They'll never know the magic (read: virus minefield) that was WinMX, Kazaa, Limewire, etc.
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I don't know if this meme is fully ironic, but kind of strange to think "torrenting" is considered the OG piracy method now.
For me personally, the OG pirating was buying bootleg VHSs/CDs/DVDs. But torrenting/P2P was the first mass scale digital piracy method.
torrenting/P2P was the first mass scale digital piracy method.
IRC? Napster? Edonkey? Emule? Kademlia?
And, hell, before that there was that guy in class who for five bucks would burn you a CD with any game you wanted, which he probably got off usenet...
And of course for music there was the old double deck cassette copier...
(Personally the first software crack I remember was dismantling Monkey Island's βdial a pirateβ wheel so I could photocopy it to share with friends after copying the diskettes...)
It's old but it's not even close to the OG. I believe the OG is newsgroups, and after that was p2p file sharing apps like limewire and napster, and only then did torrenting become a big thing
I'm gonna ignore non internet based methods. Here is the evolution imo
- BBS
- Usenet & warez websites
- Server client setups (Hotline etc)
- P2P without resuming (Napster etc)
- P2P W/resume & multiple sources (Kazaa, LimeWire etc)
- Torrents
- Streaming torrents
- Usenet
Edit: I'm seeing IRC a lot, not sure where it fits in this list. Assume it's around no 2.
This is the correct list, having lived through it. BBS services in the mid-1980s were the start of Razor1911, Paradox and other distro and cracker groups. I'd edit 2 to include FTP which is what BBS evolved into with secret dropsites for new releases.
IRC is 2.5 on this list. You can group that alongside the pre-web internet services, like AOL which had slightly IRC-like chat rooms dedicated to serving warez and videos in the same way (requesting a list from a chatbot, and then requesting sequential files).
Some light history here, though like all warez-related scholarship, there's a ton missing that you had to have seen to know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene
https://archive.org/details/b904a8eb-9c98-4bb1-bf25-3cb9d075b157/
Great list! And according to your list I'm right. BBSes aren't internet, and usenet is a synonym for newsgroups
Those were the times when my ISP, which was owned 100% by the city, had it's own newsgroups server full of warez lol
Yeah, I imagine to younger folks it feels like what usenet felt like to me when I was their age. Mystical land of unknown loot, if you know how to get there
most yes, some no. Some are fucking geniuses
also, my blame is 1000% on the schools. They lock down computers so much the button to make a FOLDER was disabled... in highschool
Funny, I remember being in middle school and getting detention for playing a RS private server called hackscape, clearly I was intending to hack the school.
Meanwhile I found the network drive and constantly deleted a bullys progress in our keyboarding course lmao, they never figured that one out.
There was a short while when everyone had computers at home, and we became skilled with them because we grew up with them. But those computers were pretty quickly replaced with tablets and phones, leaving the majority of younger generations with much less computer experience.
Because of the locked-down nature and simplified UI design of mobile platforms, they weren't able to learn skills like navigating file systems or the many tools in document and art programs they would have found on PC.
Rather than being an edutainment tool, mobile devices have offered cheap dopamine hits and predatory monetization. The fact that we know this and do nothing to correct it is incredibly sad.
I hear if you torrent you get a nastygram from your ISP. Meanwhile, I hear if you find a site that offers to stream it for free, nothing bad happens. Also I hear that Yandex gives better results for such sites than Google or DDG/Bing.
I hear VPNs exist. Though that could be a rumour.
I hear rumors being eastern european negates the nastygram, but that's just a rumour.
Ukrainian here, pretty eastern European. ISP doesn't make enough money to care.
If you're in Canada those nastygrams are merely scare tactics, generally.
Speak for urselves lul (I dk how to seed tho)
Just let the torrent keep going after you're done
Tried that but for some reason it doesn't seed :3
If you don't have a port forwarded for your torrent client, then only the people that do will be able to download from you. Unfortunately, most VPN providers don't support port forwarding.
If you move or delete the files it would break it
Yeah I could guess that, but no just sitting around it either doesn't upload anything or uploads and absurdly small amount (less than 50mb)
Probably an issue with connecting to peers or trackers. One common issue is not having the port forwarded properly at your router.
Yeah I see the same thing and I self host a seedbox that has hundreds of seeding torrents. Some torrents do get some seeding action but most never upload anything. Never figured out why but some private trackers give you points towards your up/down ratio the longer you seed so I just roll with that Β―\(γ)/Β―
I gave up on private trackers a while ago. Nothing I've ever been looking for was obscure enough to warrant putting up with their bullshit rules.
Ah, yeah that's fair. I'm on a few but primarily use TorrentLeech which is more relaxed about things. To be honest though, torrents are my fallback anyway and most of my downloads are done via Usenet
Just took a look at Torrentleech. It does seem more relaxed. Last one I was on restricted which versions your client had to be, but didn't keep up with updates. Between that and their solution to new people not being able to gain upload credit being to purchase credits, I got tired of it and bailed.
Only private tracker I use is MyAnonymouse, they've got all the books/audiobooks anyone could ever need, which I have had a really hard time finding on public trackers. Their rules are super lenient as well.
If it was a popular torrent with a lot of seeders, it was probably still working but you never got selected. Could also happen when it was the opposite. If there was like three seeders and no peers, when you finish you're just sitting there with the other folks with no one to seed to.
make sure your torrent client is bound to your VPN interface before seeding also :)
Two things. 1. Already mentioned, you need to be connectable. Torrent client port needs opened on router admin panel. 2. You can only seed if there is another user(s) actively downloading that data. And if you're 1 of many seeders, you're only uploading a little bit
Theres a lot more to it but thats a good high level overview
I personally just check the db0 megathread and torrent from there, sometimes I watch online because I cant be bothered to download tho
Hey now, Iβm younger than that and I know how to do both things lol
But do you know about slsk?
Heard of it but didnβt use it. Tbf I wasnβt really interested in pirating music as much as other media
be me
born in 2005
used to use steam unlocked
torrent
is bisexual
the meme is partly correct i guess :3
Wait, is torrenting actually dying out?
i kid you not my roommate watched a movie someone posted on Twitter
It's still somewhat big in certain regions, even younger people torrent (although streaming piracy is more popular).
Not sure of statistics. But imo judging by the picture of media as of today, torrenting is either growing or changing into usenet.
2001 baby here with a home ubuntu server running Plex + Jellyfin, *arr suite, qbittorrent and slskd in docker, and a few TB on my favourite private trackers. Iβm an outlier for sure, I donβt know anyone else my age that even knows what 1337x is
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