I've always learned it comes from damaged hair cells inside the ear, how could it be anything but physical? Very surprised it can be picked up with a microphone in an anechoic chamber though
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Here is an interview with her. She had it bad:
“I do have a chronic health condition, which made it difficult to pinpoint if it was that that was suddenly getting worse, or whether it was [the damage to the ear] that was causing neurological changes, but I literally couldn’t walk straight; I was having what looked like strokes where I would collapse.” A violinist, she was told by doctors to give up playing. When the COVID pandemic arrived a few months in, she was forced to shield because of ultimately false suspicions that she had MS. “I got really frustrated,” De La Mata says. “I wasn’t getting any of the answers I wanted. It was, ‘Your hearing is fine, you’re young, you’re healthy,’ and it’s like, well clearly I’m not if I can’t walk and people are feeding me.”
https://thequietus.com/interviews/lola-de-la-mata-oceans-on-azimuth-tinnitus-interview/
"you're young, you're healthy", and its like, well clearly I'm not if I can't walk and people are feeding me.
Yup, sounds like a doctor alright
I've had my own fair share of doctors not believing my struggles. Sometimes even directly getting in the way of medical help. And yes, it's incredibly unhelpful.
I spent 20 years trying to find a rheumatologist who would take my positive lupus test results, symptoms, extensive family history, and potential comorbidities seriously and give me a diagnosis and treatment. Nobody would listen until I was 23 because I was "too young." After 23, they started accusing me of just wanting medical marijuana.
At 27 I finally found a doctor that would take me seriously. We spent 2 hours going over the 15 years of medical records of mine that are accessible digitally, as well as some physical records from before that that my mother kept in a safe. The doctor ordered an absurd amount of tests and gave me a diagnosis when they all came back indicating that I, indeed, have lupus. She saw the same results in all of my records, too. I've tested positive and have had all of the other indicators my entire life. Like I am a textbook case of Systemic Lupus Erythematous that attacks the joints and connective tissue.
She started me on treatment and for the first time in my life, I'm not ruled by my pain and fatigue. I actually have a life now. I have started doing things that I've always dreamed of doing because now I can. I'm not chained to my bed anymore.
All of the doctors that refused to treat me despite positive test results and symptoms because I was "too young" or "just wanting marijuana" can rot in Hell. "Do not harm" my ass. I spent twenty years suffering, with multiple pediatricians and general practitioners sending me to every rheumatologist they knew of to try to get treatment for what they, non-specialists, believe I suffer from.
I drive two and a half hours one way every 6 months to see my rheumatologist and it's worth it because she gave me my life. I'd say she gave my life back to me, but I never had one to begin with. I'm actually living now. 20 years too late if you ask me, but better late than never.
To be fair, did she even try yoga?
A violinist, she was told by doctors to give up playing.
i've had doctors recommend similar. i've basically learned MDs gave up all their dreams and they expect us to do so as well
Mine doesn't sound quite like that, but it did get a little better for a while after listening to that.
Holy shit mine too! Mines much higher pitch but it was also briefly relieved. Ima keep that video in my pocket..
I wonder if there’s a way to tune that to match and negate an individual’s sound waves…
Oh, I think I would go insane if I constantly had to hear something. It already weirds me out that people hear things that aren't actually there and this is a thing that actually is.
It's always there, but that doesn't mean one constantly hears it. I'm listening to music a lot, so then I don't hear it. When I skateboard or do any other sports I don't hear it, et cetera. Only when it's quiet I sometimes become aware of it, but because of habituation I usually unconsciously ignore it just as quickly. It does happen that sometimes in bed I keep focusing on it to the point it annoys me, but fortunately that's rare. Not being able to experience absolute silence in a forest anymore disappoints me though; c'est la vie.
That being said, I'm probably in the camp of people whose condition is mild. It must indeed be horrible for people whose tinnitus overpowers all other sounds.
My tinnitus is at the very upper frequency range of my ability to hear, right around 13,000 Hz (I'm 60). Fortunately, I don't notice it except in a quiet room.
extremely dumb question, but would a very loud 13kHz sound kill the cochlear cells that detect that specific frequency?
now we're onto something. shoot that tinnitus dead with high frequency sound lasers
Tinnitus is typically induced by exposure to loud noise in the first place, so your proposal could as well make it worse.
A few rock concerts should take care of that, then.
i had decent pitch before my tinnitus, but it rings at a constant e8. now i have perfect pitch.
Nice ! that's two octaves higher than my highest e on the guitar (first string, twelvth fret). I could definitely use this
tinnitus
Nice!
😅
now I have perfect pitch.
Nice !
I know, I know, I was just kidding 😉
What lind of Horton Hears a Who shit is this?
My tinnitus is a real vibration and not faulty signals from dead hair cells in my inner ear?
Seriously?
I thought otoacoustic emissions were known for a while, but I guess confirming that tinnitus is (or can be) an OAE might be promising for treatment.
I got rid of my handheld game after I noticed my thumb was starting to twitch while I was at rest.
Apparently, the same thing can happen with ears.
This is quite the opposite of what the image macro says
According to the macro, the ear is actually producing sounds. Sounds are vibrations. Apparently, the ear continues to vibrate without stimulation, the same way my thumb kept moving even if there was no game.
How is it 'the opposite?'
edit = nontechnical article. https://guildofscientifictroubadours.com/2024/06/09/recording-tinnitus-as-it-happens-for-art-and-science/
I had to find the source article. I was too fascinated.
https://thequietus.com/interviews/lola-de-la-mata-oceans-on-azimuth-tinnitus-interview/
Next time I'm gonna have to make the source thingy bigger. I put it up above. Not criticizing you, saying sorry that I wasn't more obvious with my thing and made you go lookin'. But it is a fascinating article
I saw it but I thought it was a link for the source for the tweet not the source for the original article. I wasn't motivated enough to check it because of my assumption.
I thought tinnitis is where your brain can't filter it out? I think most people can hear a sound anywhere if they focus on it.
Almost. Tinnitus is constant ear ringing. Like a high pitched, constant noise. It does vary in intensity in people who have it though and is not always noticeable. (I don't have tinnitus, so may not be 100% accurate)
When your brain can't filter out sounds, that is one of the side effects of audio processing disorder. Probably a lot of other things that cause it too. Audio processing disorder is exactly what it sounds like. You can hear, but its hard to understand. Can't filter sounds (you hear all sounds at their actual volume). Sometimes causes people to think I am hearing impaired. Frequently causes me to mishear things as completely different, unrelated sounds. Many people also have difficulty determining which direction noises come from, although I haven't personally experienced this
Its literally sounds that other people can’t hear because they are generated by your own ear ears. Typically, it’s from something damaged in your ear or excess earwax.
It’s not constant, necessarily. It’s also not always ringing. And, you might not hear it in both ears.
For me, I do hear ringing often but not constantly. Sometimes, I just hear a high pitched squeal for a bit. Sometimes it’s the unlike 30 seconds and sometimes it’s much longer.
The symptom that stands out most, is the static sound. It’s like the sound you hear when you tune a tv or a radio to empty station. It mostly happens if the environment is too loud. That could be loud music/tv, a crowd of people, or maybe even just someone speaking loudly.
Most of the time, it’s just kinda annoying and not too bad. If I hear static, I know I’m in an environment that is too loud, and I need to do something to protect the hearing I still have.
Much like our visual processing, sound goes through a series of neural gates before you witness it. Nothing is truly what you perceive. Fight me about it.
I thought that was my brain sound
Wait what? I can literally put my head to my kids ear and she can hear my tinnitus. How is this news?
Wait what??
This is the one thing I don’t like about some doctors and scientists: they think they know everything, and in doing so they become lazy and dismissive (or they only care about money and fame). They should always be curious, and always seek to find the next truth, no matter what the general consensus is in the community. Good on De La Mata for challenging the status quo.
that's a good philosophy in general. but I'm practice, it's hard.
for every million "that can't be" theories only a handful pan out. doing every "stupid" experiment is practically impossible.
This is literally an example of a scientist being curious about something they don't know and setting up an extremely far fetched experiment.
some doctors and scientists
The person you are replying to very clearly did not mean all doctors and scientists.
I took his comment to mean the people who accepted that tinnitus was not physical.
Rarely, the sound may be heard by someone other than the patient by using a stethoscope, in which case it is known as "objective tinnitus". Occasionally, spontaneous otoacoustic emissions, sounds produced normally by the inner ear, may result in tinnitus.
It's not ‘physical’ in most cases. Or rather, it's not acoustic but electric instead.
It’s the same logic and immigrants are lazy and stealing all the benefits of society.
That logic is: someone invented a stereotype and people ran with it instead of being curious and doing science

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