▲ 703 ▼ What the fuck (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 11 months ago by Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments Source
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 11 points 11 months ago (11 children) Why would a damaged hair cell make noise? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] derek@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago (3 children) If you close your eyes tightly you can induce the perception of color. If you stand in a doorway and lift your arms to the side so that the backs of your hands are pressing against the inside of the door frame, keep pressing for 60 seconds, then step out of the doorway and relax your arms: it'll feel like your arms are floating. The body's systems are complex and part of reliably filtering signal from noise in such systems is establishing a baseline while in a steady state. Our brains are pretty good at filtering out noise but the pressures or degradations which lead to tinnitus seem to trick the brain into accepting some noise as signal. If you're looking for a deep dive then the following paper does an excellent job of outling what we know and what our best guesses are so far: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987724002718 It's jargon-laden but nothing someone armed with a dictionary can't handle. 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Right, but I'm not talking about perceiving noise, I'm talking about creating noise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derek@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago Ah. My bad. That's kind of covered indirectly within the third reference paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959438808000871) and more-so in this paper: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2724262 Part of the process for our hearing involves otoacoustic emission (wikipedia), i.e., creating sound. My arm-chair understanding is that we think this part of the process misbehaving is a main contributor for objective tinnitus and why we can record it under the right circumstances. tl;dr: ear too loud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago I'm in the same spot. Obviously I believe it happens if I'm reading it from a credible source, but the idea that a hair makes sound that other people can record and hear doesn't make sense. How does it do that?? permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) They're screaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE permalink fedilink source parent [–] numlok@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago Maybe it's like the way microphones and speakers are basically the same hardware, with the cells surrounding the hair in your ear canal vibrating those hairs "out" at high frequency for some reason. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago Somebody much smarter than me will be able provide answers! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) The hair cell's whole job is to send neuronal signal when there's vibration at its specific frequency. It's entirely conceivable that a cell would get stuck in the ‘send signal’ mode when damaged, just as it can go the other way and send no signal ever anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 0 points 11 months ago Right, which would make the owner of the hair percieve a sound that isn't happening. The novel part is other people being able to hear it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derek@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago (3 children) If you close your eyes tightly you can induce the perception of color. If you stand in a doorway and lift your arms to the side so that the backs of your hands are pressing against the inside of the door frame, keep pressing for 60 seconds, then step out of the doorway and relax your arms: it'll feel like your arms are floating. The body's systems are complex and part of reliably filtering signal from noise in such systems is establishing a baseline while in a steady state. Our brains are pretty good at filtering out noise but the pressures or degradations which lead to tinnitus seem to trick the brain into accepting some noise as signal. If you're looking for a deep dive then the following paper does an excellent job of outling what we know and what our best guesses are so far: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987724002718 It's jargon-laden but nothing someone armed with a dictionary can't handle. 🙂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Right, but I'm not talking about perceiving noise, I'm talking about creating noise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derek@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago Ah. My bad. That's kind of covered indirectly within the third reference paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959438808000871) and more-so in this paper: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2724262 Part of the process for our hearing involves otoacoustic emission (wikipedia), i.e., creating sound. My arm-chair understanding is that we think this part of the process misbehaving is a main contributor for objective tinnitus and why we can record it under the right circumstances. tl;dr: ear too loud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago I'm in the same spot. Obviously I believe it happens if I'm reading it from a credible source, but the idea that a hair makes sound that other people can record and hear doesn't make sense. How does it do that?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Right, but I'm not talking about perceiving noise, I'm talking about creating noise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derek@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago Ah. My bad. That's kind of covered indirectly within the third reference paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959438808000871) and more-so in this paper: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2724262 Part of the process for our hearing involves otoacoustic emission (wikipedia), i.e., creating sound. My arm-chair understanding is that we think this part of the process misbehaving is a main contributor for objective tinnitus and why we can record it under the right circumstances. tl;dr: ear too loud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago I'm in the same spot. Obviously I believe it happens if I'm reading it from a credible source, but the idea that a hair makes sound that other people can record and hear doesn't make sense. How does it do that?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derek@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago Ah. My bad. That's kind of covered indirectly within the third reference paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959438808000871) and more-so in this paper: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2724262 Part of the process for our hearing involves otoacoustic emission (wikipedia), i.e., creating sound. My arm-chair understanding is that we think this part of the process misbehaving is a main contributor for objective tinnitus and why we can record it under the right circumstances. tl;dr: ear too loud. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago I'm in the same spot. Obviously I believe it happens if I'm reading it from a credible source, but the idea that a hair makes sound that other people can record and hear doesn't make sense. How does it do that?? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) They're screaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) They're screaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] numlok@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago Maybe it's like the way microphones and speakers are basically the same hardware, with the cells surrounding the hair in your ear canal vibrating those hairs "out" at high frequency for some reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago Somebody much smarter than me will be able provide answers! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) The hair cell's whole job is to send neuronal signal when there's vibration at its specific frequency. It's entirely conceivable that a cell would get stuck in the ‘send signal’ mode when damaged, just as it can go the other way and send no signal ever anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 0 points 11 months ago Right, which would make the owner of the hair percieve a sound that isn't happening. The novel part is other people being able to hear it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 0 points 11 months ago Right, which would make the owner of the hair percieve a sound that isn't happening. The novel part is other people being able to hear it too. permalink fedilink source parent