How do you "ban VPNs"? That's not how software works, and VPNs are... you know, a key part of a bunch of online infrastructure. I get that they mean "ban them to bypass restrictions", but the entire point of a VPN is you can't tell from the outside what it's being used for. You may as well ban thinking about butterflies. You can write it down, but you can't enforce it.
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i guess we all should have fought back on internet censorship, rather than fallen back on "well i can still vpn".
What the hell is happening in Denmark at the moment??
First forcing the chat control topic upon Europe, now this?
I looked up their government, would have expected far right or so, but it is liberal social democrat...
So what happens here?
My bet is on a lot of bigtech bribes lobbying
Big Tech has no interest in chat control, though.
They vehemently opposed it from the start.
How the Danish are acting just doesn't make sense...
It's more complicated than that as control acts as a barrier to entry preventing competitive start ups entering the market and disrupting it so established players probably don't care as they can bare the cost of compliance if they have to.
But it would be the other way around:
Established players would have to completely break and rewrite their existant transport layer in the whole world, just to be able to also cover the EU. (Or leave.)
While potential new competitors would be able to design it to comply right from the start.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
It isn't just Denmark. You see it here in Sweden, too. I'd be surprised if you didn't see it across Europe.
I'm not really happy with any of the big political parties here in Sweden. The Greens hate nuclear power so much they'd prefer to open up fossil fuelled power plants than keep nuclear ones up and running. The Left party work really hard to get out of the EU. These are both parties I align the best with.
The Social Democrats are just these milquetoast soft-core conservatives, pretending to care about issues but turning their coats the second they get the chance. Unfortunately they always end up leading any of the left-winged government coalitions, typically with the help from the Centre who then gets to dictate all the policies, so it just ends up being a centre-right government that sells out our welfare to private interests.
It's been like this for well over a decade at this point. Useless bunch, the lot of them.
Yeah Sweden has been doing great strides toward a full surveillance state, it is creepy as fuck.
All country leaders are looking at North Korea with loving eyes.
I remember how almost twenty years ago people were scoffing at the great firewall of China, how they’d restrict information and what not. Now all western countries are all “we must do this, for the children!”
Wow, this is quite an interesting read, because you can write almost the same thing - word for word - about Germany. It's the same overall in Germany with a few differences like time (it has been going on for a lot longer here) and some of the left are a bit different.
Don't be fooled by the party names. You have to look at the policies and consequences. Danes like to feel progressive, have left leaning stuff like free education and totalitarian measures against stuff they fear. The social democratic party remained in power after Germany moved troops into Denmark in 1940. It should tell you a lot.
There are fascists subverting every location on the political spectrum, none of them are immune. We've been trained to think in terms of "left" or "right" but these fuckers are coming at us sideways and corrupting our whole politcal spectrum at once. Don't fall for it, pay attention to actions, not labels.
Denmark resistance lasted for the whole 6 hours.
The soc.dem. are not a left party anymore. The current government consists of three different center-right parties. And they have some weird priorities sometimes.
I wonder how much it has to do with the success and subsequent loss of this operation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trojan_Shield
Because it seems like a lot of countries in the west are pushing this kind of thing rover the last several years and there’s a heavy push right now. https://www.privacyguides.org/videos/2025/12/16/taylor-lorenz-on-kosa-the-screen-act-and-repealing-section-230/
Denmark seems to want to fuck everything up lately, what's their problem?
They can't understand each other. Because of their language.
The powers that be really don’t like the idea of unmonitored secure networks do they?
The whole country wants to ban VPNs?
Or just a small subset of politicians in the pocket of big corporations who see their profits melt because of their own greed?
What's the difference?
Wut? Are you actually suggesting that the entire population of Denmark (aka, the whole country) is just
politicians in the pocket of big corporations
???
Well, I'm an American, and we're collectively blamed for the fuckshit our government does, so absolutely yes.
But also, if the Danish government passes a law that goes into effect, how does it matter how many or how few Danes wanted it?
Well, you collectively elected Trump for president.
Twice.
Uh huh, and how'd the Danish government arrive in power?
Same way. But there's a difference between proposing a VPN ban and nuking a hurricane.
Yeah, Denmark might actually try their stupid idea.
Which won't kill (hundreds of) thousands of people, like the covid policy, or usaid, or epa, or CDC shutdowns. It won't abduct people on the street. It won't ban certain religions from entering the country. It won't sell pardons, or shit coins, or shares in a scam to directly benefit the president. It won't crash the economy. It won't put kids in cages. It won't put state secrets in bathrooms, sell classified info to Russia and won't rape anyone.
This wouldn't make it to the top 10 stupid ideas of any week across the pond. Over there you need ID to buy bread and groceries are a hoax (according to the president).
Oh just give it a minute. Europeans pretending they're not following right behind the US, that their own right wing retards aren't consolidating power.
It's a whole different caliber of right wingers. Some of them not even retards, which makes them much more dangerous, but more predictable. The only thing so far that has been positive for trump is how monumentally stupid he is an how lazy he is, which prevents him from implementing a coordinated plan, it's just random destruction here and there.
Gotta give Denmark credit, they're really going for the Shittiest Western European Country Award. Granted, I'm from the USA and we're obviously an unmitigated disaster, but like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Competing for attention?
The UK has entered the conversation, we will not be unseated in Europe. But yeah as hard as we try we pail in comparison to you guys, hopefully your inevitable implosion will serve as a warning to the rest of us aspiring authoritarianists.. Probably not.
Are you kidding? Whatever collapse they are trying to cause over there will inevitably be done here too once they're done. It's like a concerted global fascist effort, and people are sleepwalking straight into it, it's like they have some brain control machine.
Wait, shit, they do- the Internet.
Some US states are in the process of banning VPNs too, though. I’m afraid the USA remains the uncontested champion of being a shitty western country and it‘s not even close.
Denmark is trying to implement a lot of straight up fascist laws lately...
Pls, technology?
Climate change and a war against china are the two triggers.
I notice this mainly from western countries. Asians and South Americans seem to recognize they arent immune from corruption and bullshit policy. Yet for some reason their western counterparts like to point the finger at other countries (namely the US) and diminish their VERY real problems. "You Americans elected a facist, what are you doing?!" Yet far right parties have been surging for the past decade in Europe and Australia.
Facism was literally birthed in the west yet they never think it will come back
Shit's getting extra shitty everywhere. Its like a couple of countries went a little fash and every politician across the globe went FUCK YEAH, LET US IN ON THAT SHIT!!!
Denmark is attempting Schrodinger’s VPN ban. Seems like every week it’s defeated and re-emerges. What a waste of administrative time.
What is happening with Europe and the countries within it?
Give it time, there are bills proposed in some states to do the same.
They are not the bastion of liberty that everyone thought they were. Oh look, proved once more. Capitalism corrupts and corrodes every single social program, legislation, and benefit in society.
In a turn that so many people saw coming, social democracy is not immune to the wiles and whims of capital and corruption. Just like any other form of capitalism, it too will decay and dissolve. The rich want nothing but literal, chain and whip slavery over the poor of the world. These assholes are so mentally ill, they genuinely CANNOT stop hoarding, and they are so twisted by power and wealth, they wholly envision themselves as gods.
This is what liberals fail to see: if the rich truly got/ will get their way, we will be chattel slaves for them and then when their AI gets good enough, they will hunt us for sport.
I don't mean to sound like a tweaking lunatic, but I am so positive that if there is anything that we enjoy or have, the rich want us not to. They are so petty and obsessed, any situation we are in that is not literally beneath their feet is too good for us worthless poors.
We are standing on a MAJOR precipice, the liberal capitalism of old is gone, and they are gunning for everything we are and have now.
Once again, I would like to thank stupid politicians and greedy media conglomerates for their contributions to media piracy. If not for all their hard work, we would still be playing Russian Roulette with shitty DIVX rips on Limewire.
What the hell is a foreign illegal stream?
"Oh no! We must protect the poor MPA! The poor organization that's been hell bent on policing what films and media ought to contain and ensuring the multi-million dollar corporations continue to make their millions in peace!"
~ Denmark’s Ministry of Culture, probably
(nevermind the fact that countries with anti-piracy policies have not ever proved that they "repair" the so-called "market-damage" that they purport piracy has done)
The Supreme Court equivalent tried that in Brazil, but soon discovered all government digital infrastructure depends on it and backpedaled.
I'm hearing a lot about zero trust infrastructure lately and I wonder if this is the reason - the desire to eliminate VPNs. I honestly don't know enough about IT to know if that even makes sense but it wouldn't surprise me if these big corpos see the writing on the wall and are figuring out how to work sans VPN.
It's already been taken off. The guy who requested this is a complete asshole that needs to be thrown out of office immidietly.
They already pulled back the part about banning VPNs last night, before this post was even made.
Denmark: everything is hygge unless you are Inuit or a Refugee. Now add free Internet to the exception list.
Until someone tells them how corporate IT works.
It's really telling how over the last few months, the overlap of "Oh, WTF is this?" between Privacy and Technology communities have aligned more and more.
They are getting more bold and now people are realizing privicy nerds (I'm one myself) are, in fact, not crazy.
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