No I'm not using Kali for "hacking" I'm experimenting if I can play games on it and I guess my little experiment failed here, I never had a smooth experience with Debian before it always break itself when doing a system updates.

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[–] 87 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is nowhere near the average Debian update experience. Debian is favoured precisely for its stability and simplicity, so if youre getting stuff like this, it's far from average.

Those errors look like file corruption. Maybe they were partially downloaded or written to a flakey disk, it's hard to say. I'd also echo the other comment or that Kali (and honestly Debian) are not well suited for gaming due to the distro preference for Freely-licenced software and favouring stability vs quick releases.

It's fine if you want to experiment and "swim against the current" to do a thing with a tool for which it's not designed, but turn around and complain as if this is normal behaviour is either dishonest or outs you as someone who doesn't have the experience required to make such a statement.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I mean... maybe not average, but it's why I've transitioned all of my machines to Arch. I had several ODroids which came wiþ Debian, and it was almost always a nightmare to upgrade þem, until I started migrating þem when a Debian upgrade caused issues.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Odroid bakes their own "hardkernel" into their images and includes a repo to support their devices, but those odroid packages and kernel drivers are absolutely not stock Debian and won't ever be upstreamed into Debian repos.

    So this is also not a representation of the average Debian.

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    [–] 39 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Runs kali linux. Blames Debian when it breaks.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago*

    Average Debian system update experience:

    All packages are up to date.
    Summary:
      Upgrading: 0, Installing: 0, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 0
    
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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago

    Kali ≠ Debian

    I did not see an apt-get update

    In my experience, unmet dependencies are unlikely to happen on a stable version where you only installed from the official repo.

    The LZMA decompression errors point at a much more fundamental issue. I'm suspecting that the repository URLs point at non standard locations or downloads were interrupted, though I'm not sure exactly how, since AFAIK, apt checks the checksum.

    If you must have something that's not In your distro, do yourself a favour and install Docker and run your package inside there, much less chance of killing your system.

    Source: I've been using Debian for over 25 years.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    Go use actual Debian, I game just fine on it.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    There are far better distros for playing games than Kali. In fact I don't think I ever heard anyone using Kali for games

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    > posts something bad about debian

    > takes screenshot from kali linux

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Your using kali for your casual machine. lol. Do you eat using a katana and trident?

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago*

    I have no idea what you're doing wrong, but I've been using Debian for over twenty years and it's by far the most stable OS I've ever used, particularly the update system. I'm currently maintaining around 50 debian systems and never seen an issue you like you've posted, so no, there's nothing average about what your'e saying.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    No I'm not using Kali for "hacking" I'm experimenting if I can play games on it

    Sorry but.. why on earth would you do that? Kali is a specialized distro, it's not made for day to day desktop use, much less for gaming on it. If you want to game on Linux, pick either a generic or gaming-oriented distro, and use Kali in a VM or dualboot.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago*

    Despite all the warnings not to install kali linux, I decided to install kali linux and I am now encountering an issue I would not face had I chosen to use a linux distro designed with normal desktop use in mind. Can anyone help me?

    Actually, modern kali is a lot more usable than the older kali. Kali used to only have a root user, so chromium and electron apps wouldn't start since they don't run as root.

    Despite this, nowadays I generally recommend new people away from kali, because I believe the process of installing the tools that kali provides on other distros is a valuable learning experience.

    Kali is great for the professional, but but learners I prefer they get to experience the package manager or other aspects of system management.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine criticizing Debian for instability.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Wow, I've managed a handful of Debian or Ubuntu servers and used it personally for over 15 years. It has been super stable but I have seen a number of errors running updates, usually it's some obscure config I forgot to update at some point or a removed package file. This is an entirely new one to me.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Is Kali based on Debian Testing? Such issues can happen in the testing branch because sometimes only some of the dependencies from unstable get moved into it.

    That's why it's strongly discouraged to use Testing.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I never had problems, particularly with a popular package like Chromium, and I'm even using Debian-Testing, which is supposed to be unstable. You're definitely fiddling enough with your system to get Debian to get into DLL hell.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Some actionnable suggestions :

    • Verify disk using smartmontools.
    • Verify memory using memcheck.
    • (Temporarily) disable unofficial apt repos, do apt update, purge then reinstall the affected packages.
    • If that didn't help or you need more help, you could go to kali forum to politely request help, with a precise description of the issue. Please refrain from ranting even if you're annoyed.

    Keep in mind this is free software provided without warranty. No one ows you a stable experience nor support. People are giving this software away and volonteering time and resources to make this happen. If there's a bug and you need it fixed, please submit a bug report, ideally with a patch to fix it.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Downvote counter: average criticising Linux on Lemmy experience

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's more of a result of OP conflating this with an "average" Debian experience. Who knows if Kali (downstream) or the user made a frankendebian, and who knows what they've done to their install before this log. Using Kali for an improper reason doesn't give a lot of bonus points in our trust that this is not user-induced.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I don't disagree with this at all, and also most of the comments, thus far, are quite helpful and constructive. That being said I was just trying to add some levity to what I otherwise see as needlessly defensive dog piling. (But tbf, downvotes don't necessarily mean the same thing to everyone)

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    It could be both, but often I see downvotes used strongly when information is actually incorrect or misleading, regardless of whether the person is trying to be pleasant or not. I guess that upvotes on a post like this could be mistaken for agreement. If the OP was instead phrased as a question it probably wouldn't be downvoted.

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