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[–] 175 points 11 months ago (17 children)

First: It's funny, because it is happening to Russians

Second: It's fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.

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  • [+] -1 points 11 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'll keep my unkillable Gen 2 Prius. 281,000 miles on the odometer, original engine, replaced the hybrid battery a few years back with a brand new one from Toyota (that I installed myself after convincing a dealership to just sell one to me) and knock on wood, but that's the last maintenance item I've even had to spend any money on.

    Too bad quality dropped off after the Gen 2 years.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I had a gen 2. I only got rid of it because I had kids and needed a bit more space. That thing was reliable asf. I did the struts on it once which was a bit of a pain in the ass (you have to disassemble a lot of the interior to get to the top nut) other than that, the only thing I ever did was oil and brakes and had 0 issues. Thankfully I avoided catalytic converter theft which is a huge problem with those in CA. My next car (Lexus Rx hybrid) I wasn't so lucky.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I have a 2014 and a 2017 with no required connections. Your point?

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Good for you, now let us see you do it again with a '25

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    What's up with hating every person born in Russia? Will never get it. I mean, a car shutting down sounds like life-threatening.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This isn't happening to every person in Russia, it's happening to every person in Russia with a modern Porsche.

    Assumptions can be made about the sample set.

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  • [–] 113 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn't care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.

    then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn't care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.

    then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Just got a dishwasher and it doesn't even have an app. How can that be?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    and I owned nothing

    Companies love that, until everybody is completely in debt and they learn you can't seize property from people that don't own anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I think you are too nice.
    they are actively trying to own everything.
    And then they don't need to seize anything, because you are forced to work to the bone (even more than you are right now) to just afford your own house rent/property tax.

    Companies love to become like old Lord and counts and own the land/products and you just rent and work for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Not as much of a stop as you would think. Historically speaking Ford motor company already tried basically enslaving indigenous people on the Amazon for rubber production. Most of the cotton in the US (and many other industries) was done by black slaves. Current fishing in south east Asia (and other places I'm sure) can have slaving with extra steps on a boat. Apple/Nike and other big brand factories in chine have had nets installed to prevent suicides, etc. There is no stopping the horrible disease that is wealth hoarding and human exploration it seems.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:

    It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it's a manual so there's no way for it to turn on or off remotely.

    Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (11 children)

    It's a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner's consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.

    If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don't live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Feature is based on the same tech implementation as these SOS/Service call buttons almost every modern car has. It uses IoT sim.

    People who have SOS/Service call button in their cars are also falling under this issue except it would only affect cars that has been outside of russian cellular towers for over 72h.

    Also, maybe this is happening due to Porsche not willing to extend IoT sim subscriptions for russian citizens making their sims essentially to be disabled. But I am not sure how car manufacturer IoT sim contracts work. For a typical company/private person IoT sim contract is for 10 years with typically 1gb of data for the same timeframe. If car manufacturer contract is similar to that, this may be the reason why their cars are bricking.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Would kinda make sense, around 2015 was the time when these things were starting to get fairly common in high end cars. 2015 was also a facelift year for the second gen Cayenne, so it may well be that they introduced new features. I'm assuming a lot of those cars are Cayennes, because it's the most commonly sold model and the stereotypical cars of New Russians are luxury cars and SUVs, not sports cars. Though of course that is just a stereotype.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Living in Russia in Moscow/Petersburg is actually really nice these days.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    I mean if I was a rich ethnic Russian in either of those cities, I'd probably love it.

    I'm Estonian though, don't speak any more Russian than yes, no, please, thank you and go fuck yourself. Of course I also understand when being asked for a cigarette - an absolute necessity in Estonia (though these days you're very unlikely to get attacked for not providing said cigarettes - 20-30 years ago was different, but I wasn't exactly old enough to smoke then)

    But overall I'm glad I don't live in Russia because I don't agree with the politics. Even before the current war, I'm sure I would've been seen as a dissident. I'm sure the people of Russia are actually mostly very nice. It's also cheaper than a lot of western countries so working remotely, I'm sure I would've been able to live very comfortably before the war. I just wouldn't ever want to live under Putin rule and I wouldn't really want to live in a country with so many nationalists (US, if I ever moved there, would be a bit easier, because it's more about race than nationality and I'm white)

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Living in Petersburg being nice? I dunno

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The one in Florida certainly sucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I was thinking more about all the dismemberment and depression jokes about the one on Neva with the Aurora cruiser docker yadda-yadda

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's the weather, probably. Something for the natives, and Finns maybe.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but at the same time - the weather in Vyborg is fine by me, and the weather in Narva\Ivangorod. But the place between them (one the coast) is somehow far more depressive.

    And I don't think I've heard Helsinki being called depressive.

    It's something about planning, perhaps? Streets are laid out so that you feel as if you were in a military location. People live in those historical beautiful buildings as if they were birds making nests under the roof, as if people were not the main thing there.

    And places around SPb, like Strelna, are also not depressive at all. At least in my perception. That air flavored with Baltic salt, every sea smells differently, the Baltic water smell is nice, in some way similar to Coca-Cola.

    It's the city itself.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    And this is why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.

    I have just too little control with newer vehicles, be it having to auth with the mothership with every repair I do at home just to get it to start up, or even failing to start up in the first place when the mothership could not be contacted.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Not only due (or probably not even because of) Satellite system failure.

    In order to fight drones flying over the border from Ukraine, Russia implemented new restrictions to cellular connections. From like last 2 weeks they made so that when a sim card that enters russian border, it will be denied cellular connection for 24 hours. This also include russian sim cards that have been not connected to russian cellular network for over 72 hours.

    Almost every modern car today has a sim that communicates with servers all the time. It is just that Porsche also has this feature that can track car remotely and immobilize on demand. It utilizes this type of sim card. Porsche itself has nothing to do with why they are bricked. It is a byproduct of russian attempts at preventing drone attacks which backfires spectacularly.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.

    Also, what a strangely written article.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Remember when they started this with games? It would phone home every time you started it up and make sure your license was valid.

    And then companies stopped supporting the game or went out of business. And all of a sudden no one could play those games anymore.

    Now they're doing it with cars. How long until that expensive car you bought is no longer supported and you have to upgrade to the new model?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Owners welcomed theft deterrent like that. OnStar is probably the main original US service, found in GM cars. I think Subaru picked them up at some point, but basically all new cars have the option to have manufacturer tracking and app-based vehicle connections for remote start, tracking, service alerts, diagnostic uploads, etc

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But who steals a Porsche? 1 in 4 Lexus SUVs are stolen because where they end up in eastern europe and Africa, people want reliable vehicles. Top two stolen vehicles by far are Civics and Accords for that reason. No one steals Land Rovers.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I don't know about Russian thefts, but US Theives will absolutely go for a Porsche. Not every theft is shipped overseas. Fast, flashy cars are stolen to thrash for a couple days and then wreck them. So, sure, by raw numbers, I'm sure honda and Toyota top the list. That doesn't mean Porsche is off the list - the stat is higher per capita. I mean, Kias are top of the list in the US Midwest and they are NOT being shipped. Even those are just stolen for joyride. The 3rd category is stripping them for parts. No hotwiring/fob spoofing, no complicated theft. Winch it up on a flatbed faster than the owner can respond.

    Ask any Porsche owner if they're afraid of theft. I promise, every one of them will say yes

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Good thing this is a completely optional "feature" that I'd never pay for

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    I wish people (especially journalists) would get it through their skulls already:

    • Vehicles don't communicate with satellites.
    • GNSS (like GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, or BeiDou) do not use two way communication.
    • The satellite can therefore not know the position of a GNSS receiver.
    • Instead the satellites send timestamps and their positions, the receiver uses that information to calculate its own position. If the system with the receiver needs to report its position to someone they typically use some form of terrestrial communication, like mobile phone networks.

    With that knowledge the comment by /u/imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com makes a lot more sense than whatever the article is trying to imply about satellite failures.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    "smart" cars

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I'm seeing a lot of sudden unexpected failures in Russia these days, I wonder if they're pulling out the old cold war style subterfuge/sabotage playbooks from the CIA.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Why not do cars need internet access in order to start?

    I understand having auxiliary services the network connected but surely the failure mode should just be an error on the screen but otherwise the car should still function. It's not like operating without internet access is dangerous or anything.

    Also, why don't we just do that, cut Russias internet access, it seems like it would cause utter chaos.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's the reason why no one steals Teslas. Easy to brick, impossible to charge on their system if stolen.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons to not steal a tesla. It being a mobile surveillance device being one of them. Also, if I was going to steal a car, I'd pick one with better build quality and one that doesn't have a different fire exit than the normal way to exit that I'd probably be going for if my car was suddenly on fire.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    As for “cut russias internet”, I imagine they have a lot of services hosted on their own infrastructure within Russia.

    Of course probably a lot of people use western services like social media and e-commerce. Which would piss off a lot of Russian people. So you could have western governments require sanctions on services to reject Russian traffic.

    One of the downsides though is there are probably a lot of people who disagree with the regime and want to get info in and out. You push them closer to isolation like North Korea. So called “winning of hearts and minds” might be better served by keeping things open.

    But what do I know.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Because it was the anti theft system and immobilizer.
    It would be pretty useless if it could be defeated by putting some foil on the antenna so that it loses network connection and defaulted to allowing you to drive.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How does it validate that you are a valid driver? Do you enter a PIN or something?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    With your personal vehicle access device, aka, the car key. Immobilizers with transponders in the key have been a thing (and in some places a legal requirement) for like three decades.
    They've just gotten more aggressive now with "keyless" entry and being able to use your phone as your key, so some validate that info in real time - no network, no access. (Up to a point. They won't immediately strand you just because you ran out of cell coverage obviously, but apparently Porsche did enforce some part of their system to that point)

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Well, it's because Russia is jamming GPS signal, it affects planes, cars, everything relying on GPS.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Where are the accident videos? Russian drivers are shit and a Porsche losing power turns into a target.

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