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[–] 59 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

Richard Stallman literally started the Free Software Foundation over his frustrations with a printer

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/rms-nyu-2001-transcript.txt

Xerox gave the Artificial Intelligence Lab, where I worked, a laser printer, and this was a really handsome gift, because it was the first time anybody outside Xerox had a laser printer. And, you know, copiers jam, but there's somebody there to fix them.

Well, we had an idea for how to deal with this problem. Change it so that whenever the printer gets a jam, the machine that runs the printer can [...] tell the users who are waiting for printouts go fix the printer.

But at that point, we were completely stymied, because the software that ran that printer was not free software. It had come with the printer, and it was just a binary.

And then I heard that somebody at Carnegie Mellon University had a copy of that software. So I was visiting there later, so I went to his office and I said, "Hi, I'm from MIT. Could I have a copy of the printer source code?" And he said "No, I promised not to give you a copy." He had signed a non-disclosure agreement.

Now, this was my first, direct encounter with a non-disclosure agreement, and it taught me an important lesson -- [..] non-disclosure agreements have victims. They're not innocent. [...]

(he goes on for a bit, but ultimately describes never accepting any software that requires signing an NDA ever, and then goes on to write his own unix)

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And then I heard that somebody at Carnegie Mellon University had a copy of that software. So I was visiting there later, so I went to his office and I said, “Hi, I’m from MIT. Could I have a copy of the printer source code?” And he said “No, I promised not to give you a copy.” He had signed a non-disclosure agreement.

    "this is it kids, this is the moment, right here, where all the madness starts.... " time traveller viewing the birth of free & open source software

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Just think, once we all die off, no more printers.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The responsibility of knowing how to use a printer skips a generation, much like male pattern baldness.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The 3d printers are so cool though.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But I was so close to perfecting my 4d printer.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Hopefully finally only one.single.protocol to simply move pdf to printer?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's been invented in the eighties, it's called PostScript, which is a precursor to PDF. You sent a PostScript file to the printer, and the printer evaluated PostScript and printed the result. Except, with the spread of home printers, processing was moved into the drivers to eliminate costly electronics from printers.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    But postscript is the document description, not the transport. And pdf now, because base pdf is simpler & more secure than postscript.

    There are about a dotzen transport protocols in a printers settings.

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  • [+] 129 points 11 months ago (43 children)
  • [–] 153 points 11 months ago (21 children)

    It’s 100 % because you no longer need to understand how information technology works in order to use it.

    So our parents didn’t know because the tech didn’t exist (or came late in their life), and our kids because they never needed to learn.

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  • [–] 73 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I work in an industry where we use computers all day and this is painfully clear. I grew up with a mouse in my hand, shortcuts are hardwired into my brain. Watching someone right click them slowly move the cursor to copy, then right click and slowly move to paste, then slowly navigate to formulas then click refresh is brutal. It literally takes them 3-4x as long as it takes me to do the same task.

    On the bright side, I only work about 20 hours a week and still outperform them, so thanks I guess?

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  • [–] 48 points 11 months ago

    I was hella unemployed for a while, and the job centre asked me if I was good with computers. I replied "not really. I cab do a little HTML, and can sort of read JS and C++/C# but can't really write anything with them" so they sent me on a course so I could brush up on my computer skills to improve my prospects of getting a job.

    I spent my first lesson teaching everyone else what the difference between left click and right click was, and how the little arrow moves when you wiggle the mouse.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Gen X here and I memorized only 3 shortcuts: cut, copy, and paste

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I've gotta have my Ctrl+T and Ctrl+N and of course my Ctrl+W. And you KNOW I've got my Ctrl+Shift versions of everything, naturally. Oh man, and my Windows+Tab, how could I forget you?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I can't count the times Ctrl+Shift+T has saved my browsers sessions. Or when I close a tab and 5 seconds later think, wait I needed that one.

    Also je youtube player controls. J, K, L, etc. Got so annoyed by the video player not responding to spacebar because the video wasn't focused that I just stopped using the spacebar.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Youtube's controls are stupid. Left and right skip 5 seconds forward and backward respectively, and up and down adjust the volume.

    However, if you've recently adjusted the volume slider with the mouse, then left and right ALSO adjust volume, and can't be used to skip forward/backward anymore until you unfocus the volume bar.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, those annoying people who need accessibility and navigate web pages via keyboard focus, they ruined YouTube controls for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The issue is that the keyboard focus changes with normal usage, and impairs normal usage. If you go to jump back with left arrow, and accidentally touch down arrow, the focus is unrecoverably moved and you can't even pause anymore.

    This wouldn't be a problem if using the mouse or the up/down arrows didn't focus the volume slider. Tab should be perfectly capable of moving the focus if you want to focus volume specifically, especially as volume has dedicated shortcuts already.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Also win+space to switch from English to Japanese and back! And inside that, shift+caps to switch between kana and kanji, and romaji!

    (I’m on Mint, but I changed the shortcuts to be Windows default because that’s what I’m used to. Still works great, sometimes I hamfist the wrong kanji in the sentence because I’m just not looking too closely, but I’ve seen native English speakers abuse the shit out of “your” and “there”.)

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's partially that. It's also because printers do suck more now. Had an HP 5p in the 90s that was a workhorse, reliable as hell, and would simply print whatever you sent. period.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I tried older HP PSC 1315 on Windows 11.
    Windows 11: Cannot find drivers, use manufacturer's website.
    HP: Windows will automatically download drivers, no downloads are provided.

    Uuuh... thanks?

    Soooooo... archive.org.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I feel like there was definitely a golden age for printers, because when I was a kid we had an Epson Stylus Color 800 that was literally Satan crammed into a shitty beige box, but my HP LaserJet from like 2012 is still going strong.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I have a great rule to promote self reliance. I'll gladly help you, but if the answer is in the first 20 results on Google, it costs you 50 euro.

    I only had one relative get angry, asking how he was supposed to know if it was. I told him to check, and he angrily said "well then I might as well do it myself".

    Exactly.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Those first 20 results in 2025:

    • 1-4: AI slop
    • 5: Reddit thread (no comments)
    • 6: Reddit thread (comment including the solution has been deleted)
    • 7-9: AI slop
    • 10: Microsoft support forum (two pages of generic advice from support workers located in India who get paid a starvation wage)
    • 11-12: stack exchange (both with poorly written questions followed by angry comments)
    • 13: quora (nonsense mixed with stuff that somehow actually makes things worse???)
    • 14: Wikipedia
    • 15-17: AI slop
    • 18: Reddit thread (only one comment "nvm figured it out")
    • 19: Arch Linux forum (links to Arch Wiki)
    • 20: the actual solut... no wait, it's also AI slop
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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Not just millennials… I’ve been family IT support since the late 80s. And not just printers. TVs, cable, VCRs, DVD players, BlueRay, stereos, home theater, networking, WiFi, smart appliances, laptops, tablets, phones, etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Not just millennials… I’ve been family IT support since the late 80s.

    I mean, as a millennial I only missed that by a couple of years. I was already the most computer-literate person in the house when I was 7, in the early '90s.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Were you the only one who knew how to press the input button on the remote to switch devices?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    Trick question: back then, we changed to channel 3 and turned on the device hooked up to the RF adapter.

    Also, my parents struggle with changing inputs on the remote now. I'm not sure if they regressed in their old age or never knew to begin with, but either is plausible.

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  • [+] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    As a Gen X person who also does occasional family tech support, printers have always been shit as far as I can tell.

    Also I don't think I've ever encountered a device made by HP that wasn't trash in some way or another.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It is the printer.

    I first started dabbling in computing 40 years ago. I took a Basic Class in the back of a Radio Shack.

    Printing and printers have always been a fucking nightmare.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Literally helped my parents with this last night.

    Also, fuck windows for defaulting a setting I’d never seen before: “let windows manage my default printer”

    That’s why it wasn’t printing. What a fucking stupid idea.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, I see mom’s PC updated and it’s trying to print with the fucking “OneNote XPS” virtual printer again.

    Also I see the “OneNote XPS” printer I manually remove every month is back again.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As a general rule, if I ever encounter an option that involves letting Microsoft handle it, I always say no. Like when software crashes and it asks if you want to send it to Microsoft. I've literally never said yes because I assume it'll think about it for like 10 minutes, then the software that sends the crash report will crash, and then it will try to get me to agree to OneDrive.

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