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[–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

(Beat me to it!)

Anyway, what's immediately interesting to me is Markham-Unionville is where incumbent Liberal candidate Paul Chiang dropped out from the race in April over translated comments that appeared to suggest turning an opposition candidate to Hong Kong authorities for a bounty.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Finally, the greens hold the balance of power...

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    PP ought to be a shoe-in at the Leadership convention.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Mark Carney is a better conservative leader that’s for sure.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Liberals unironically make better conservatives than conservatives.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Liberals of today are quite literally the Progressive Conservatives of yesteryear, before Preston Manning and the Reform party took "Progressive" out of their ethos by merging the Reform Party / Canadian Alliance Party into it and thus hijacking their mandate.

    So really there's no irony about it. The harder right Liberals crossed over to the new Conservative party to play in Stephen Harper's sandbox. The old-guard "Progressive Conservatives" who were not comfortable moving more right moved over to the liberal party which ended up moving a little bit to the right as a result.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    From the horses ass if anyone is wondering what Pierre had to say about this. Once again it's got nothing to do with him even though it's the 3rd MP he's lost. And if anyone was wondering a peeked into some Canadian Conservative subs, the popular sentiment amongst them is Pierre is decent and this all happened because they're victims of bad people doing bad things as usual.

    https://xcancel.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1999269453846966434

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    When are progressive liberals going to cross the floor to join the NDP? I’m not a liberal supporter but can’t imagine this is what the liberal caucus imagined when Carney was elected leader.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Oh great, and right before the Christmas break. I’m not gonna hear the end of this at the family get together 😫

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    One more to go, every person the cons lose is a win.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They need to split their party.

    Realistically the LPC are where the moderate conservatives are, and Pollievre is shedding that part of their voter base faster than a husky in the summer sheds its fur.

    Ideally PP should join the PPC.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Give it another decade or two like this and it'll cement the shift.

    In BC the libs were the cons. The cons were the whackos. The ndp were the libs.

    After the libs fell apart and joined the cons, were left with whackos and libs. No real NDP left like at the fed level.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Clearly this is a sign the Liberals must go further right so that more Conservatives can realize they've been Liberals all along

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Really disrespecting the voters. It’s a liberal-conservative coalition alright.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We shouldn't dismiss or ignore the fact that floor crossing is an essential element of a healthy parliamentary democracy, as much as it's maligned as often as it is praised. It's based on the principle that MPs represent constituents, not just parties, that they have a free mandate vs imperative mandate (eg conscience votes, dissent, etc.) and that responsible government is based on confidence not party purity.

    We may not live up to the ideals of the system, but we should at least try.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure I agree with your claim that 'floor crossing is an essential element of a healthy parliamentary democracy...'

    Leaving a party that no longer represents the constituents should be alliwed, but I'd be happy if MPs were required to sit as independents for the rest of the term.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Implementing and enforcing a rule like that would punish the constituents of the riding. If the principle is that an MP should first and foremost do what's best for his or her riding, then joining a party is far superior to sitting as an independent. It gives them a seat in caucus where decisions are made, input into policy positions, a chance to chair committees and potential cabinet or secretary roles. A party MP can walk into ministers offices and lobby internally for local projects. Independents don't get these benefits. This ignores all the other benefits like campaign funding, etc. For a riding as influential as Markham/Unionville this is a substantial gain for the Liberals and they will no doubt be willing to support and listen to the constituents, and treat them quite favourably.

    The Canadian body politic should have learned and should recognize that we vote for MPs, not specifically for parties. The parties are political associations, not constitutional actors. If you want the best results for your riding, you probably don't want an independent. Sitting with a party maximizes impact, sitting as an independent maximizes moral autonomy.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Your points are well taken, but it also incentivizes abandoning a losing party after an election - even if that party still represents the interests of the constituency.

    The broader solution is to deeply gut the party system, starting with true proportional representation. Banning whipped votes would be ideal, but not possible to implement.

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