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In English, not using "e" seems like the true struggle.
(Sentence above free of "a"s).
Fuck you.
Ah, classic rebuttal and sans a certain character! Fantastic!
There’s an entire novel that did it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby_(novel)
Several. Later Georges Perec also did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Void
Which is a book about a world in which the letter "E" has disappeared and only one guy notices it. He tries to prove it, but of course all works of literature have been "rewritten" by reality to no longer include E. For example, Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, is now A Blackbird - which the author includes in full, keeping the original meter and plot.
I heard about this when I was in my twenties, forgot the details, and purchased The Great Gatsby instead.
I thought I was missing something for the longest time. I guess I was.
Ahh that's the one. For some reason I thought it was from the 1880s...
You thought you did somthing thr didnt you? Wll sorry to burst your bubbl but numrous sentnces could b constructd without mploying th first ltter of the Nglish lxicon.
Could still be shorter, "So?"
Thomas Jefferson: Intelligence.
Benjamin Franklin: Genius.
I’m going to assume you’re serious…
You’re describing the relationship between Nicola Tesla (inventor, genius) and Thomas Edison (business man, scumbag).
Benjamin Franklin (pictured right) is the guy who proved the existence of electricity. He is better known for inventing using the printing press and inventing bifocals.
Apparently he invented time travel, too, if he was able to go back to 1440 to invent the printing press.
I wouldn’t put it past him.
You’re right, not the inventor. I had thought he reinvented it, making the first modern printing press, rather he built his own and was one of the first prolific users of one in America.
I've never seen a picture of Franklin when he was young. Maybe he was almost 400 years old when he died?
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The former; the person you're thinking of, as the latter, is Thomas Edison.
Wasn't there a novel written in the 1880s that did not include the letter E? The most commonly used letter in the English language. The story in the novel was unremarkable save for the fact that... yeah, there are no Es.
In what sense is it the first letter of the English lexicon? Lexicon ≠ alphabet
In the sense that Alphabet has an 'a' in it.
Yeah, but it isn't impressive avoiding a letter if you can use any word you want, and it doesnt matter what it means. "Without employing the second most frequent letter of English." would make sense or "the vowel which is commonly listed first" or some sort of thing. I suspect they just didn't know what lexicon meant and thought it sounded smart.
I think the description "first letter" is easily understood if you remember what a lexicon used to look like.

Ahh, I didn't know that Americans* called dictionaries 'lexicons'. In most forms of English I've heard, and in the field of linguistics, 'lexicon' is the complete set of vocabulary in a language, or subject. A dictionary is an alphabetical list of a lexicon, often with definitions.
*I'm presuming it's Americans because mirriam webster lists the dictionary definition first, while OED and Cambridge only list that as archaic usage.
Well I'm neither English or American, but to me the word lexicon means encyclopedia. It's still alphabetical.
Plenty of archaic uses are still common depending on dialect. One of the more annoying aspects of Cambridge and OED is the assignment of archaic to older or lesser used forms that may still be common in parlance bet fell out of favor in most other ways.
Also I refuse to listen to what the English have to say on the English because they keep intentionally fucking with their dialect.
Quite right! Never trust the English! But what do you mean, they "keep intentionally fucking with their dialect"? All languages, dialects, sociolects, etc are constantly changing in different ways, do you feel like the dialects of England change more than other? Or that they do it more purposefully?
If memory serves they've had at least one government backed effort to relatinize certain words in their dialect. I do respect any country that does that on an intentional and purposeful level, it's why I don't respect the French and why I have gripes with the Icelandic.
If you can remember anything more about that I'd be really interested, as langauge reform is a big interest of mine. As far as I'm aware, there's been no successful langauge reform in Britain, and even the few attempts (George Bernard Shaw's simplified spelling society and a labour MP in the 50s who failed to pass a bill in Parliament) were all for simplyfing and regularising English spelling (so that 'give' would become 'giv', because it doesn't rhyme with five, hive, dive, etc) not re-Latinizing anything.
The last significant change in English spelling I can think of was when Webster introduced his "American" spelling in the 19th century and changed 'honour', 'centre', etc to their US versions.
I totally agree that this is something that happens naturally, and probably shouldn't be interfered with by a government. When it has been successful, it has been about giving permission for official langauge to reflect current usage. Telling people they must write 'hav' instead of 'have' is not going to work because even if it's illogical it's such a high frequency word that it is minimal effort to add, and then ignore, the 'e'. But allowing school children to start writing 'thru' instead of 'through' might actually work.
But allowing school children to start writing 'thru' instead of 'through' might actually work.
Indeed, I think the kinds of simplifications which we already naturally use in casual writing, like 'thru' or 'tho', might take off if they were allowed, unlike changes imposed from above.
(Great comment btw!)
As I understand it it was less so a matter of direct spelling changes and was moreso a matter of "correcting" pronunciation of school children. While it's generally failed every generation or two it seems the English face some version, the most notable being the shifter of how to pronounce solder so as to pronounce the L. Though that one in particular may just be people not knowing how to say it as well.
Also as an aside Webster simply documented the most common spellings of words at the time, while he definitely had an impact on a lot of the spelling most of it was pretty well spread by the point he published his dictionary. Printing presses charged by the letter so superfluous letters generally got abandoned namely the U in a lot of words since it generally doesn't effect inflection in American English, I've also seen variants wherein silent Ls and Ks were dropped though most of those ones didn't stick probably because nife just kinda looks wrong.
If you list all English words in an order, a preferably standard/prototypical kind of order, what will be the first word on the list?
I'd say that if nothing else is specified, then the most correct choice of putting the words in an order is ti put them in alphabetical order.
If there is "the first one of all English words", then it's actually a bit difficult finding a definition for that where the first one would be something else than "a".
the difference between Virginia and Philadelphia has never been so succinctly summarized
On Reddit there was a subreddit where you couldn't use the letter E, r/AVoid5 iirc
Oh I could, with simplicity.
你用英语因为你只懂英语。
我不肯用英语因为我不肯给你懂。
我们不同。
(Prompt didn't specify which linguistic-type to use. P.S. used pinyin without the first letter of the 字母)
Might've been better paired with Adams. If I'm remembering correctly, when they were going to France, Adams tried to learn the language with rote memorization and conjugation tables and whatnot. Franklin apparently just made up "French-sounding" words.
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