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[–] 176 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Hmm... What's eating Windows' lunch? Oh "Unknown" and "Other". Cool.

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  • [–] 55 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If they're basing this off browser user agents like a third of my traffic at least is random Chinese ips and requests with Chinese language in the headers.

    All of them would be flagged as unknown by the major user agent parsing libraries.

    None of the sure I work with have any Chinese content or content remotely useful for Chinese people, so it's scrapers.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago

    From the FAQ:

    Statcounter is a web analytics service. Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device.

    So yeah, they’re basing of browser user agents.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Can it be fingerprint spoofers skewing the results? In that case the data is worthless.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Most people don't fake agent strings but the bots sure do.

    The actual thing obscured by this graph is the amount of users. Most people use mobile devices now and companies are incentivized to use apps there instead of actual desk top machines.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Hmm… What’s eating Windows’ lunch? Oh “Unknown” and “Other”. Cool.

    If the data is coming from statcounter, it's kind of vague where they're pulling it.

    It's strange to see IOS and not Android, maybe because it's fractured into so many sources

    It could also be anti ad/tracker stuff.

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  • [–] 146 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    The Year of the Unknown Desktop

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    As we know,
    There are known knowns.
    There are things we know we know.
    We also know
    There are known unknowns
    That is to say
    We know there are some things
    We do not know.
    But there are also unknown unknowns,
    The ones we don’t know
    We don’t know.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where...

    You get the idea

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What do we know about
    The unknown knowns
    The things we don't know we know?

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  • [+] 94 points 10 months ago* (8 children)
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Technically Cisco devices use "IOS" but i doubt that's whats shown here.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'd count laptops along with desktops. There's no meaningful difference for most folks. The desktop is dying hard and fast, has been for a decade.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Everything going down or steady except "Unknown"

    I don't care who wins, I care that Windows loses

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What the hell happened in Jan 2023

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Unknown could be AI scrapers

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    Not only, since those stats actually are based on trackers and such, when you use something like uBlock Origin, pihole or anything that blocks trackers they will just list you as "unknown".

    Scrappers are probably under "others"

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  • [+] 17 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Even if they sell like hot cakes relative to their intended audience of Steam users, it will not make much of a difference in overall market share. Steam might be relatively big with PC gamers, but overall they are rather tiny.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Tiny yes, but IMO getting the attention of computer gamers needs to be the next step if a Linux flavor is going to become a household name.

    Even if it's "SteamOS" that becomes the household name instead of "Linux" that's still good overall. Maybe it'll turn into how people used to say they had "Droid" smartphones, not Android.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, if a single distro is what we're after, isn't there already ChromeOS?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    ChromeOS is pretty far from normal Linux. It's closer to something like Android. Uses the Linux kernel, but doesn't bring the freedom, flexibility, or even GUI tool that come with a Linux desktop. SteamOS does come with all of those.

    And, importantly, improvements and software for SteamOS is, generally, improvements and software for most Linux distros.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Between that and windows 11 forcing people to choose between buying new hardware (at currently inflated RAM prices) , remain on win10 without updates oo switching to a different OS, it really could mean the fabled "year of the Linux desktop" has finally arrived.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    I'm colour blind so there's basically only three colours on this graph but what I'm assuming is showing is that windows is decreasing in popularity and apparently so is OS X. I'm assuming the other colour is Linux or Chrome but no idea which is which.

    For future reference, when making graphs make them in black and white first and if they are visually distinct then you can add whatever colours you want.

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  • [+] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Unknown is kind of a lot here

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The order in which the operating systems are named in the bottom is their order on the complete right side of the graph. Most left (windows) is the top on the line graph. The next one OS X is the second from the top in the line graph, etc.

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    [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Unknown could be anything. It could even be windows!

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Unknown could be anything.

    Thats not a bad thing.

    I'm a big fan of preventing marketers from gaining additional useful knowledge about me.

    Sometimes that means anonymizing, sometimes it means actively polluting their data.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    A couple of peaks of unknown seem to match very nicely with the windows graph, if you invert it. I think the two big windows crashes we see are measuring differences or re-categorization effects. ... or how about brand new or discontinued versions of windows, that were not counted as windows yet?

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The unknown is actually a niche OS they put on all the smart dildo and sex toys they make now. True story. ✌️

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Interesting. But since when is iOS a desktop operating system?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It is barely on the graph at all, and really only in 2012 - I'm assuming they released some product around then that is enough like a desktop computer that it made the list but ultimately fizzled out.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    At this rate it will only be relevant for another 15-20 years.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Other is really taking off in 2025. Should we invest in other?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    OS X

    I don't use Apple devices and didn't realize that they didn't all use the same operating system (OS X vs IOS). Shame on me, I guess.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's not even called OS X anymore, now it's called macOS.

    iOS is actually based on macOS, although it's slimmed down a lot. iOS has been further split into iOS and iPadOS, although they're pretty much the same thing. It's just a marketing move.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    See yall in 60 years

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    So unknown can we count as Linux+ BSD?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    the graph says desktop operating systems so maybe it is a Linux. no idea why iOS appears in it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Well iOS only shows up on the graph right at the end, in 2025. You'll note that it correlates perfectly with a large drop in MacOS. This must be people using an iOS browser on their Mac, this is possible if you're mac has Apple silicon. I don't know why people would do that, but that's what it looks like.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    TIL there's a new operating system that came out less than a year ago but already captured 5% of the market, passing ChromeOS and Linux

    This stat is rubbish because they're basing it on web views, and the millions of ai scraping bots are influencing it

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    So I assume this is some kind of web traffic graph?

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    iPad + Magic Keyboard. It’s my primary device. Pretty easy when you interact with virtually everything in a browser. Plus it gets ridiculous battery life and mine has cellular connectivity.

    I do still have a Windows box for gaming, but I don’t browse the web with it; it just boots into Steam Big Picture mode.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Trash graph showing Win at nearly 100%

    Fuck right the fuck off lol

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago

    Ako podporovateľa slobodnej kultúry ma obzvlášť zaujíma síce pomaly ale dlhodobý rady Linuxu na bežných počítačoch. "Rok desktopového Linuxu" je však zatiaľ v nedohľadne. S nevôľou k Windowsu 11 však očakávam ďalší rast Linuxu.

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