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[–] 172 points 11 months ago (5 children)

So...is she seriously trying to claim that Israel bombing Gaza into rubble over the last two years was all just "fake news"? Is she stupid, or does she just think everyone else is?

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  • [–] 97 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    There are some people that are in the positions of power they are in because of the inaccurate world views they hold. There are "morally good" people that uphold the structures of power (but rarely those with actual power) because they genuinely believe they are doing what is good for humanity.

    Hilary Clinton is not one of those people. She is not "stupid". She is a genuinely morally bankrupt human being.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    I think the claim is supposed to be that the parts of it that makes Israel look bad are what's fake. Like the proof of them bombing civilians, or of their soldiers having called shot sniping contests on literal fucking kids. She seems to be claiming that we're seeing fake videos that are showing Israel killing civilians rather than the dangerous Hamas militants they are and it's brainwashing us into being anti-Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Sometimes the elderly have trouble adapting familiar concepts which have changed. She thinks of Israel as this small democratic state of people returned to their ancestral homeland beset by enemies from all sides, like under the leadership of PM Rabin, she can't process the new information that Israel headed by a brutal ethnic cleansing dictator is trying to kill off 2 million people, majority women and children, to create beachfront property.

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  • [–] 69 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This kind of thing is why she loat an election to Donald Trump of all people. She had the easiest race in history, but failed because she is a deeply unlikable shill

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  • [–] 52 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly if the Clinton’s (Hillary specifically) could just shut the fuck up forever we would all be better off.

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    [–] 43 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    "Totally made up"

    Does she not realize literally anyone can go to Google Maps and see a flattened city?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    They're going to have to fix that for US users, like the Bay of America

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Excuse me, it's the Gulf of America! And don't you forget it!

    salutes the flag, dramatic music plays, fireworks go off, and everyone claps as a single tear falls from my patriotic eye

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nah those buildings just uh all fell down by themselves . Total coincidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Recently Israeli settlres attacked the christian village of taibeh and set fire to a bunch of the town and the church of st george, and destroyed the water system. Then when accused of it they claimed they hadnt done it and the christians had torched their own village and destroyed their own water supply.

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  • [–] 84 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Reminding us how Trump won I see. Glad she opened her mouth, too many people are still trying to lionize her.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    It was a bad decision to even put her up as a candidate. She had been demonized by the right for years prior to the election. They literally polarized the entire right to vote against her.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    That's completely irrelevant, they demonize every Dem. It was a bad decision to put her up as a candidate because she's a giant asshole and not a talented enough liar to cover it up.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Exactly. Trump didn't win by courting centrists. He energized entirely new voters (albeit with racism).

    Democrats insist that perpetually leaning further into corporatism and imperialism and abandoning marginalized groups like trans people and immigrants will win the "likely voters".

    A real winning strategy would be to have policies that actually inspire people and turn out new voters.

    That would assume they actually want what they say they want though, instead of being controlled opposition.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Really it’s corporate Democrats trying to court corporate donors. It has close to nothing to do with this being the policy to win over voters. Imo, it’s why the corporate Dems need to be primaried out by progressives.

    A corporate Dem is still a marginally better than having Republicans in office, only because they’re focused on personal greed rather than personally causing the pain.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Indeed. Gulags of work are more inclusive with a Dem. The boot is a wide boot crushing everyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Corporate Dems care enough that you’re not starving, but not enough so that you’re not living out of your car or relying on the government for some of your needs. Many of the Corporate Dems probably do care to an extent, but green is what matters most to many so if you have a pulse it’s okay!

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I've literally seen videos of children's bodies being carried with a missing head, having bullet holes through their face, or having mangled bodies. I've seen videos of Palestinians trying to get food while getting shot at and hiding behind rubble. I've seen videos of civilians getting shot right in front of their children and hit with bombs while minding their own business. And I'm so tired of seeing people in suits up on a stage without a care in the world saying "it's not that bad" with a straight fucking face at every single thing going wrong in this world.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No you see those are totally fake videos edited by Hamas to garner sympathy, the reality is that all Palestinians are bloodthirsty savages who'd gladly kill any and all innocent israeli if given the opportunity!

    Hillary, most likely. But also, /s on my part if it wasn't obvious.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’d be ok if we could all act like not a fucking thing this publicity hag says matters.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Honestly, I could totally dig having never seen this article or discussion.

    If anybody's brain has gone rotten by the algorithm it's Hillary's. I'm upset people are arranging a stage and microphone just to ask her about her worst possible stances, at some point it's gotta be considered elder abuse.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    people are arranging a stage and microphone just to ask her about her worst possible stances, at some point it's gotta be considered elder abuse.

    Lmao my bizarre ADHD brain made me think this meant people were trolling her by setting up the stage and microphone in awkward ways so she'd have to answer in uncomfortable positions, and I was kinda all for that.

    I should sleep lol.

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  • [–] [S] 75 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Israel is just too valuable an ally for the empire. Why would America turn against it's own child: a genocidal liberal democracy displacing brown people?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It's the flaw of hierarchial power structures. They always calcify to serve themselves. Not the people they're supposed to serve. Look at North Korea and China assisting Russia's imperial machinations in the Donbas and Crimea. None of them (all similar power structures. Not just the ones I named) are our allies.

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  • [–] 98 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Hillary has always been an out of touch, pro war hawk. It's one of the reasons Trump won in 2016.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Trump is also a war hawk but convinced people he isn't

    See Iran, Argentina, etc

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Right, but in the context of 2016 it wasn't known if he was while Hillary was known.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, he was a known idiot and boot licker, but not a known hawk.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago
    1. There is a paywall. Going from the headline a racist isn't necessarily a hawk

    2. That article is from 2024... And it's domestic, again not about foreign war.

    3. More domestic stuff

    4. More domestic stuff and again from way after 2016

    I get the leap you're trying to make but domestic terror and violence doesn't necessarily mean pro foreign war.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, but according to my girlfriend, I’m a misogynist when I mention how bad of a candidate she was. She also hates AOC on principle, so I’m not sure I shouldn’t get some different opinions.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    One of the reasons she was a crap candidate was that she kept resorting to that same patronizing tone.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Anyone who says this should be airdropped into Gaza.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    What a thoroughly awful human being.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Oh really, Hillary? So why did a good portion of the rest of the world say on record that Israel is committing genocide? They all watching the fake videos too?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Clinton? A zionist? You don’t say! Colour me unsurprised.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Fucking bitch

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Is this the new Hasbara talking point being pushed by Israel PR? First that Obama speechwriter says it and now Hillary

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    The Democrats were never our friend. The Republicans are merely worse.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    Here’s a longer version that gives a little additional context to the quote:

    “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50 percent of young people in America get their news from social media. So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Because listening to talking heads regurgitating corporate propaganda is so much better, right?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Right?! Getting news from tiktok is just the next evolutionary step from 24 hour news channels. They're just pissed that they're getting out-gamed in a realm where they used to reign effortlessly.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    This does not make her look any better, especially when the deaths as reported by legacy news are undeniable. They literally require cult-like levels of self delusion to think killing thousands of kids and leveling a city isn't objectionable.

    The true cowardice is that they're doing genocide denial instead of admitting that "the 2 million Gazans isn't enough." The only way you think this is acceptable is if you think Israel doesn't just deserve a homeland, but ethnostate. That the Palestinians are just like the native Americans, "in the way of destiny."

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think the problem is more that 80% of older Americans get their news from Fox, as well as the fact that 95% of Americans think everything can be dumbed down into a 30 second video and their opinion after watching it carries the same weight as someone who spent a lifetime studying the issue.

    And yes Hillary always has been a pretty terrible person. But Trump is so so so much worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I'm sure some videos are staged or focus on the worst tragedies in the region, but I have yet to see any footage that paints Israel in a positive light. So it's either a genocide in real-time or they're making existence for all in Gaza so miserable that Hamas surrenders. Neither action is tolerable.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    The lesser of two evils.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    No, it's because they watch tiktoks made by IDF soldiers

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    hosted by an Israeli newspaper on Tuesday that young Americans were becoming sympathetic toward Palestinians because they watch “totally made up” videos of the horrors in Gaza on social media.

    The videos broadcast by mainstream news outlets of Israel’s war crimes are fake?

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Can she just fade into complete obscurity already? Would've thought that would be what she'd want to do given her husband is gunna be a big name in the Epstein files, and possibly also her too

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And Democrats decided she was a better option than Bernie.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Who picked this scab and got it oozing again?!!

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Yep, that's another side effect of AI gen videos. They'll call whatever they don't agree with fake now.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Just another anti-life crusader.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I'm not so much pro-Palestine as anti-Israel if that makes sense. I realize the conflict is complex and they've all been horrible to each other for as long as anyone can remember, but Israel's bullshit has gone too far. It's inevitable to side with the Palestinians who have to live in terror every single day.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Calling it complex only serves Israeli agenda.

    The issue is simple - No amount of complexity justifies a genocide.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    No, you can acknowledge that complexity of the conflict and history without condoning Israel’s actions.

    Discouraging people from appreciating nuance and encouraging them to think about a complex problem simplistically (as you are doing) is what tends to serve an agenda.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Saying the history isn’t complex is just stupid though. You can identify that the history is complex without taking away from the fact that there’s a genocide going on.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I can concede that the conflict can present "complex" at first glance due to some Palestinians taking arms and themselves doing some heinous acts.

    But this is all downstream of an illegal occupation by Israel. This conflict really isn't that complex. End the illegal occupation, then you can reasonably expect violent resistance to die down and to talk your way through it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yeah this is it right here, said more elequently than I could have managed lol

    Palestine needs support, and the rhetoric that its a complex or morally grey situation just needlesly complicates and delays progress.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You’re only thinking about the violence aspect, but we’re more discussing the geopolitics of the region. It’s not only complicated because Palestinians defended themselves— that kind of thinking is what serves Israel. It’s complicated because there is a long history of border drawing by colonialists, incoming and outgoing governments, a history of backstabbing particularly by the Israelis…complex news doesn’t serve anyone but just accurately describes a geopolitical conflict.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    The illegal occupation has been going for decades. Yes, there is a lot of individual political events.

    But I don't see how a macro analysis can end any ways other than "shits happened during this colonization of Palestine; Israel, UK and US are to blame for most evil shit".

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    ..but my point is explaining how everyone is complicit and how things have gotten to where they are is a long and complex history. Saying it’s complicated and saying Israel has committed genocide are not mutually exclusive. Most people actually don’t understand it, or could give a half accurate representation of the situation if asked. And that includes people who claim to have strong feelings, whether true or otherwise. In fact I’d argue asking really any follow up questions would leave a majority stumped, only a minority could give you more. It’s complex, end of. All genocides actually are. It doesn’t change the fact that they’re genocides.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I agree with you, but I think you're taking one idea to leverage another to arrive at a conclusion that I'm not promoting. The other commenters seem to have interpreted well what I'm trying to say.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    You know, I've held my opinions about Donald Trump but he really couldn't have gotten to the point he has without the help of good ol' Hillary Rodham.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    WTF, she's only one small step ahead of Krasnov.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Who’s got her evil laugh track on queue?

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