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[–] 143 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the "centrist", only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Gavin never supported progressive ideals?

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it's just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah and while he’s probably not enough of a progressive, he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.

    It needs to be nationwide, but Newsom probably wouldn’t do that as president either. Too many billionaire pals and donors.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.

    That basically never actually happens. See: New York.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Billionaire tax should be 99%, no breaks or deductions. Boom I said it.

    Even double digit millionaires shouldn't exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Anything networh over 10 million should be taxed 100%. hard stop, hard cap.

    Companies too should now be able to grow beyond 1 billion in net worth. Anything over that, 100% tax

    NO MORE MULTIMILLIONAIRES! NOT ANYWHERE

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I meant to say 99% (probably should add the .99) of their net worth, as opposed to what was earned in the last year.

    I'm not trying to literally tax them to literal death, just back down to regular people levels.

    Make some kinda cutoff for retirement, but then impose a tax specifically for commercial interest purchases/expenditures.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I meant to say 100%. After, say, 10 million, 100% goes to tax

    For retirement, everyone gets a pension from the government.

    I don't care if some people are slightly richer than other, almost nobody does, but for centuries now we've permitted insane levels of riches, that has got to stop

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago

    No surprise to anyone who's been paying attention to what he does instead of what he says.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    His sales pitch is centered around "I'm not a Republican^tm^!"

    Most people on this planet don't lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.

    On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it's between him and <insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I'll vote for him.

    However, I'd imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of "friend" of the poor and the middle class.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I'd vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.

    A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn't be voting for him, I'd be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Ladies and gentelmen, California Bush

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    At this point in time I'm pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Well, then, fuck him.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Remember Democrats, if he's the Democrat option come election time it's TOO LATE TO bitch!!

    Fucking primaries!! They matter they are the only real choice! Organize, cavas suppot real progressives!

    But once the national election comes up, I better not hear any fucking bitching, and you better line up becuase 4 years of president Vance is going to kick you in the nuts.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    If I'm forced to vote for this asshole I'm going to bitch the entire time.

    Why? Because it's bullshit and I'm allowed to.

    Fuck the Democratic Party.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't like him, he's just another Republican-lite establishment Democrat, like Obama, or the Clintons. He used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, before she became Don Jr's concubine (Now she's in exile as the Greek Ambassador, to shut her up), so he must be tolerant enough of MAGA nonsense to marry one.

    I'm so sick of these people claiming to be our saviors every four years, and when they get in, they spend ALL their efforts appeasing corrupt pedophile traitors, even when they have the power to crush them.

    We've seen what MAGA is capable of, and what they want in the future. When the power flips, we have to fight fire with fire, and ruthlessly purge MAGA from our government and our society, and I doubt Newsome is the guy for the job. He's just another water-carrier for the Sociopathic Oligarchs, which California has lots of.

    But if he's the nominee, then that's who I'll vote for over ANY MAGA.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    Remember Democrats, if he's the Democrat option come election time it's TOO LATE TO bitch!!

    And that's why I'm not a Democrat.

    Jesus Christ, if you think Presidential primaries matter, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you. If the Democratic primaries weren't rigged to hell and back Bernie would have finished his second term last January. And if Democrats had been allowed to have a primary in 2024 Newsom would probably be president now.

    If you want us to believe that your primaries are an opportunity for actual choice, maybe you shouldn't have appointed a 2024 Presidential candidate who never, in her entire life, won a single fucking primary.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    There were no primaries in 2024....

    Again, you can rage like a lunatic and do nothing productive, or get involved and do to the Democratic party what the tea party did to the Republican party.

    So it's absolutely possible, but just bitching about the system ain't it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    The dems havent had a legitimate primary since Obamas first election and the only reason that happened is because he had undeniable support. They have fucked every primary since, and then wonder why they lose every time it matters.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    There were no primaries in 2024....

    That's the fucking point.

    Don't tell me I can fight the billionaire masters of the Democratic Party in the primaries when those billionaire masters canceled the primaries just last year.

    We need a new progressive movement, not just to outcompete the failed Democrats, but to move this country away from a broken system of electoral politics that lets us "choose" between two oligarchs from the Epstein caste and calls it democracy. We don't need progressives banging their heads against a billionaire funded wall and lending credibility to a rigged primary process through their participation.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    There wasn’t a lot of time for a primary to be fair. A primary would have happened if Biden stuck to his word and stayed a one term candidate.

    Progressives winning primaries through Ranked Choice Voting would be huge. At the least it would give us voters a real clue about how close we are to getting progressives in power instead of just the incumbents.

    Luckily, the Democratic Party has recently supported the idea of using Ranked Choice Voting for primaries.

    A new party can’t get off the ground if the entire voting system moved to Ranked Choice voting. Which can happen on a state by state basis and has already happened in Alaska and Maine.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I agree with supporting real progressives

    I disagree with too late to bitch. The dems fucked Bernie over for Hilary in one of the most corrupt political situations ive ever seen. Either dems can stop providing candidates that dont support genocide and that no one except billionaires want, or they can keep losing to literal fascists. Its a really easy choice for them but they absolutely seem unwilling to make it.

    Gavin Newsom is a right wing candidate. He shouldn't be within a million miles of the presidency.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Is anyone really surprised? He's just a neoliberal that's had a lot of good press this year.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I mean c’mon, let’s not get too carried away, next thing ya know they’ll be wanting to tax the billionaires or something.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Liberals gonna liberal.

    I'd still rather have a capitalist than a fascist.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But milquetoast is losing. People want change. The time to start thinking about alternatives to him is now.

    I think AOC will have a better chance frankly. Particularly if Memdani's momentum continues.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago

    A lefty needs to win a governor seat in a major state first to continue that momentum to the White House. That will give the average blue voter the confidence to vote for a social democrat or socialist in the primaries.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I really hope that Democrats are starting to realize that corporate captured performance artists like Gavin Newsom are why we have been lurching rightward into fascism for 40+ years. They are why there’s been no meaningful opposition. Newsome doesn’t believe in anything beyond a vague allegiance to capital interests and his own career advancement. Sometimes that ethos will cause him to say some good things, and sometimes he’ll do the opposite. But, he’ll never, ever meaningfully change anything at all.

    The best case scenario with a Newsom presidency is that he will preside over a temporary slowing of the collapse, while sowing the seeds of further escalation by the white-identity, religious authoritarian dominionists that are flourishing under trump. Democrats, Americans, and the world deserve much more than him.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I really hope that Democrats are starting to realize that corporate captured performance artists like Gavin Newsom are why we have been lurching rightward into fascism for 40+ years.

    So there are two possible interpretations for why the Democrats are so stubbornly useless:

    1. It's a big club and you ain't in it.

    2. You can't get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.

    Either way there's no "realizing" anything.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Slimey as fuck I hate that guy

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This and he was married to that thing Don Jr. was with.

    Yuck.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Gavin Newsom has always been a slimey shit who is basically a right wing candidate. If the dems could stop fucking giving us right wing or maximum centre right candidates that would be super cool.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I'd vote for Newsom if he's the nominee, but I really hope he's not the nominee (assuming, obviously, the relative utopian future where we get to vote in 2028).

    I'm glad when his media exposure goals overlap with doing actual good things, but - and I may be putting too fine a point on it - he's basically Hillary if Hillary had a penis and was super jazzed about it, and I am fairly confident I know the smug look he makes when he smells his own farts.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I don’t think he’d do well in a primary taking a proactive stance against a billionaire tax

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The DNC has a plan for that where they just ignore the vote and nominate him anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    For every step forward, this prick takes 3 steps back.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Fuck you sleeze bag

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (11 children)

    At some point the left needs to realize that sitting out voting doesn’t work. Yes the candidate sucks from your political stance but they are better than the alternative and it gives a platform from which to push left. This has been the playbook of the right for decades and is why they have been so successful in shifting the Overton window. They vote in any circumstance even if the candidate isn’t as right leaning as they would prefer but to them at least it’s not a dem.

    Edit: to be clear I’m all for taxing billionaires and corporations far more.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Your vote is your voice. A vote is earned not expected.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    As a permanent resident who cannot vote but pays 6 figures in taxes. VOTE. Some of us aren’t so lucky

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I'll never vote for Newsom. I've stated that on here before. He's anti-trans and deep in corporate pockets. The Getty family owns him.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So you’re ok with Trump. Got it. How’s his stance on Trans people?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Burn down that's why needs to be done. So fuck yall hell Newsome already acting like Trump. By 2028 he be the Trump of 2016. The Democrats always move further right. Look at his fucking tweets. You think he just making fun of Trump but worse he thinks acting childish like him will win him those Republican votes.

    Just like Harris running around with the Cheney they rather court Republicans then give progressive an inch. So voting for them or Republican not going do shit. Hell you just going get a blue fascist instead of red.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Here we go again... "If you don't vote for Biden you support Trump!" ... "If you don't vote for Harris you support Trump!" ... "If you don't vote for X you support Trump!"

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I wonder how that works in solid color states. If you vote third party in a solid blue state, does that mean a vote for red? Or is it actually a vote for blue if you ask for a red voter's opinion on the matter?

    Going off the theory that your vote is actually for the person a particular voter opposes, does that mean your protest vote is actually determined by the popular vote? For example, if you protest voted the 2024 election, does that mean you actually voted blue because red won the popular vote? Assuming that every color says the protest vote voted for their enemies.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    Every action is a vote for something. It never hurts to consider the consequences.

    By all means push forward a better candidate than Newsom. And I hope you succeed. But if you don't, and it turns out that in the end it's going to be either Newsom or Vance (or even Trump), then who would you rather have?

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago

    Every vote is a push in one direction or the other in the US. You can vote to push right, you can vote to push left, or you can avoid voting and let the rest of us decide for you. But the last time a bunch of leftists weren't thrilled with the options, the electorate voted to push right. From your valid gripes against Newsom, I'm gonna guess that was not what you wanted.

    Come election day, one of the two candidates is guaranteed to become president. You cannot stop that. I won't try to say Newsom is ideal or even a good candidate. I'd love to see someone else run instead. But if you want an even more leftist candidate next time, the country has to show they'll tolerate movement in that direction, and that means not electing another fucking Republican.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    And Newsom is different from Trump, how exactly? Dude hosted Charlie Kirk and Steve Banon on his podcast, that he wasn't required to do, and didn't question them, just nodded along like Joe Rogan.

    Newsom is shaping up to be a DNC approved Trump at this rate. Loves Nazis, hates taxes, claims to love the real America, hated COVID protections being applied, doesn't care about brown people... Fucker needs to lose in the primary quickly. Assuming we get a fair one.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    We deserve it. Eating our own tail for years as the world burns and everyone points fingers.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I voted for him twice, but that was a solid dick move. Right now, I'm liking Mark Kelly's chances though I'd rather have someone more forward thinking.

    And sorry folks. AOC just hasn't got the experience yet. Senate seat or a Cabinet position first.

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