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[–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"ai powered map" why the fuck would I want that?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Redmond, WA had the people that built Windows. The ones that wrecked it, I presume came from Silicon Valley.

    Sure AI can help people learn the basics and get prototypes going, but if that mapping tool is made for anything beyond entertainment I wouldn't touch it with a 3-metre pole.

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    [–] 29 points 11 months ago

    She talked about Copilot 365. And Microsoft AI. And every miserable AI tool she's forced to use at work. My product barely featured. Her reaction wasn't about me at all. It was about her entire environment.

    Bro should ask a coal miner what they think about their bbq grill next time.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago

    The author of this article is literally the Principal Skinner meme

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    I'm pretty sure that a lot of people outside Seattle, also hates AI...

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah if AI was actually good you wouldn't need to mandate it. No one was like "everyone here must use Google search".

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Microsoft when Bing first came out was literally like "it is highly recommended that everyone here use Bing Search".

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Also there was a brief time within the Linux community, hen asking for solutions in forums were disencouraged in favor of using Google, especially as that time Google was seen as a force of good, as Chrome wasn't the RAM-eating beast powering almost all browsers and ~80% of desktop apps, also not even the content ID system was implemented on YouTube. This made the Linux community more toxic to newbies, hindering its adoption rates to this day, with memes claiming "you should google forums telling you to google the problem".

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So, the people in companies pushing and making this AI slop treat it like toxic waste, and the author thinks that they're the problem?

    I suddenly want to look at his AI map thingy and see how bad it is.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    This whole article is just a condescending mess.

    "Why does everyone who has been repeatedly burned by AI, time and time again, whether that be through usable software becoming crammed full of useless AI features, AI making all the information they get less reliable, or just having to hear people evangelize about AI all day, not want to use my AI-based app that takes all the fun out of deciding where you go on your vacation???"

    (yes, that is actually the entire proposed app. A thing where you say where you're going, and it generates an itinerary. Its only selling point over just using ChatGPT directly is that it makes sure the coordinates of each thing are within realistic travel restrictions. That's it.)

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    I didn't fully grok how tone deaf I was being though.

    WTF does this mean???

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    "Grok" was briefly a real(ish) word back in the 60's, after Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land first came out. It faded into obscurity over the last few decades until Elon ressurected it, and now writers are unironically utilizing it again for some reason.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    People using the word "grok" has always been a red flag. The people who read stranger in a strange land and identified with it so much they started using the word are fucking weirdos. The book is about a child adopted by Martians who inherited their reality-bending mind powers, comes back to earth as an adult and creates a nudist sex cult. Basically Jared Leto. I'm not joking, that's the book.

    It was always elder developers who didn't wear shoes and had trouble with personal space.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    https://hackersdictionary.com/html/entry/grok.html

    I read it in my early twenties, almost twenty years ago. I am not a developer but am in the same area. I always wear some form of shoes when I leave my house unless I enter someone else's house. I don't think I have trouble with personal space but I don't really see anyone other than my wife and kid.

    I remember liking some of the themes of the book but, reflecting on it now, yes, Heinlein can be problematic.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    There is no problem with having read the book, there's no problem with liking it. I did both, the first time i read it I thought it was cool. I'm more taking about people who made the nude sex cult book part of their personality enough to use the word grok unironically.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    It's a useful word with no direct equivalent in English. You don't need to integrate the cult aspect of the book into your identity to understand that.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Sure, I might even give those people some grace over the people who use it cause they want to be Jared Leto, or one of Jared Leto's sex cult friends in the book.

    It's actually still a red flag, unfortunately. The only people who use Grok have a terrible understanding of other people, like the dude in this article. That's part of the problem. Either you're jumping off the same bridge as your weirdo colleagues, you identify with the nudist-cult Martian, or you have such trouble being understood, or understanding neurotypical people, you think you need a new word.

    It's like people who use Na'vi, you can make up anything and say it's anything and people who have trouble with reality will identify themselves by using that nonsense in normal conversation. You're never gonna make fetch happen, it's just tedious.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    or you have such trouble being understood, or understanding neurotypical people, you think you need a new word.

    My background pretty heavily leans toward comp-sci and hacker culture, and "grok" in those circles is almost never used in the context of people, so I find it a bit odd that this is what you seem to be focusing on. It had very little to do with the difficulty of understanding other people, and much more to do with the understanding of a language, or nuanced hardware interactions, or programming techniques.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok#In_computer_programmer_culture

    For what it's worth, I agree on your specifics, and if someone is frequently making statements about being unable to grok others, or others not being able to grok them, than it's at the very least off-putting.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oh no, I'm the first person who told you this behavior is weird huh. I'm sorry.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Eh, no skin off my back. Pretty sure if you search my comment history for the word "grok" this comment chain is the only time I've ever used it. It's not a regular part of my speech, I just never interpreted it in the way you were saying.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You've moved my opinion on this definitely, I have never been inside that world, but I engage with it all the time because of my work.

    Rather than being something strange and wrong, it's just a thing that works, and that's why you guys adopt it. Like rubber duck programming.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I read it as a teenager and wasn't particularly impressed. As an adult I reread it after hearing it was a "classic" and I couldn't even make it halfway through. Absolutely agree that liking that book is a red flag

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago
    [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    This reads like someone who wants to write on linked in but couldn't even be taken seriously there.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    This author was sooo close to get it

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    I don't think she's wrong. Treating Generative AI LLM'S as an innovation and studying it to see what it can do and how it can benefit a business makes as much sense as with any other innovation.

    Pretending it is the panacea to all that ails every company in spite of the rot it's actually directly causing is the problem, but the solution isn't to change the way we implement AI.

    It's fruit of the poison tree at this point. You're asking someone who's already been burned by the fire that's been let to rage out of control to build a smaller more manageable fire, and expecting them to just overcome a fear response because the fire hasn't burned you personally.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    My most optimistic take on all this is that at least it's an innoculative response. These LLMs are all a very poor fit for the tasks that are being demanded of them but it's at least shown us what an effort to implement AI is going to look like. The effects that capitalism will have on its development over that of purely scientific research. Who is going to embrace it and why, and how they intend to use it.

    Inwardly I ask myself what it is I think I would even want out of AI at this point and it's honestly very little. Generative and general AIs even in their theoretical form do not address any of the actual problems I have in my day to day life. I cannot even fit an ideal version into my worldview and maybe that's a lack of imagination on my part, but having grown up reading decades of sci-fi, I don't believe so.

    When something truly new and transformative is invented, we will know. The inevitability will not need to be explained to us.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    It was a good idea to harness fire, though, right? E: Nevermind, I re-read your comment and you basically say that in the first sentence.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm not saying that the AI is bad in and of itself. I'm just saying that essentially you can't blame the people of Japan for not liking nukes after we nuked them twice (the perhaps most devastating use of harnessed fire, in my probably not very good analogy).

    If we want to make something good from AI, continuing down this path isn't the way after it's actively harmed so many people. Doesn't mean Nuclear power plants aren't a good idea. Or something. I don't even know anymore. This analogy has gotten so far away from me.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I didn't fully grok how tone deaf I was being though.

    It's nice to see grok being used in the Heinlein sense and not the Musk sense. The article tracks with my experience, anyway. People who use AI how they choose are generally seeing a return. People who are forced to use it to do things it can't do... hate it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago