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[–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Japan's Chimolog is our second source. Its tests showed the Switch 2's display to be slightly quicker, averaging 17 ms at 60 Hz.

That's quite a huge difference though, about half that of Monitors Unboxed. Would definitely be worth finding out why the results are so different.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Read the Digital Foundry's review about the screen too. Pretty disappointing to be honest. At the very least, it shouldn't be worse than the first Switch.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    It only costs 500 bucks. And as my friend says, "you're not going to get 4k gaming for a dollar less, let's be honest." So they had to cut back somewhere, apparently.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I agree, and from those who have used Switch 2 are fine with the screen (anecdotal, from people I know), but that being said, it shouldn't be worse than Switch 1! It just feels bad knowing that 😀

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dude, I dunno. I'm not a Nintendo apologist. I think the price, and their policies are completely insane.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In what way? Because i too believe they are insane.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Paying for "upgrades" to games someone already owns, the decades of "premium" pricing on everything with no sales, their ongoing war against emulators, modders, etc. One big one for me was when my copy of MySims killed the disc drive in my wii, I RMA'd the system and got back a refurb with the note "yeah, you're gonna have to deal with not having any of your Wii Shop Channel stuff on your own, buddy."

    Not a policy, but I'm irked by the weirdly cheap build quality as of late, too. I've got NES, GCN, N64 controllers that still work, and every one of my switch sticks drifts with very little use. Plus the rails on the Switch felt cheap, and the audio quality and input lag are bad.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why not? If they can cut costs by reducing specs that don't matter to their target audience, that just seems like sound engineering.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    On release that may be fine, but it will exist for years. My expectation is that it released with a shit screen so they could normalize that price point and then sell a + version in a year for another $150.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    How does it compare to other handhelds, though

    It's a significantly more expensive handheld, but I've found a video with a comparison to the ROG Ally and it makes the Switch 2 screen look really bad.

    Source is a page on Facebook so I can't vouch for its veracity, but it matches multiple reports we're seeing from trusted sources that the screen is laggy - besides the ones mentioned in the OP link we also got the Digital Foundry guys saying the same in their review.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    That doesn't bode well for a high refresh rate screen

    Edit - 120hz is only in docked mode and with a compatible 120hz screen, although the screen also supports 120hz at 1080p. I bet that will feel incredibly different than handheld mode per the article's quoted refresh rates of the actual screen.

    120hz vs 30 is a massive difference in terms of perceived fluidity.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't have a switch. From what I gather, the dock is just an USB C to HDMI dongle with extra USB ports, correct?

    Does docked mode performance also trigger when an USB charging cable is plugged in? From what I gather the main issue why handheld mode is lower performance is the battery consumption.

    If it does, does it then display 1080p@120hz on the integrated screen?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's amazing how little noise this got until DF did their review.... Almost like it's a non-issue for most people.

    Next up: Nintendo Switch 2 causes cancer in the State of California! Get the pitchforks and torches ready!

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Exactly!!!! Like they’re just making up shit—the screen is fucking fine! Like what do they fucking WANT?!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For a couple hundred extra, I wouldn't expect anything in the Switch 2 to be worse than the Switch 1, personally.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    More information so people can make proper purchase decisions is always good. The current screen may be fine for most, but there's people who are very sensitive to this type of slow screen and will prefer to wait for a new hardware revision.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago

    The thing is, is they're always going to have a dedicated fanbase of parents who want to buy shit for their kids to keep them occupied for several hours a day so that they don't have to participate in their children's lives in any meaningful way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    As someone who has recently been playing with the Switch 2 in handheld and docked mode, I have to say I'm surprised about the negativity.

    The response time is only very slightly worse compared to playing docked. It's not noticeable at all, even when playing competitive online games.

    Playing Switch 2 in handheld is a much better experience compared to playing Switch 1 in handheld. It's a huge improvement.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Pretty much the same as the switch 1 tho.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Maybe it's just the games I've been playing (mainly Mario Kart and TOTK), but I havent really had any issues with the Switch 2 screen, and I'm usually pretty sensitive to that stuff, at least on PC.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Equating "children and video games" is such a boomer take. Reducing it like that is basically saying "let the toddlers have fun with their Nintendos!" It's literally condescending to everyone and comes across as out-of-touch.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Our first data point is Monitors Unboxed. They found the Switch 2 returned an average pixel response time of 33 ms at 60 Hz.

    Jesus Christ Nintendo. That's absolutely horrendous. But on the plus side I'm glad the screen undervolting let you improve the battery life to an impressive *checks notes* two hours!?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    all for the power of selling the device at profit and not at a loss.

    when currently last gen pc handheld like the lenovo legion go is being sold at 500$ and has both a higher fresh rate resolution and 20ms pixel response time conpared to the switch 2s 33ms.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So the display can't actually drive the pixels fast enough to exceed 30fps? Is that what that means?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I assume this means that at 60fps every frame will be delivered about 2 frames too late everytime.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They'll release a "New!" version in a year with an improved screen as one of its bullet points, in a bid to get you to buy it again. And people will. See also:

    • The Gameboy Advance SP/New SP
    • The DS/DS Lite
    • 3DS/New 3DS
    • The Switch/Switch OLED
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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So basically, the news here is that the switch 2 screen is better than the switch 1 at 17ms vs 21ms, except for one singular tester that claims 30+, which no other independent tester collaborates... And then they go and compare it to screens that cost multiple times the entire switch's cost... And this is presented as a bad thing?

    Are you kidding me rn

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My understanding is it's worse than the switch 1 and basically every other modern handheld from the PSP onward.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    My understanding is that most testers found it's about 4ms better than the switch 1, and the only tester that found it worse refuses to actually outline their methodology, and nobody can reproduce the 30ms+ number.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Nintenblow! Next, they will try to brick their trading cards if you use them against their terms.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Comparison to mobile displays (those you can plug via USB-C/HDMI) would be interesting. Gaming display is a entirely different category, says nothing about the product.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Nintendo: What! If we got better screens you would be complaining thst it cost even more!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lol, I get it but comparing the Switch 2's tiny screen to €600-2000 OLED gaming monitors is fucking pointless (it's where the 100 times slower comes from).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's also terrible compared to the first switch's screen though.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah it's not good, it's just a weird thing to put in the headline. It's like comparing a new hatchback with its competition, but then also say it's slower than the newest Ferrari. I think that should be a given as it's a fraction of the price

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Except other testers found it to be ~4ms faster than the switch 1, in tests where they actually give their methodology.

    Monitors unboxed just went "yeah it's 30+ms, source: trust me bro"

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    I have a Chinese handheld with a 1080p oled display that doesn't ghost.

    refresh rates stay in the 60fps.

    cost me $400.

    it plays all my Roms, emulators, videos, browsing, it even plays steam remote beautifully.

    I'll never buy another Nintendo again.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I never played MK Wii because of the graphics. The game was just fun. IDGAF about graphics.

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