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I feel like if this was a specific character going "wait that's not normal lol" the joke would land better. But as it is the only frame of reference we have is one representing women and one representing men.
And it just all falls flat because women can have mental illnesses too? And yes men are forced to repress it more often but women often have their physical or mental health dismissed or ignored so it's not much better either way.
I'm trans so I'll never face a period but I can't imagine the agony of going through one in addition to a mental health crisis or other sickness. And it's not like women get "period days off" of work or school so you're just expected to push through it.
Now all together: Feeling bad and being sad are things you do not compete at
Why are you all bitching women aren't even real
Men will literally menstruate 24/7 instead of going to therapy
Fake news we also have 40k lore
In America therapy costs a lot of money and you get no guarantee you'll see someone competent.
Very true and I speak from experience. Still worth it to try, if you need help. I did eventually find one that helped me a lot.
So is the answer to give up or keep trying?
The answer is to fight for a healthcare system that covers all health (including mental) instead of trying to be the most effective funnel of money from the poor into the coffers of the rich.
Sadly, the people who are most lacking in mental health support are largely the ones who actively fight against such a structure (because propaganda works).
Tell me how we do that exactly? Just keep voting and hope that some kind of policy goes through and hopefully before you finally blow your brains out?
You seem to think that box #2 is the last hope. I'm not ready to give up on that one yet. But if things get so bad that the ballot box truly doesn't matter any more, we still have two more to defend liberty with. I hope we never again need the fourth box.
Throwing your hands in the air and saying "it's too rigged, there's no hope" is exactly what the opps want.
I am not giving up. But just shrugging and say 'go see a therapist' is useless.
Men will literally masturbate 24/7 instead of going to therapy
ftfy lol
You're not doing anything by saying "go to therapy." If you really cared, pay for someone's therapy.
Eh even if you want to bring your own emotional problems into a discussion like this, probably a better way is to go along the lines of "I understand how you feel, I often feel that way too. I find [this method] to be very helpful when dealing with it." bla bla, rather than turning it into a piss contest (or contunuing it if it started off like that).
Also I feel like this comic tries to speak in place of all men. I might be wrong but if indeed so, I don't feel like that all the time. Sure I do feel like that sometimes but definitely not even every month. I got my other problems, I am not problem free, but this is not it. So if this man feels like that all the time, he should probably try to have an open hearted discussion about it with someone who can understand rather than get angry about it. And if the other person makes fun of him for that, maybe he should consider his ties with that person because there are definitely people who are more understanding.
I can't guarantee it, but I'd guess the girl is talking about their period. I don't think that him giving advice is helpful in this context and from your comment it seems like maybe that wasn't how you understood the comic. Just adding that because it seems like your comment has a good intent but might not relate to how some people interpret the comic.
Yea I also thought of the woman talking about her period. Obviously it is impossible for the man to feel sympathy to all aspects of physical and emotional discomfort felt during a period but I was focusing mostly on the psychological aspects in isolation from all the other aspects.
Lemmy: MISOGYNY!
Meanwhile, me, a dumdum: Damn the author has experienced critically low self-esteem...or the joke is as fun as a rock in the field.
Like, either it's self-depreciating/edgy humor or it's not humor at all lol.
I immediately understood it to be a description of severe depression. If a neurotypical person suddenly experiences a low from a period similar to a depressed person's average day, why is it suddenly misogyny?
Because the depressed person is a man, there are many people who still treat mental illness and emotional trauma as character flaws, but only when men have them, otherwise it's all about listening and believing. Tl;dr: sexism against men is far more rampant and casually accepted than people think
The patriarchy hurts both sides
I'd be more willing to listen if y'all didnt insist on naming your ideological evil after men then wondering why so many are skeptical everything you say, it demonizes half the population.
Patriarchy? It's not named after men, it's named for "patriarch" - it means "rule of the father". It is very present in many typical households, where a male father figure makes and enforces the rules of the household. This serves as something of a microcosm of society at large.
I think you are seeing this as some sort of "battle of the sexes", like women vs. men kind of a situation - that's not what it's about, it just has been a historical fact, in most societies, going all the way back to the concept of dowry payments that a "father of the house" makes the decisions, up to and including decisions for women and girls, such as who they will marry, and so on, but in return this means that men have to perform a specific role and have a lot of pressures and expectations placed upon them, which can lead to very harmful effects on men too.
Feminism is fighting for men and women against a harmful ideology that primarily benefits the men of the ruling class.
"It's not named after men" "rule of the father" what gender is a father typically? I don't see it as a battle of the sexes, it's a battle for basic human empathy
Could you explain a little more what you mean? I thought my comment explained pretty thoroughly why patriarchy is named as such, can you explain why you object to it, and where you feel that lack of empathy?
Calling it the Patriarchy genders the oppressor, women in the same position do the same inhumane and cruel tactics to retain power as their male counterparts. Toxic Masculinity vs Internalized Misogyny is another, men are toxic actors while women who exhibit the same toxicity are treated as victims, the flagrant sexism I encounter in e ery feminist space I lurk in because as a man I am not allowed to speak. That's my problem,the sheer utter hypocrisy. I will never understand how feminist thinkers can be so talented at recognizing the power of wording when it's used against them but somehow become denser than a neutron star when it comes to seeing their own problematic and frankly hateful word choices
Patriarchy isn't about doing cruel or oppressive things, though, it's about enforcing, producing, reproducing and maintaining strict heirarchies of power and control along sex/gender lines. It's a term describing a real social phenomenon, and the concepts of enforced gender roles and behaviours is absolutely fundamental to understanding it.
The socialization of both genders is socially produced and reproduced by both men and women, but women are socialized into being subservient to men - nowadays less so than they were in the past, but still girls and women are generally socialized more towards agreeableness and men and boys are generally socialized more towards aggression, for example.
With this in mind, do you still think that the term patriarchy is wrong? What would you call it, instead?
I'd use a genderless term, again to avoid alienating fence sitters and outsiders. Because people don't like being associated with one if the greatest evils of society simply because they were born male. What is so fucking hard to understand about this?
What genderless term do you propose?
Off the top of my head Opresser gets the idea across without suggesting a conspiracy by men as a gender to keep women repressed, as you said this state of being oppresses men just as it does women. You'd get more allies and less friction from the layperson if half aren't subconsciously painted as minions and actors for the opressing class.
But that massively oversimplifies a very complicated idea, as I said a few comments ago, it's really not just oppression. I really think you need to lurk in a few more feminist communities for a while longer, I think you still need to learn a bit, frankly!
*tips fedora*
Man can't even explain why he understands her pain without shitheads like you mocking them. He never said her pain was lesser, he was explaining his own pain, grow some empathy
Edit:actually I'm not fucking done. This is why men suffer in silence, this is why we avoid therapy our problems are mocked, emotional trauma and mental illness are character flaws instead of something to be treated when men have them
He says that he feels like this all the time, while she only feels like that five days a month. Sure, he is not saying that her pain is lesser, but he is saying that he is suffering more. And that is what (most) people here mock. That this comic suggests that men suffer more than women. That responding to someone explaining their pain with "actually, I suffer like that all the time" is childish behavior. This isn't about men sharing their pain, it's about the one-upping what she is saying.
You wouldn't say this if it were reversed and you know it, this entire thread is a screaming example of the empathy gap towards men
You're not going to salvage this one. Neither of the characters are being good, and we both know the guy is assumed to be the bigger asshole in this comic. Regardless of what realities exist, most people are going to read what is presented as misogynistic.
The truth is, they're both failing to communicate, so anyone using this as a sexist cudgel is only revealing their own bias. Because, again, they both suck in this comic. There are no heroes here, so anyone claiming otherwise is... ignorant at best.
the last panel should say "I also suffer in similar ways, let's share how we cope" instead of saying "You suffer less than me"
Gotcha men have to spin their pain to be acceptable to society, this sounds familiar.....
No, all humans should sympathize and empathize instead of measure and compare when it comes to suffering.
You interpret it as a man vs woman thing because you consume mysogynistic ideology, willingly or not
Do you have kids? One you get along with toddlers and their mothers as an adult man you should have the tools necessary to break free from that stuff. Good luck.
There is a productive way to talk about your pain and going "I suffer more than you" is not it. No matter the gender.
This thread makes it very clear society thinks its OK for women to do it.
Man, I get it. You see how man are treated with less empathy, their pain diminished, their emotions denied and then faulted for being angry all the time, the only emotion that seems to be acceptable as a man. But you're going to hard in the other direction. It's not just black and white. Just because a man is talking about his pain doesn't mean he can't be a dick about it. And that is what this comic demonstrates. If you're honest to yourself I'm sure you can see that too. If not, you know, sorry to hear. Not much I can do to change your mind.
It's an unfunny edgelord comic. I get the point, it's just not funny.
Just like man/bear, the difference is this one can be interpreted as pro-men in its sentiment which tends to shake the tree, making examples of the Empathy Gap fall out
*loud farting and shitting sounds*
Bro what, at least use words.
If you're a piece of shit, it reads the way you read it. You probably don't wonder why that is.
I'm sorry you lack basic human empathy, I hope you get the help you need.
Woman: I am experiencing pain.
Power: Bah, you're just complaining because you're a woman.
Man: I too am experiencing pain.
Power: Bah, you're just complaining because you're a woman.
Transwoman: I too am experiencing pain. Hunh... Maybe I am a woman.
Power: Nope, you're just complaining because you're a wom-, uh... man...? Er, wait... how do we patronize you? What the...?
Transman: I also --
Power: Stop! Just... Stop thinking and feed the machine that makes us powerful, damn it! Fuck's sake, this was so much simpler when we could just claim divine right.
Yeah no that has nothing to do with the comic
The comic is seemingly intentionally ambiguous as an attempt to provoke consideration.
I've noticed that I cannot see images hosted on lemmy.zip unless I visit it manually, what could be causing this?
Yeah, but I enabled cookies for lemmy.zip then solved the captcha and images from there still don't show up.
Huh, I didn't know about this. I have no clue what could be the issue, although the captcha theory sounds reasonable. I'm sure the lemmy.zip admins would appreciate it if you let them know about this issue (unless they already do know about it (: )
I have a similar problem but different instances or file types and I also donβt understand.
I see more people speaking out against the comic than for. Just a lot of the same people repeating the for side.
this is fuckin dumb

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