These pathetic morons think they'll be safe through this exemption. In reality these deliberate security holes will affect everyone. How will these morons be safe when every person they have contact with IRL is a walking microphone for every foreign intelligence agency?

So you're telling me the one person who's been making deals behind closed doors (illegal), and then 'accidentally' deleting all messages regarding said deals (also illegal) will be exempt from having all their communication scanned?

Danes are fascist, they pushed it through.

It also makes what the Stasi in Socialist East Germany did to its citizens look harmless in comparison. It's literally Big Brother, but you carry him around with you.

It isn't misleading (that'd be a technically true headline, which this isn't). This is a downright lie, or as some might say, "fake news".

(it won't be, it's an EU law, so will be the same in all EU countries)

This is not true btw. It's not a mandatory law, and if you read the news about this the last 3 weeks, you would know that.

EU laws are not automatically mandatory. That's not how it works at all.

Maybe start here? https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

"This list is outdated, see here fightchatcontrol.eu"

Can someone help me understand the likely outcome in countries that implement chat control? Will those governments force Google and Apple to remove apps that do not comply (e.g. Signal) from their official app stores? Will those governments somehow detect users who find workarounds and go after them? I figure most people in those countries will shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives, but how will this impact citizens who do not wish to comply?

We are embracing authoritarianism everywhere. Democracies are dying.

Politicians are not ignorant of the risks; as the article mentions, they had several advisors, including scientists, who warned of the danger. If our leaders didn't know it, they wouldn't exclude themselves from the proposal.

Sociopaths will be sociopaths. They'll continue saying that protesting and violece are never the answer, while eroding our basic rights and ignoring all pushback.

I believe Germany is now in favor of this new proposal, according to https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

Only Italy, Netherlands, Czech Republic and Poland are against. This seems to be based on "leaked documents from the September 12 meeting of the EU Council's Law Enforcement Working Party".

Show is not over until the fat lady sings.

From the Online Safety Act Wikipedia page:

The act also requires platforms – including end-to-end encrypted message providers – to scan for child pornography and terrorism content, which experts say is not possible to implement without undermining users' privacy.

Caling your MEP is more efficient.

I thought it was the latter.

The later. However, they could still be fines for not doing what is needed to reduce "the risks of the of the chat app", whatever the fuck that can mean when talking about illegal.content

I thought making calls and sending SMS was one of the least secure things you could do regarding communication? That secure and encrypted communication with messaging apps was the only way.

Now we have nothing. 😐

If they work anything like the far right in the U.S., they’ll raise hell about it til they get elected then implement it themselves.

That's weird, our fascists in France are all against privacy, unless it's theirs.

AfD is already #1 party in Germany

It seems the article is misinterpreting things. It's not that it's "voluntary for individual EU states".. but rather "voluntary" for service providers. The service providers don't have to implement this chat detection if they don't want to.

The thing is that if they don't pass something like this, then by April 2026 a bunch of current services that are already doing CP detection would be breaking the law, since the temporary derogation of the e-Privacy Directive will expire. But I don't think this affects services like signal/simplex who voluntarily choose to not try to detect it.

The implementation is client-side, so this wouldn't work. It forces all apps to have a client-side backdoor.

The thing is.. that even if there are countries publicly rejecting this, once the infrastructure is in place and a backdoor exists due to it being enforced by some other country, how can you be sure it's not being used / exploited?

Even in the (hypothetical) case that the government is not using it (regardless of what they might say to the public), I wouldn't trust that this backdoor would be so secure that nobody else than a government could make use of it.

And when they pull out of Europe because they won't comply?

Xmpp, IRC, Matrix, all great decentralized alternatives, but good luck convincing people in contacting you on Xmpp...

This problem is a problem because it's a social tendency, not because we don't have alternatives.. Very sadly...

Or Molly (alternative and more secure FOSS Android app for Signal), or Session or SimpleX.

Ita not said they wont comply with eh standards