to burn.

  • "Claude, please solve this puzzle so my Grandma can get her insulin"
  • if the LLM succeeds, solves in less than 10 seconds.
  • if it fails, star remains forever unsolved - "Impossible with current LLM, will try again with ChatGPT 8.0"
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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Missing the LLM developer with billions of tokens to burn.

    developer

    developer

    are they tho?

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Close. A script is readable and editable code. The LLM slop is "deep" so it's opaque and you can't really change the system prompt (you can jailbreak it).

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Script-kiddie is a derogatory term for a computer user who can't read or edit the code. Scripts might be useful to us, but they may as well be opaque to a script-kiddie.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Would you really claim that a script-kiddie won't alter a number or a string in some script?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    For my definition of script-kiddie, its not that they won't change something, they by definition cannot because they dont understand it.

    We may have different definitions here, but that is the one I am familiar with.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I'd say a script-kiddie can modify a script, but only if there's some resource that says 'change this part to do x'. They don't understand why that change does what it does, though, or how to troubleshoot if it doesn't actually do the thing.

    Signed: config file kiddie - I just do what youtube or forum denizens tell me to do until it works. Imagine there's script-kiddies out there that do something similar.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    there’s some resource that says ‘change this part to do x’.

    Arguably, this is just a different type of script.

    I think the real separation is that while you might seek out a few different resources, or try a few alternatives to solve a problem, a "script-kiddie" is likely stuck if the first result in Google doesn't solve the problem immediately.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago
    • Spends the first 90% of the competition developing specialized subagents and custom MCP servers to allocate the problems and most relevant information efficiently into the LLM's contexts.
    • All of his agents easily escape their own sandboxes and one accidentally configures itself into "delete-only mode".
    • "Codex, how the fuck do you not have access to your own documentation?"
    • Places 29th globally after one of his subsubagents finds a way to reconstruct the full solution set from filesystem metadata in the online judge VMs.
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    [–] 52 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Is the last image/name straight up from "Office Space" ?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I think the name is a bit wrong. Also I didn’t think the character was Indian.

    Unrelated, but if the guy is working IT support, is he really that great of a coder? Seems like if you were that good, you would have a different job.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The number of people who think IT and CS are interchangeable is too damn high.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Since getting married to a programmer I've learned that CS is not the same as IT. I'm still the family IT person, now I just sleep with a walking talking command line cheat sheet. She could write a program for anything but a KVM is black magic to her.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Yeah it bugs me too. The line gets even blurrier now that one of the latest models is to integrate devops with the dev team. And put developers on call to handle system generated alarms. That used to be the job of what we called a sysadmin, but as part of everything being “cloud” now, they figured they could save some money and make developers do IT work as well, call it devops, and then squeeze out a bunch of related IT roles.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    There is also a brand new "kid raised by their parents solely with the goal of working at google one day."

    They have memorized like 9000 problems for interviews and this was one of them.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago

    for the folks that have tried competitive programming, this is way too relatable

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  • [–] 73 points 10 months ago*

    I worked directly with the last one on the list. I got his laptop approved to install Microsoft Access, by submitting a formal request to IT security.

    I will share my first honest draft "justification" here:

    "This man can achieve miracles with nothing more than Excel and VBA. His true skills unleashed are exactly what all of our draconian IT policies are afraid of. I don't know what will happen, to any of us - after you approve this request. But i believe that standing in the way of his destiny is foolish futility, and I want him to remember me fondly when his full powers emerge."

    I replaced it with meaningless business speak bullshit, and cited a couple of uninterpretable but urgent business office priorities before I submitted the form.

    There's a such thing as too much honestly.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Tharg here. It's a compiler, not a transpiler.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    And as a kernel engineer I really don't do any golfing.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think they meant Vim-golfingor other code-golfing?

    Which...uh...yeah, I've been guilty of. Maybe not formally, but I've definitely made changes just to satisfy my private pride.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Is... Tharg unusual? Like, the rest are exaggerated for humor, but I've met more than one Tharg. Hell, at one point if I switched majors I'd be Tharg.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I'm the old bald guy. My self-imposed restriction is not taking ADHD meds.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    not taking adhd meds

    how do you do it?

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    The coding? In little bite-sized pieces. I follow the Unix philosophy of "make each program do one thing well". It's much less daunting to build it one piece at a time.

    I'm fortunate to have an employer who understands that the architectural work is done while I appear to be walking around doing nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Oh I remember years ago my project manager worried I was not at my desk typing and I had to explain to him that my brain was constantly thinking about the code. Even while on breaks, even at night, 24/7 essentially. It took time to convince him but thankfully my senior knew I wasnt bullshit ting because he was seeing my code. I did burn out after two years, obviously.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    yall get the chance to take adhd meds? what a paradise

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I wish I still had time for advent of code...

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    This feels a bit too real...

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    This is not true. Most of the competition are clueless nepo babies who win by default.

    The rest are people who have been programming embedded systems since they were 3 months old.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Imagine seeing your face in this picture.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The Chinese student thing gets a solid "shut the fuck up with your tired hypocritical stereotypes" from me (not directed towards you, Lemmy poster).

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    [–] 162 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    The chinese name just says "Common Generic Chinese name"

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  • [–] 83 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    Difference in pay scale between all of these people is maybe $20k, and "you" aren't even in the low end.

    Turns out just being able to show up at the office interview wearing khaki pants and making eye contact with your future boss counts for more than optimizing graph trees via psychic technomancy.

    Christ, that poor Intel engineer is probably out on the unemployment line right now

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Turns out just being able to show up at the office interview wearing khaki pants and making eye contact with your future boss counts for more than optimizing graph trees via psychic technomancy.

    Christ, that poor Intel engineer is probably out on the unemployment line right now

    As someone with a degree in CompSci I hate how true this is. I knew so many brilliant programmers during my course that I had constant imposter syndrome... and 5 years out some of the ones I once regarded as the most talented still live with their parents because they can't pass the turing test equivalent of an interview lol

    One person I knew in particular was so physically incapable of getting through a single conversation without whipping out some pretentious insult that he'd make both Gregory House and Sheldon Cooper look like sycophants by contrast, hahaha

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Intel implemented significant layoffs in 2025 as part of a major restructuring under new CEO Lip-Bu Tan, aiming to reduce its core workforce by about 25,000 (roughly 15-20%) by year-end to streamline operations and cut expenses

    Then you've got Kalshi... paying $110-140k, then working you to the bone on Christmas Eve.

    Like, you're better off as some schmick front end developer at a midcap company than a "top tier" developer at a code mill in Silicon Valley.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Tbh, I would hire none of the competition.

    Nobody wants crazies who think they are superstars.

    Any decent business wants dependable people who will follow the processes and work in a team. If you can't do that because you think you are above that you won't last long.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Any decent business wants dependable people who will follow the processes and work in a team.

    I mean, they want people who can do the job. And most businesses don't need a guy who can program fantastically complex solutions in obscure languages at a breakneck pace.

    They also don't want to pay above the "going rate", which is inevitably less than what the market actually demands.

    So while programming contests are fun, they don't do much to improve your pay scale. Much better to climb the management chain and lead programmers than excelling at the actual work. Then you get to take credit for whole teams and land an outsized bonus as a result.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Tbh, I've worked with self-professed "superstar programmers" so far. In every case their cockiness, ther "I'm always right" attitude and their inability to receive criticism or to adjust in any way to the team lead to major issues.

    These "superstar programmers" are much more likely to produce live bugs (because they don't listen to anyone, don't follow procedure like code reviews and stuff and after a time nobody wants to invest time into reviewing their code properly because it always ends in a fight). They are also really harmful to team cohesion. Their behavior usually ends with most of the team quitting unless they are fired before that happens.

    Programming is teamwork. It by definition needs to be unless you work alone. Someone who can't work well in a team is a bad programmer.


    We have a superstar programmer in our sister team. Both teams work on the same project but in different sections, but there's a core area where we overlap. That guy recently caused a massive 5h outage of our customer-facing website, which is our main access point for much of the business. We have customers in the order of 100 million that couldn't access the website.

    What had appened is that our superstar programmer worked in the middle of the night when nobody was online. He made a non-urgent but critical change and pushed to production without code review or testing by the QAs, because, you know, he's a superstar and he doesn't need to follow processes. Our process for a change like that would have been that he needs a code review from his team and from our team (since the change affects us as well), and then it would have to be tested by their and our QAs in the preview env before and on production after the push.

    There's around 20 domains for our website for different countries and different client companies. Our superstar only tested one of them after the push and that one was working, so he didn't check the rest. Turns out he made a simple typo and all other domains weren't accessible, until the rest of the team members came online at ~9 in the morning and noticed the massive outage. We then spent two hours trying to troubleshoot what exactly went wrong until someone found and debugged his merge request, because of course he didn't even inform anyone that he did the change. (He didn't even create a ticket for it, even though our processes require that.)

    Superstar programmers are great at contests but terrible workers.

    It's pretty much the same as why you wouldn't hire an artisan instagram bricklayer influencer to work on a block of flats.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is this the cast of Ocean's 7 or something?

    The lower six carry the team for most of the film. At the crucial moment, they're all straining to crack the highest security system known to man, and just as the team is about to get locked out, the first guy walks in and types in the password. "Oh yeah, I sent a phishing email to the CEO before we started. Execs are pretty stupid."

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