Plex is starting to enforce its new rules, which prevent users from remotely accessing a personal media server without a subscription fee.

If anyone needs it: https://jellyfin.org/

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[–] 56 points 11 months ago

Enshittification intensifies

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Jellyfin users, how is the transcoding situation? I have a mix of AV1 and H265 and I need to get smooth playback to my living room Apple TV for families’ sake.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    All dependent on the hardware you run the server on. Give it a good GPU and you're off to the races

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Just as long as you’re fine with your media server absolutely eating power all the time

    Stop encoding in av1 and get a low power older intel chip around 10th gen or so with quick sync. Unless you have like 5+ users watching 4k media at the same time this will handle transcoding absolutely fine while using far less power than a dedicated gpu

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I don't encode in AV1, I use HEVC. But while your argument is not unreasonable, it misses the component of file size and amount of disk space required.

    HEVC (x265) takes half the space of x264. While it does require a more modern GPU, it can be run on lower powered Intel CPUs with an integrated GPU just fine, so long as the CPU is new enough. Though it can only handle 2-3 streams on a CPU like the Intel chips in a ZimaBoard. So you need to choose wisely.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Person you responded to said av1, I didn’t mean to imply you did. HEVC is good balance and quicksync will handle it as you’ve said. 10th gen stuff will handle 4-5 at the expense of more power (but less than like a typical gpu build).

    Last statement you made is critical - usage dictates build

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Infuse player with jellyfin or direct nfs/samba if in same network

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Infuse is not free. I love it and use it on my Apple Devices, but just wanted to have this as an FYI.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm moving to jellyfin because of my customzation obsession after using Plex for YEARS (bought lifetime as a kid in college), but I'm still going to donate to the Jellyfin team if I love the software they made. I'm so new to self hosting and it's awesome how much free stuff is out there, but how do they maintain it for free?

    Is the argument that we shouldn't have to pay money to use software or that Plex / software is changing things after taking money? This is the one area that confuses me the most. Free as a selling point but like, are we just not supposed to send money or am I dumb for doing so?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I can't speak for client capabilities on Apple devices, but what's your server hardware? CPU or GPU transcoding?

    I have an AMD GPU in my server and have no issues transcoding AV1 and H265 for my lesser capable clients.

    You can also setup Jellyfin in parallel to Plex and give it a whirl.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    You can also setup Jellyfin in parallel to Plex and give it a whirl.

    Usually. When Plex leaked that they were selling user data, I was running Plex server on an Nvidia Shield, a unique build of Plex that ran as a core service of the Android device. There ain't no Jellyfin analogue of that monstrosity.

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    To anyone saying they're happy since they already have a lifetime Plex pass, do you really think they won't come for you too?

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I paid 79€ almost a decade ago. I got more than my moneys worth. Even the current lifetime (on sale) is less than a year of Netflix. More expensive than piracy + Jellyfin ofc if that’s your benchmark 😀

    I have a Jellyfin instance running anyway, I’ll switch to that if Plex enshittifies.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    if Plex enshittifies.

    Anyone want to break the news?

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Which part has enshittified?

    The only change I can see that when I scroll down on my Plex front page, there’s a bunch of stuff that’s not on my NAS. Some of them actually interesting, like this full ass category of old school kungfu movies:

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    This is a "slippery slope' argument and thus a fallacy.

    Let users decide how they want to run their own stuff. Right now if you have Plex pass this isn't an issue. If it becomes an issue, then you're in the exact same position you'd be in today if you decided to move away from Plex now.

    I moved away from Plex years ago, but I don't blame users for sticking with it, it still has a lot of advantages over jellyfin.

    EDIT: Y'all are trippin' over yourselves to complain about what other people choose to deploy on their own hardware.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    If it becomes an issue, then you're in the exact same position you'd be in today if you decided to move away from Plex now.

    I disagree. Right now you got time to do the research, plan the move and test it out with a demo setup. You do not know if you got the time if Plex decides to screw their lifetime users.

    Yes this is hypothetical.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The steaks are very high. I could lose access to my media library for 1-2 evenings (the time it would take me to switch to Jellyfin).

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's entirely hypothetical. Jellyfin could also close source tomorrow, hypothetically (It happened with Emby so there's precedent).

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    No, you have not understood anything. Assuming Jellyfin would go closed source, (ignoring the GPL license and so on) you would not notice anything. Your server and service would be unchanged by this.

    Emby is the best example, the community will fork it and you server lives on. Even if not, then the server and software is still yours.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Jellyfin can't go closed source as it's a fork of Emby from before it was closed source, licensed under the GPL. They don't own that code so they can't change that license, thus the whole project is GPL. In addition, Jellyfin isn't being developed by just one company (it's all volunteers), so every new contribution is also GPL licensed, owned by each contributor. The only way Jellyfin could go closed source would be to cut out the Emby backend and for every single contributor ever to agree to change the license, or have their code cut out. In short it's not happening, and if somehow it did the project would just get forked regardless for everyone to switch to (the community did it once already!).

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Plex is not free. Plex is paid software, just like Google Photos or iCloud. The only free software is open source. Open source everything. Doesn’t matter if the client is open source. If the server isn’t, it’s not open source. (I’M LOOKING AT YOU, SNAP!)

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Unfortunately this idea that open source is free is a bit toxic in a way. It's definitely not free to make, it takes years of dev time, and sure, those people often do it without any compensation. And therein lies the problem. People here bitching about jellyfin not doing x or y, but doing nothing to support full time development of it's creation, then shitting on the devs for not having a perfect product, leads to good devs leaving OSS behind.

    Edit: I'll also say, I get the issues that come with proprietary software in the modern age, especially anything online, but there's almost this push towards not paying for software. Because some software is free and open source, paying for closed source software makes you a rube or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, I am one of those open source devs who doesn’t get paid for it. But I can’t really say it’s the fault of normal users. They’re just people trying to get by. The fault really lies in corporations using open source without supporting it. Some corporations do give back and support communities, but a lot just take and don’t give anything back.

    Personally, most of what I write for my company, SciActive, is open source. The only thing I don’t release is my actual product (Port87), but everything I’ve built in order to build it (the ORM, Nymph.js, the UI library, Svelte Material UI, the WebDAV server, Nephele) are all open source.

    I do get users shitting on these projects sometimes, but the majority of communications I get are respectful and gracious. It does sour the experience when someone acts rudely, but I try to not let them get under my skin. Some devs have trouble not being bothered by it, and for them, the rude users and lack of compensation are so much worse.

    What keeps me writing open source though is that I just genuinely have a passion for writing code. I recently built a full text search engine into Nymph, and the whole process was so much fun. I think that’s what powers open source, genuine passion for what we build.

    (There’s one project that gets shit on a lot more than my others, QuickDAV, which I’ve never really understood. A lot of people say they’d rather use SyncThing, which is fine, but they have different use cases, so it just baffles me. It’s like someone looking at Inkscape and saying they’d rather use GIMP.)

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I never shared my server anyway, but a lot of the other design decisions they've made over the last couple years drove me to Jellyfin. My issue though is I cannot figure out how to set it up properly like I had Plex setup with genres, sort by added to server, lists, etc. I can't tell if I'm missing something obvious, or Jellyfin just lacks those features and I need to get a plugin or something. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just hoping someone has experienced similar and might point me in the right direction.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I display my movies and music in the order they were added by default, but I do recall a lot of historical problems with that functionality. It has not been a problem for me the last year or two, I would say, but I do remember it being a problem.

    There's still lots of room for improvement, to be damn sure. But can't beat the feeling of freedom, you ask me.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I'm just thankful that the app doesn't run like garbage due to all the bloat like Plex does. That and I really like the fact it auto checks for subtitle files and plays them. Overall I am glad I moved I just wish there were a couple more features.

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