Rebecca Joynes is currently serving a six and a half year prison sentence

A teacher who was convicted for having sex with two boys, becoming pregnant by one, has been banned from the profession.

Maths teacher Rebecca Joynes, 31, was jailed for six and a half years in July last year after being found guilty of six counts of sexual activity with a child, after sleeping with one pupil before falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) convened earlier this month via a virtual hearing, which Joynes did not attend, to consider her professional conduct. A panel recommended she be banned from teaching.

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[–] 96 points 10 months ago (14 children)

She forgot to be a billionaire

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Give some examples of male teachers having sex with students who were caught and walked free.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Bruce Siewerth. Want more? Internet searches are easy.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    He got away because the statute of limitations had long run out, not because some idea you have that male pedos aren't prosecuted.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Oh, can include priests then?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    That is the church protecting their own, who are by necessity men. You are insinuating that men, specifically because they are men, are let free when they commit sexual abuse, which is simply not the case, unless they're billionaires.

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  • [+] -18 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I consider my point proven, you have decided that things are a certain way and you will refuse to acknowledge reality because it is imperative to your identity to keep it intact.

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  • [+] -19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    lol. You’ve lost magnificently. But whatever makes you get through your pain.

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  • [–] 133 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

    She really can't stop fucking kids, can she?

    Maybe she has a future in US government

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    US Government? She's already in the UK, why would she leave a Pro League to go an Amatuer one?

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago

    Whether we call it rape or not, is less relevant than the real world UK offences and sentencing guide for sex with a minor. She will serve her time, be on a sex offenders register for life, never work in teaching again and an indelible record that will show up on any safeguarding checks.

    Here in the UK, our issue is that women and girls are told by the likes of Tommy (shit-for-brains) Robinson to look out for brown, black or Muslim people. Every week, women and girls have drinks spiked andraped by local white men, or are raped by people known and close to them.

    This story will get some headline news because she's an attractive white woman. If it was a brown, black, Muslim male, preferably with a beard, then we would be seeing widespread fear mongering by almost every news site.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Joynes was suspended pending a police investigation. But this did not stop her from inviting a second boy to her apartment for a “date night” that involved an Ann Summers scratchcard of sexual activities.

    She became pregnant with the boy and gave birth last year, but the child was taken away from her.

    This is sickening! The fact that she only got six years is a severe injustice to those two boys and the unfortunate child that was conceived in such a manner. Let's not "both sides" this: sex abuse is sex abuse. As @MrSulu@lemmy.ml pointed out, this will probably get some attention among far-right chuds for about week and get forgotten. It won't solve any issues and one more kid will fall into that hateful ideology. I hope the two boys get the help they need and that baby gets a good family that will look after it.

    (Also, I had to look up what "Ann Summers" was in the context of this story and now I feel like shooting my laptop)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Usually that would be true, but Farage is keeping his head down at the moment. No doubt 30p will say something incoherent and quite possibly untrue about all of this, but no one listens to anything he says anyway.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago*

    Exactly, the right wing fucks are going to derail & corrupt this issue with their brainrot & the left are already misandric enough.

    Oh too, late both of those chucklefucks are already here.

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  • [–] 273 points 10 months ago (44 children)

    Rape. She raped those boys. Use the correct terminology.

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  • [–] 87 points 10 months ago* (37 children)

    Legally speaking women cannot be rapists in the UK at least from what I remember.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    They define rape as penetration

    Good news is she did seem to actually be punished with a sizable prison sentence (by uk standards)

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    She got pregnant, so I'm pretty sure there was penetration

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    No only the person who does the penetration can rape under uk law.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    I dunno. I almost think there should be a different term or word for it. I'm not saying it's OK at all, I just think bundling so many sexual crimes under one name isn't great.

    For example; I was a horny teen and probably would have been into a teacher like that. It would have been wrong and it likely would have messed up different aspects of my life. I'm not condoning it or trying to downplaying it, but I feel if I had been violently penetrated against my will by a male teacher the trauma would be a whole different kind.

    So yeah, I don't know if we should call it rape, but I recognize the boys were underage and taken advantage of, and the crime absolutely deserves to be punished. I'm also the person who get's all worked up by modern loose usage of terms like WMD and many others, so I know I can be a handful.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    Maybe that young girl wanted to have sex with an older man? Maybe there was no force involved at all?

    NOOOOOO!!! RAPE IS RAPE! SIMPLE AS THAT!

    I get that you want to separate sex by force from sex by free will but when it comes to kids there can never be consent and it defaults to rape. It should not be minimized just because a female teacher raped young boys.

    Edit: If you want a different definition for what happens to someone being forced or not you could call it rape with assault or rape with {whatever}. I don't think the rape part should be minimized in any way. Just extended in brutality if anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think they were trying to say that it should be minimised. But we should define crimes precisely. After all we make a distinction between murder by intent, murder by negligence, and murder by proxy. They're all still murder, and they all still result in lifetime sentences, but we make the distinction.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I get that you want to separate sex by force from sex by free will but when it comes to kids there can never be consent and it defaults to rape.

    The issue with that definition, legally, is if two 12 year olds have sex with each other, they would now both end up in jail.

    Things like that have happened in the USA btw because the law is set that way.

    The problem isn't whether they can or can't consent at that age - humans don't magically gain some universal phenomena of consent at some arbitrary number.

    It's the lack of foresight and knowledge of consequences, as well as the physical and mental health risks for young girls who get pregnant. That's why it's bad.

    That's also why the best defense against pedophilia is education about sex. And why the right wing globally usually is against sex education.

    If they know what it is and what it can cause, it'll be much harder for them to be convinced or tricked by an adult.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    I really don't get what you are trying to say here.

    So what does the law in the US say now then? That the boy gets thrown in jail?

    Why would you not make exceptions for kids under the age of 15 to have sex with kids under 15 and kids over 15 but under 18 to have sex with kids over 15 but under 18? Granted that they both gave consent.

    In normal countries a kid can not consent to have sex with adults and it would be defined as rape and general sexual education is not frowned upon.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    The US las varies by state, but in some cases only the boy goes to jail. In other both go to jail.

    Even your proposal of

    Why would you not make exceptions for kids under the age of 15 to have sex with kids under 15 and kids over 15 but under 18 to have sex with kids over 15 but under 18?

    Has issues. For example, if two teens were already having sex at 14 but one turns 15, although legal before, it's suddenly illegal, even if consenting.

    Same with 17 to 18.

    That's why your statement of "underage automatically does not equal consent" doesn't legally work.

    What I think would work better than a simple lower limit age ban would be to also include an upper limit age ban as well. I think perhaps of 2 years for 13 and under and 3 years for 14-18.

    That way, if say a 17 year old has a partner that turns 18 or 19, there's no issues. But if an adult that's 22 (or older) does something with a 17 year old it's illegal.

    This gives room for consent, because teens are able to consent - they should just be able to do so safely with their peers, rather than because they are targeted by older, more experienced/manipulative adults.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Weird how this is not an issue in most other countries and that America always has to make everything complicated or convoluted. Arresting two minors for having sex with each other with consent is weird as fuck. I really don't understand why America has to be this extreme with everything. You guys never have nuance, it's either all or nothing. Fuck the kids or fuck them kids!

    In my country the law says that you are sexually mature at the age of 15, which means that as an adult can have sex with a 15 year old. However, recording or taking pictures of sexual acts are still considered illegal until you reach the age of 18.

    Do you know what we don't have? Lots of pedoes. Because the vast majority of people realize that having sex with a 15 year old is creepy as fuck and they do not find it attractive. We also have good sexual education so that everyone, especially the younger people, can make informed decisions.

    And having sex with a minor here (under the age of 15) is always considered rape in the eyes of the law if you are an adult. That said, most parents or the kids themselves won't care if a 14 year old had sex with a 16 year old and they won't make a big deal out of it as long as there was consent. Because everything is not black or white. We have nuance.

    Jaywalking is also illegal here but nobody cares, not even the police, because if nobody got hurt or you didn't put other people at harms way then there's no reason to make a big deal out of it.

    But getting back to the topic, I do really think that a female teacher "having sex" with a minor boy is rape and should be called out as such. There's no reason to minimize her crime and call it something else.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage, ergo could not give consent, ergo it was rape. Also power dynamics teacher pupil makes it even more rapey

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  • [–] 89 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    In the UK, the definition of rape requires penetration from the offending party by their genitalia. So unless the teacher has a monster clit she used to anally penetrate the boys, the definition of rape can't apply. For that there's the broader definition of sexual assault.

    Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term can get them in hot water - libel lawsuits and such, not to mention accusations of trying to shape the public's opinion, and so on.

    So yeah, you'll rarely find directly said out statements in the news as most journos will try to get to as close to the definition as possible without exposing themselves to legal action. That's why you'll often see e.g. statements like "the purported killer" even if there's clear evidence of the person being the murderer, simply because the case hasn't been judged yet therefore the legal term murderer - which requires a conviction - cannot be applied, and using it before the trial even happens is a big no-no.

    Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you that if it was a man with two young girls, the article would be going on the offensive much quicker, and even here they should've used the term "sexually assaulted" instead of "had sex with", but specifically the term rape cannot apply here.

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  • [–] 41 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for the informative reply. As a layman in another country who isn't worried about specific local laws, I'd like to add that she raped at least two children.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    New York had (has?) a similar distinction. It came up in the E Jean Carrol saga; specifically Trump suing for defamation after her lawsuit, because it wasn’t- technically- rape.

    IIRC it was dismissed with the judge saying that it fits the modern lay definition of rape and that’s not defamation.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    by their genitalia.

    So, like not using an object of some sort?

    Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term

    Still seems like a more generic term such as "sexual assault" would be applicable here.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    by their genitalia

    So the IDF can bring their dogs and iron bars, to the UK, and that's not rape...

    ... Gets me wondering wtf law makers in the UK are up to.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    The UK's law is precedent based. The definition of rape thus goes back all the way to the 1800s (like many other restrictive laws that need to be revisited, e.g. classifying any transportation device with any kind of engine, i.e. not human or animal propelled, as a vehicle thus forcing the owners of e.g. low end e-scooters to have licences, registration, insurance etc. without providing the framework for any of these), wherein rape was almost exclusively committed by men, therefore lawmakers found it proper to define it as penetration of the victim using one's genitalia - in a way to differentiate from "lesser" sexual assaults like flashing someone or forcing their hands on said genitalia.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I agree, but there are libel laws to consider here. It serves no one to open yourself up to a lawsuit, especially one from which the rapist can only benefit.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Hi! I'm not worried about being sued. She raped at least two children.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm going to take a guess that, if they were over the age of consent, it would have been consensual.

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  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago

    Like I just said within my reply to the original post:

    Did they give informed consent? Oh that’s right, if they’re that young, they’re denied that human right, and so we hand them over to the black market to be abused, increasing their allure to rapists and blackmailers alike. >:-| We really need to come up with better ways to protect children.

    So (unless the thing the other reply to this said ["Legally speaking women cannot be rapists in the UK"] is true), then, that's "statutory rape" [regardless of their informed consent]. Yup. Though I'm not convinced it's necessarily "correct".

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Dang.

    They're all going to learn that society doesn't give a damn about them.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Bad wording that...Struck off is also slang for "masturbation"

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago

    falling pregnant

    I always find this expression incredibly strange.

    Obligatory
    south park detective: nice.

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  • [+] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    I mean maths does have a tendency to be a bit dry and it's hard to get kids to engage with but I feel like this is going to be too far.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    I would like to welcome Rebecca Joyner to her future career in the Trump administration.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The TRA panel said that they found no evidence that Joynes’ qualities as a teacher outweighed the serious nature of the conviction

    Wut? There was a invistgation on this? what evidence would outweigh???

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Shed still have the criminal consequences, but maybe there is stratification for teaching bans. I.e., university level allowed and primary banned. Unlikely there's a rape stipend extended except for tenored professors.

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