https://mander.xyz/post/42872387

I received insults

Someone even posted photos of dead bodies

These comments weren't reviewed, but I was permanently blocked because my political stance is to hope for the reunification of my country. They said I have nothing to offer, just spreading propaganda and negativity.

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[–] 14 points 11 months ago*

50% YDI / 50% PTB

YDI as it's not a meme, and this is clear violation of community rules.

PTB for making up arbitrary reason for a ban.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    not a political meme.

    It is political, but without being a meme it's just propaganda.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What you posted isn't even a meme. YDI.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (29 children)

    YDI. If you're for the reunification of your country, maybe contribute something to the discussion and don't just post propaganda memes? I mean whether someone is member of the United Nations doesn't really determine their status as a souvereign country. Nor does the opinion of the CCP or USA?! So what's the point?

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (26 children)

    Everyone has to do this? I mean I'm German... The borders here have changed all the time for centuries. I don't post offensive memes about who should be incorporated into some country... Or ejected from my country. Or whether Ukraine belongs to Russia... Or Venezuela to the USA... Or the West Banks to Israel... That's not really funny once people die because of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    I don't agree with OP, but this thinking can be used to say Ireland should never get its land back from Britain.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I think someone sharing an IRA-type commentator implying support for the violent takeover of Northern Ireland would receive a similar level of contempt.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (13 children)

    I would hope not.

    'Successful' colonisation is still colonisation.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (12 children)

    So you think someone supporting the hypothetical attack of people in Northern Ireland and promoting it would be a good thing?

    The people of Northern Ireland are descendents of descendents of descendents. They have their own devolved government, and I expect that within some election cycles, a pro-Republican majority will hold the Stormont and be able to seriously move to a referendum. In our lifetime.

    Calling for violence in light of that reality is repulsive.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I think Ireland should be reunited. Violence is not my first choice, but it is so far the only tool that has gotten us where we are today and I am not privileged enough to condone it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    And what do the people of Northern Ireland want?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (8 children)

    So Palestine should not get its land back?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Are you of the opinion the situation in Palestine is remotely equivalent to that of Northern Ireland?

    And you did not answer my question. What do the people of Northern Ireland want?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    I’m of the opinion that our struggle has been shared, as attested to by the history of anti-colonial collaboration between our countries.

    They can live in Ireland or move back to the UK.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    Right, that's still not what I asked you. I'm not asking what you think should happen. I'm asking you what do the people of Northern Ireland want now?

    The people in Northern Ireland can move between Ireland and the UK, move into the UK - enjoy equal rights. There's no system of apartheid. They have their own institutions. They can use those institutions to eventually acquire independence, providing there's enough support.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I don’t value what colonisers want.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    So lets go further. What do people who live in Ireland want? Do they want to launch a violent assault on Northern Ireland? What are you even proposing here?

    Is everyone in Northern Ireland a coloniser, or are they only colonisers if they happen to disagree with unifying Northern Ireland with Ireland?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes, polling has shown support for Irish reunification since independence.

    I am not proposing anything? I have said I do not condone the only effective tool we have, the only one that has ever given us our freedom.

    Yes. You live in a colony, you’re a coloniser. It’s not complicated.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yes, polling has shown support for Irish reunification since independence.

    Supporting Irish reunification is not the same as supporting achieving that through violent ends.

    I have said I do not condone the only effective tool we have, the only one that has ever given us our freedom.

    I misread it originally, but plenty of countries in the modern-era have achieved independence without violence.

    Yes. You live in a colony, you’re a coloniser. It’s not complicated.

    So does that include people of Irish background who do not support an immediate, instant unification with Ireland?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    So you think someone supporting the hypothetical attack of people in Northern Ireland and promoting it would be a good thing?

    England has been doing this for centuries.

    The people of Northern Ireland are descendents of descendents of descendents

    What "people" are you talking about here? Everybody is a desendent of a descendent of a descendent... Meaningless.

    If someone is a descendent of fascists and they're still carrying that banner, then they're still a fascist.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Your borders changed because you attacked the world. We got attacked by the world.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    You openly laughed about the prospect of China invading Taiwan.

    A situation that would cause millions to be killed potentially.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    But can Westerners spread false information about China's collapse and the deaths of millions of people and then ridicule it?

    They can call us "West Taiwan" and then mock about KMT taking over power?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Without looking, that thread looks tongue-in-cheek. You just posted Danny Haiphong who once went to Belgium and complained about all the blue and yellow he saw, thinking it was to do with being pro-Ukraine, except it was just that cities aesthetic.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Report it if you think it's offensive and violates the rules. That's how moderation works here. And you'd expect more glee and negative sentiment because some countries are "underdogs" and some aren't. That doesn't make anything right, but that's how it is on the internet. Just do your part and report things which you think are inappropriate... Two wrongs don't make a right!

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I don't think you being allowed to post political memes about other people's lives is rooted in whether your people were attacked in history. At least not directly... And I didn't attack nobody, so maybe I should play the victim card as well? I mean all of this is arbitrary. Why does Mongolia and everything up to Lake Baikal not belong to China? Why is Kaliningrad Russian and not Prussian? Why am I German in the first place? And why do we keep stupid little countries like Belgium or Luxembourg around? We had a lot of war and attacks happen in history of mankind...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    100% YDI

    lol fucking cry more, Taiwan doesn’t want your shit and neither does anyone here

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Lol

    I'm assuming OP is a 中国人 by the comments? 对吗?

    To OP:

    你在大陆吗?

    这么爱国干啥,你爱国,国爱你吗?

    你爱的是“国”吗?不该会是说是爱党吗?

    你所谓的“统一”,不该会是让共产党统治吧?

    凭什么?

    "Might makes right"?

    打胜仗就可统治了?

    那么, 蒙古帝国呢?罗马帝国呢?

    他们有权“统一”吗?

    你说共和国很“民主”,你问你自己:最近什么时候有过选举?这算民主吗?

    你唱“起来,不愿做奴隶的人们”

    你却向党下跪?ironic

    爱人民,没问题。
    爱政府,有毛病。

    lmfao

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    But using crudely crafted, vaguely defined, and offensive language doesn’t make these debates clearer or deeper.

    Lemmy does have quite a lot of tankie types that cannot agree that two things can be bad at the same time (see US and Chinese imperialism).

    I personally find it most frustrating how much effort they put into discouraging people from organizing in electoralism. I've written about it somewhat at length before, but I will try and be brief. Indeed all war is class war, and elections are still one of the many fronts in a war and it is foolish to abandon it; leaving the path open to fascists to exert even more influence. We should be forming our own third party and using it to spoil races (note that there are more elections than just presidential). In others we should be pragmatic and vote the lesser evil to give our movement space to grow and maneuver.

    We could have more Mamdani or AOCs types, but we also need to support them. We complain a lot about not getting what we want out of elections, but to no surprise we make no effort to be heard officially. In a sense we are showing up to a marathon without the months of training and wondering why we don't make it very far. Elections don't start with checking a box at the ballot that is where they are ending. We should at least aim for local elections and try for a spoiling effect to get some of our comrades in deputy positions.

    And to be clear I am not saying that elections are the only form of organizing we should be doing. Just that its an unforced error to ignore it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    It’s not a meme, and I almost removed your !memes@lemmy.ml cross-post because of it. If you’re going to post something that you know will be seen as politically controversial—and in this case I’m sure you did—you should make sure not to break any of the rules, because mods will be looking for excuses to remove it.

    99% of Westerners are 100000000000% sure they know what happened in Tiny Man Square and that the Chinese state suppresses the truth. The reasons for this are complex and involve propaganda (of which they’re mostly oblivious), chauvinism, racism, group conformity, and the “Anti-Kitten Burning Coalition”. Shutting you up makes them feel good about themselves, that they’re fighting repression & autocracy in the name of freedom & democracy. It’s literally drugs: an endorphin hit. Conversely, discovering the truth is an uncomfortable process. You go through a fresh batch cognitive dissonance for each layer of bullshit you peel away. Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing”

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