US forces have seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, in a major escalation of Donald Trump’s four-month pressure campaign against the South American country’s dictator, Nicolás Maduro.

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[–] 209 points 11 months ago (33 children)

Huh, I wonder why they seized it instead of shooting it like the others? It couldn't possibly be for the oil, right?

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  • [–] 94 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    In contrast to people, oil has a market value.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Never heard of human trafficking?

    Oil is just a lot more profitable and easier to work with.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago

    Trump has plenty of experience as a human trafficker, but those were underage models in his little fake modeling agency, Trump Model Management, which was a friendly competitor to Epstein's MC2 Model Management.

    But I can understand him not wanting to draw on that experience here. That and Hegaeth is a murderous fuck, and he was the one awake enough to give the order.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    I mean, I know what your point is, but can we actually just be thankful that they did not in fact blow up an oil tanker and spill all that into the sea?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The deep water horizon did not show America too concerned about oil in the Gulf. I'm not sure they care where it goes if they can't have it.

    What, have they escalated to blockading Cuba now?

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Just tow it outside the environment.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's space bro. You're describing outer space

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    No. I will not thank them for seizing the ship. That's a ludicrous suggestion.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's equivalent to what they said. If someone comes over and punches you in the head should I be thankful they didn't stab you?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You can, in fact, be thankful that you weren't stabbed while also being upset that you were punched. Adults can have more than one emotion at a time. Never heard of a "silver lining"? It's an idiom for a reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    blowing up a tanker would cause a huge hazard to the area, spilling oil all over the ocean.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I can think of a few reasons why the US Navy wouldn't want to fire high explosives into a contain full of flammable materials, depending on the range of their artillery.

    Also definitely possible they're just doing Privateer shit with Navy assets. I do wonder whether the vessel gets impounded or just escorted to a friendly port in El Salvador or Honduras and quietly re-flagged and titled.

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  • [–] 174 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Starting a nonsense war under the guise of "spreading democracy" just to take their oil reserves so that rednecks back home can pollute the air and warm the earth with their oversized trucks. Can it get any more American this?

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

    He wants to declare war on Venezuela next year (or hopes that he can agitate them enough to commit an act of terror on the US) so he can deny midterm elections because he knows the GOP majority will potentially be cooked

    Remember how much his eyes shifted when he was told that elections can be delayed due to a country being at war

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    He's not 100% wrong.

    I'm sure he remembers fondly how every single news network praised him profusely when he dropped the MOAB on Afghanistan.

    He knows very well how much the US loves a warmongering president.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    are you talking about the bunker buster in Iran?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    No, this was in his first term.

    Here's an article on it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39598046

    But yeah, every single news outlet sang his praises after this. I specifically remember being on the treadmill in the gym, watching CNN, and I'll quote Fareed Zakaria: "In that moment, he became president of the United States."

    This country loves war to the point of absolute absurdity.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I'm starting to get the impression that a large fraction of Americans have lustful thoughts at the idea of mass murdering civilians (including children) as well as at the idea of their "leaders" having sex with children.

    Theirs is a diseased relationship with power.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    We are a nation that really has never given a crap about bombing civilians en masse. Hell, President Obama, whom many still revere, dropped 20,000 bombs just in the last year of his presidency and killed an American citizen in Iraq ordering a bombing as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    At one point President Obama had the definition of "enemy combatant" be changed to "Any man between the ages of 16 and 60" because the numbers of "collateral" civilian casualties from the drone attacks he ordered were so bad.

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    [–] 104 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Let me guess... It was carrying drugs? Just packed full of cocaine? Can't wait to hear the justification for this one.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It has been under US sanctions since 2022 for supplying the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. It was spoofing its position. It was flying a false flag.

    As to the legal justification, there are technicalities that could be argued. But that’s incidental to the intention here probably.

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    An oil tanker...full of drugs?

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago

    Fucking terrorist country

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago

    Remember, USA is against piracy lmao

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  • [–] [S] 51 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    definitely not about the oil!!!

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    [–] 48 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Welcome to the sixteenth century! When Queen Elizabeth couldn't afford to go to war against Spain so created ‘letters of marque’ which legalised piracy against Spain and its empire. Single handedly created the pirate economy.

    Then, welcome to the eighteenth century, when america created the fiction of the Barbary Corsairs to legalise american piracy of the atlantic trade.

    Isnt it Mark Twain who states that history rhymes?

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Ruh-roh. Trump and Hegseth forgot the US has a 100% losing record against countries that start with V.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Vietnam lost over a million of its people during the US invasion and occupation. It's all cutesy and smug to tally this as a Big L for Team USA. But I don't think anyone in that country values the W/L record over the hundreds of thousands of family members, friends, and other loved ones who died to feed the American war machine's rapacious appetite.

    That's before we even talk about the ecological damage that haunts Vietnam to this day. Or the deaths in Laos and Cambodia racked up in collateral. Or the tenuous diplomatic relationships between the various South Pacific neighbors based on Cold War grudges, which have re-emerged as a shooting war between Thailand and Cambodia just last month.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Also, weren't the US armed forces prevented from going all out in Vietnam?

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program#Torture

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre#Killings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#Use_in_the_Vietnam_War

    Read through that and tell me what we missed.

    The American military tried everything just shy of nuking Hanoi. Anyone who tells you otherwise is ignorant or trying to sell you something.

    Soviet-sponsored air and naval defenses prevent North Vietnam from being saturation bombarded at the scale we inflicted on North Korea a decade earlier. Americans were largely confined to combat against insurgencies in the South. So much of the war was fought against the civilian population that the Americans were ostensibly there to protect from the villainous Communists.

    But the idea that we simply didn't use enough troops or sufficiently advanced weaponry or brutal tactics... that's all reactionary mythology. If skinning half the population alive would have won the war, we'd have done it. A far more compelling argument is that Americans alienated the entire peninsula with our "all out" invasion (not unlike how we ended up alienating the bulk of the Afghan population following our '02 invasion). A subtler and more strategic approach - like our efforts to stand up anti-communist governments in The Philippines and Indonesia - seemed to have far better results in hindsight.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Are we talking about the same Indonesia where the USA funded and installed a Pro-US puppet government who basically sold out the country to US property development?

    I guess that's better than the country being torn apart by war, but it got torn apart none-the-less.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Are we talking about the same Indonesia where the USA funded and installed a Pro-US puppet government who basically sold out the country to US property development?

    The Very Same!

    I guess that’s better than the country being torn apart by war, but it got torn apart none-the-less.

    It is nearly non-existent in US History textbooks, which is a big fat "W" from the perspective of the capitalist-friendly intelligence services.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Well at least we know the real reason for the murders now. Why it it always the most greedy, predictable cause?

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago

    The tanker was full of fentanOIL…

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  • [–] 88 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    “Where’s my Nobel Peace Prize?”

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    All you get is a soccer peace prize.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Some random trophy from a pawn shop with a fresh coat of gold paint from a spray can should work.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    He reminds me so much of my little nephew sometimes. He's obsessed with trophies and medals. When we're in a store where they sell trophies, he asks me if they are "real" and i try to explain to him that trophies aren't "real" they are just a symbol. Sometimes for nothing. And he tries to understand. And then when i ask him if i should buy him a meaningless trophy, he goes yes pleeeease, a big one.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Time to determine on who's command this was done, and follow down the complete chain to the bottom.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Why? The one giving the order on the top is ultimately responsible. Insubordination against king Donald of Orange the First will probably get you court martialed and hanged...

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    not the point, though. The Cowards are using him as a shield. They have been for years. They are every bit as much to blame as he is (and he absolutely is to blame, just not the only one). Once this all falls apart they will say it was all his idea and blame him for everything, to avoid criminal repercussions. People will be so happy to see the king fall that they will give all of The Cowards immunity just to get rid of him, and the cycle will continue.

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