This is part of what Forrest Gump was about. Think Forrest and Bubba would have made it to boot in the first place?
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McNamara was truly one of the most cold-blooded sociopaths in US history.
The Fog of War is a damn good documentary. I watched it in a college class about the Vietnam War, and that class absolutely radicalized me. There was zero reason for the US to be there.
"Just need a few more million tons of bombs bro. Then the NVA will finally realize that WE'RE the good guys bro."
-- Robert McNamara (Probably)
I understand the program and/or participants were pejoratively referred to as "McNamera's Morons". They had an absolutely dismal survival rate for what I imagine are super obvious reasons. Beyond fucked up and still somehow not in the top 5 of fucked up shit our government and/or military has done to our own citizens.
This is why Forrest and Bubba went to Nam, and why Lt. Dan was not super thrilled to have them in his squad.
I know this sounds cartoonishly evil, but please consider how the unemployment rate went down drastically within this subpopulation.
Now about my newest idea 'tunnel-sized toddlers with claymore mines'
Maybe the real problem was that there weren't enough civilian jobs that could make use of the valuable skills they were taught, like, "how to get shoved into the line of fire while the rest of us run away."
Yeah this is the kind of shit you literally couldn't put into a fictional movie because viewers would not buy that a first-world democracy would do that to their citizens. You'd need an intentionally over-the-top cartoonishly evil fictional entity like Vault-Tec to even approach a "Moron Corps" scenario in fiction...
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I'll take this opportunity to tout a favorite graphic novel.
Big Man Plans.' A slightly off kilter officer recruits a 4-F little person to be a tunnel rat in Vietnam. Then it gets kinda weird...
Didn't they recruit little people to be aircraft mechanics in WWII? They could fit inside fuselages and wings?
I never heard that. They'd have had normal sized women and it's more likely that they'd plan around the building than to rely on little people. Remember that the US was building thousands of planes and ships and needing extra small folks would have created a massive bottleneck.
I did a quick search and nothing came up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovitz_family
Family of 'dwarves' who survived the concentration camps.
Very possible it's some crazy shit I was told as a kid. I'll have to do some digging.
Once in the concentration camp Auschwitz, the Ovitzes attracted the attention of the German camp physician Josef Mengele
Fucking hell.
But they all survived. Let's not forget what happened despite all the ambient bullshit about holocaust denial.
Little people were employed in the building and inspection of B-24s. Henry Ford Collection
Guess there's some sort of truth to what I remember.
promoted as a response to President Lyndon B. Johnson's war on poverty
US war on the poor has been consistently successful.
Part of me really thinks that our entry into Vietnam was partly because there wasn't enough jobs for all the baby boomers that were coming of age, and they needed to cull the numbers a bit.
The reality is worse.
The US was almost totally focused on the Soviet threat after WW2. The US wanted France as a strong ally, so the French coerced the Americans to pick up the torch in Vietnam and help the South beat the North. Eisenhower and Kennedy gave the South 'military advisors' but didn't want to fully commit. Then LBJ became President.
Johnson believed that he could win the War with a massive buildup. His plan backfired, and the US went from having a small force committed to a large force stuck in a quagmire. Johnson didn't want to raise taxes for the War, so he printed money, which lead to inflation.
Nixon got elected as a 'peace candidate.' He then doubled down on LBJ's policies of a big War paid for with paper money. Nixon knew the War was unwinnable; he planned on keeping it going until 1976 when he was out of office.
The inflationary spending was starting to hurt the US economy when the OPEC Oil Embargo hit. That made everything in the US much more expensive. It was so bad under Ford that families that used to be able to do well with one job needed Mom to get a job too.
Jimmy Carter's man, Paul Volker, won the war on inflation, but people only saw results after Carter was out. Reagan got the credit for Volker's plan, but Reagan had his own inflationary program ready to go.
In 1964, before the War ramped up, 'middle class' was one Union job supporting a family of four with enough money to send the kids to college and have some luxuries. In those days, $1 million was a vast fortune. By 1993, when George Bush Sr. was done, 'middle class' was two incomes to keep a household going. In 1993, $1 million was what a rich guy paid for a party.
The basic flaw of you thinking is that there was ever a “reason” the US entered that war.
There wasn’t one. There was just lots of justifications for why te US had to stay in it.
Please don't use the "US is evil" argument to justify not knowing history.
I am not using that justification and I am well aware of the history of the US involvement in the Vietnam war.
The war transcended five presidential administration and everyone of them inherited the shit show from the last.
The MAGA crowd meets the conscription criteria and they're ready for the jungles in Venezuela.
"Each soldier was then issued an AR-15 rifle, three clips of NATO 7.62 mm rounds... "
That's one of my favorite Onion articles and I never noticed this detail.
Can someone who knows guns explain why this is funny?
Short answer is that it's the wrong ammo and won't fit in the gun.
There are AR-15s that use 7.62, jokingly called "AR-47". They're not using 7.62 NATO though.
I'm sure there's a .308 Winchester version of an AR-15 out there though, which is basically the same thing.
Isn't this just eugenics?
No because its poor people and they aren’t considered humans to anybody in the upper class.
They were mentally challenged people.
From the poorest communities. I don't see rich disabled people on the front lines in any timeline. Almost like your income is used to discriminate in a system designed ages ago for kings and Queens but fuck me for saying we just put a new coat of paint on the old systems.
I think Poutine has been doing this since 2022 too!
There was Cleveland, he was from Detroit...
Great share, thanks!
That's what the movie Full Metal Jacket was half about
I encourage you all to read "the plutonium files" if you'd like to read about even more fucked up shit the US govt has done.
So the possibility Ogryn's used in combat are more realistic than I expected.
And remember boys and girls, these are the actions of good Christian people, which tells you a lot about what Christianity is about. Just to be clear, this isn't exceptionally bad behavior for Christians, this is pretty much the standard, I'd expect no less from them.
Fuck ALL religions, all religions are evil and all religions should be prohibited as it's all just an excuse to be an asshole and yet appear pious. Fuck it all
Lmao. The article says nothing about religion. Do do you just like proselytizing? You should consider joining a church if you have that level of fanaticism
Maybe he's referring to the fact that McNamara, the architect of this and all-around terrible person, was an Elder in his Presbyterian church during the time he was also conceiving and running this program. IDK, that's the first direct connection I could find. That, and a lot of this was under Kennedy, who was famously and publicly and proudly the first Catholic president. So I agree it's not a great look for Kennedy in terms of his Catholicism being a major part of his identity, to have allowed his SecDef to run this program on "the least among us" if you will.
You sound Christian. Try thinking around your brainwashing and you will see it’s all a tool to make you feel good about your in group to the point they can do no wrong. Same with Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, any and all of them.
They make you feel powerful via strength in numbers, following shallow rules that, to be fair, can keep you healthy (Halal and Kosher are mostly about preventing food poisoning and/or unhealthy eating habits), etc
And then they say “give all your material value to us! For the cause!” or else sky daddy is going to smite you! Or punish you for ETERNITY!
You must do what this human man said a god says to do or else the god will torture you endlessly sums up like 99% of all organized religions.
Pretty fucking sus.
Is this your first day on the left side of the interwebs? Atheists and agnostics are the norm. We're mostly over it and not every shitty thing done is a direct religious issue.
Religion is just another control. Causes not symptoms.
This. I won't hate on someone for their beliefs. I will not tolerate hate and intolerance though. I will judge you by your actions and inactions. Ya wanna worship TFSM, cool, wear your collander in pride. Go forth and show peace to all, I shall not infringe.
see also: Conscription of people with disabilities. It's ongoing in present-day Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Defence Ministry amended the criteria for medical exemptions, reclassifying people with tuberculosis, viral hepatitis, thyroid disease and HIV to be fit for military service
I think that's a bit different than drafting mentally challenged people to be canon fodder
***Numerous Ukrainians with disabilities have been drafted over the course of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[4][5][6] ***The Ukrainian Defence Ministry amended the criteria for medical exemptions, reclassifying people with tuberculosis, viral hepatitis, thyroid disease and HIV to be fit for military service.[7] On 22 October 2024, Ukrainian president Zelenskyy sign a decree which dissolved the medical examination commissions for determining the severity of disabilities that qualified for military exemptions.[8] On 8 July 2025, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights published a report which acknowledged "***systemic and documented human rights violations under martial law" ***which included the conscription of people with disabilities.[9]
you think there might be a difference between russia drafting mentally challenged canon fodder for a baseless war of attrition and Ukraine doing whatever it needs to to stay alive? maybe? a little difference?
Yes there is. I wholely believe there is. But the claim was "they don't draft the mentally ill" and was proven wrong.
Ukraine is better fighting for its survival. Russia is an oppressor trying to colonize.
But the claim was wrong, the commentor was downvoted for giving a link, and someone who clipped only a chunk of a paragraph that proved them wrong was upvoted. That's Fox News shit.
oh dang, then you almost made a point then. nice job!
Because it seemed like you were trying to say that Ukraine was drafting mentally challenged people, and was just as bad as russia for doing so. but it turns out that they just adjusted their acceptance standards and dissolved a commission. Good thing we know now that the point you tried to make was pointless distraction, and that my original comment is a far better interpretation of the actual events.
typical .ml
***Numerous Ukrainians with disabilities have been drafted over the course of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[4][5][6] ***The Ukrainian Defence Ministry amended the criteria for medical exemptions, reclassifying people with tuberculosis, viral hepatitis, thyroid disease and HIV to be fit for military service.[7] On 22 October 2024, Ukrainian president Zelenskyy sign a decree which dissolved the medical examination commissions for determining the severity of disabilities that qualified for military exemptions.[8] On 8 July 2025, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights published a report which acknowledged "***systemic and documented human rights violations under martial law" ***which included the conscription of people with disabilities.[9]
.ml sucks but if you actually looked at the wikipedia article, you'd see this is a broken clock moment.
***Numerous Ukrainians with disabilities have been drafted over the course of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[4][5][6] ***The Ukrainian Defence Ministry amended the criteria for medical exemptions, reclassifying people with tuberculosis, viral hepatitis, thyroid disease and HIV to be fit for military service.[7] On 22 October 2024, Ukrainian president Zelenskyy sign a decree which dissolved the medical examination commissions for determining the severity of disabilities that qualified for military exemptions.[8] On 8 July 2025, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights published a report which acknowledged "***systemic and documented human rights violations under martial law" ***which included the conscription of people with disabilities.[9]
They're downvoting you because they cherry picked from this entire paragraph. Amazing reading levels from .world.
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