The reason I am asking is because I saw a lot of women who look great after surgeries and I see nothing wrong with them, but when I browse Reddit I see people hating on them so hard, why?

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[–] 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because it perpetuates the myth that you're somehow a bad person if you show signs of aging.

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    ...there is a myth like that?

    Women and men are not supposed to hold the secret to beauty for infinite amount of years, for actors and actresses who are dependent on their looks, they would always have the choice to stop being dependent on their looks or improve their looks.

    The choice is not related to any sort of culture, but the consumption choices of consumers.

    If a person liked the look of another person in their 20s, they don't need to like their looks forever in their 40s and 50s.

    This feels like not really the reason.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think it might be similar to CGI in movies: you do not notice those good ones, they blend in and look natural. But you DO notice those that went wrong or way too far.

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  • [–] 90 points 11 months ago

    I don't hate the people who got cosmetic surgeries done on themselves, but I hate the culture that made them feel like they needed them. I also think it often just doesn't look good.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Excess vanity is not a good look.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Do they hate it? I mean, not liking something does not mean hating that something (I don't like bananas, I'm fine with people eating them and have never campaigned to ban bananas from our tables, not even from mine ;).

    And if they do hate it, why would that be an issue? Why does it matter?

    The reason I am asking is because I saw a lot of women who look great after surgeries and I see nothing wrong with them, but when I browse Reddit I see people hating on them so hard, why?

    I find most 'cosmetic' plastic surgery... rather not cosmetic at all, to be 100% honest and I often find the end result a lot less pleasing than the original version was, but people are free to do what they like with their own body whether I like or not—exactly like I'm free to not like it, and say it.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Can't say I'm proud of my reaction, but it is what it is.

    1. It makes the person look uncanny, which is naturally unsettling
    2. I can't empathize with the decision to surgically change your body for whatever reason. So we're less likely to relate to each other.

    It's also really not that high on the scale of seriousness. It's like the same weight as if I saw you wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey or something.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    Probably because they look terrible.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    I see a difference between e.g. restorative cosmetic surgery, e.g. after an accident on one hand, and creating cow tits and Mar-a-Lago lips on the other.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    On Lemmy and Reddit? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_face

    "Excessive" obvious cosmetic surgery became a status symbol, and then it got politicized.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Because your face says a lot about you. By modifying it, you're lying.
    Not my conviction, but that's the subconscious reasoning.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    There was a time, when it was actively pushed onto women, and also people made fun of really bad ones on the internet later on, so plastic surgery became synonymous with weird oversized breasts and duck beak lips.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    1000% preference. Like fake tans, comestic surgery items like "Bolted on tits", lip fillers, and fake muscles look weird and unnatural. To me it looks like a slightly deformed human and instinct says stay away from that. However, I have cowokers who love that stuff. If there is a time in future where it looks more natural id probably more for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    you don't notice it if it looks natural

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    That's an argument many pro cosmetic surgery folks say. Just like I prefer a good burger versus a bad one, if you could guarantee the same standard on every human then its just a money thing. I did quite a bit of research 10 years ago and it seemed it wasn't worth it when I spoke to professionals then. Im certain it will improve as time goes on. But at my age going to be like putting new lights in a haunted mansion 😅

    Unless what you are saying is some people want to others to notice like the human Ken doll. After watching him talk in a documentary that guy screams "I needs therapy". He literally said he wouldnt do this if everyone did it. It's not healthy to mutilate yourself for attention mate.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago*

    It's self mutilation in response to a mental illness cause by societal pressures and misogyny. Chopping up your face to appear younger, should not be something anyone feels the need to do.

    Not all cosmetic surgery is this. Helping burn victims or people who have suffered injuries, nothing wrong with any of that. There's lots of legitimate reasons for cosmetic surgery to exist. But so much of it is the symptom of a broken society.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    If I have a daughter I hope I can teach her to love and appreciate herself for who she is, be proud of herself and that everyone is beautiful and worthy, rather than to fit in with the stereotypical standards of beauty and if she doesn't match that, she has to get surgery to do so.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I will tell you from personal experience it sure makes you feel a certain way when your insurance denies a treatment for a life-threatening condition and that same system says that unnecessary treatments are a fine use of resources.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Cosmetic or elective procedures aren't covered by insurance though. If you mean resources like doctors, I agree somewhat, but insurance denying/underpaying/jamming access to essential procedures to force profit is a separate issue, and a much bigger one.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    It's a very vain thing to waste your money on that most of us cannot afford.

    I don't blame people for getting it when they have exceptional flaws, but for normal people to get it is rather disgusting.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    gee I don't know, maybe it's because these poster children are bonkers?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It often makes people look terrible

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Vanity is cringe enough even without literally chopping yourself up in its pursuit.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    My daughter says she hates it because it means money can make you look better.

    I kind of like that though - it is more democratic than "natural beauty" being the standard. If beauty is something you do or buy, maybe people think it's cheating, but how is that worse than it being luck?

    Don't imagine I'll ever have enough $ to want to spend it on cosmetic surgery, but I knew a lady with bad skin tone - she had a baby and was overweight, lost the weight but her torso skin stayed stretched out, all saggy. She got a tummy tuck and boob lift and holy cow it looked amazing, she felt so good about her body and said "it cost as much as a car but I will drive my body much longer than my car.". Nobody is going to convince me that's a bad thing that she ought not have done. She wasn't disfigured before, she did it to look good and she sure did.

    Every person owns their own body and should modify it however they want. I am not against even creative cosmetic surgery, you want elf ears, go for it. And I do not think ugly people are under any obligation to get modified so that they look "better" either. Whatever the individual wants, it is their call. This is one situation where I really feel it is not my business at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Because to me I see it as wearing a mask and faking who you are.

    I also feel the same with makeup but worse (chemicals that destroy your skin).

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    It is really a class issue. Elective cosmetic surgery can be tough to get covered under insurance. So it is an economic thing. Millions of people on SNAP with no healthcare while the elite play with aging and off label prescription medication usage.

    I don't think people respond to it that way, but I think that there is something there.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I had a gf who lived in a camper in an RV park. She could afford a touch of botox a couple of times a year. She was 50 and looked 40, if not younger. You would have never guessed she did that.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    For health reasons, nothing to object. For pure vanity, it makes no sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    For me, I find it sad. There is so much pressure on people (especially women) to look a certain way. I find beauty in uniqueness. When a certain "look" becomes fashionable, you see a lot of people get the same face. Then, you see people get "addicted" to the surgeries, and end up looking totally alien.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Dunno… why do people hate fake money so much?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Mainly because it's a side effect of hollywood/social media. But i'm also very happy with how I look, so i can't really judge people for trying to look different.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Vast majority is unnecessary and winds up looking worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    i wonder if there are more "good" ones that simply go unnoticed

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Laura Loomer. Jere Burns. Stallone. Priscilla Presley. Seen Carrot Top lately. Maybe Lil Kim. How about Burt Reynolds. The entire Jenner family. List goes on and on. I have no idea what citation you want besides my own eyes. And please note I’m talking about plastic surgery. Not reconstructive.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Depends on who you ask. But I can see why it goes against the values of various groups.

    I don't hate it, your body your choice. In excess it looks silly but I don't have to look.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Bcus peops hate wen others do things with their own bodies , specially wen those surgeries (or any other body modification) don't conform to societal expectations

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    ITT people who dont undersrand the difference between objective data sets and anecdotes.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Function >> Form

    It's useless to paint your skin to make it look like something healthy, when the body's insides are not really so.

    And if I am going to pay an exorbitant amount of money to have an extra layer of skin, it better be giving me +10 slash/pierce resist.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I can tell you why certain boomers hate/hated it, from what they've shared out loud:

    Because apparently it means you might end up with ugly children but not know. So they say it's a form of deception.

    Those people also usually dislike make-up too.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    They hate 'em cause they ain't 'em. Most cosmetic surgery looks good, and you just don't notice it. And then these people get treated nicer and go farther in life, because good looking people garner more support and sympathy than less good looking people.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Because they are hypocritical And sexist. No one ever bitches about the work men get. And all anyone bitches about are tits and lips.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago

    Probably a lot of noise coming from the incels.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago*

    Hating? Are you sure you're reading that right?

    Or maybe criticising/disliking when people make themselves look weird because their ego can't handle the fact we all get older.

    I've known people who've had work done, small things, and no one would ever know.

    What they didn't do was have their face pulled back so tight at 60 that they look like a caricature of their 20-year-old self.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That kind of hate is almost definitely coming from other women. I'd say that from an evolutionary psychology perspective, it's about them raising the bar for everyone by going the extra mile to look pretty. It's the same idea as is behind slut-shaming: if you're giving sex too easily, then it starts being expected from us too. Or if your neighbor buys a new car, now suddenly your own car feels devalued and you resent them for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    That kind of hate is almost definitely coming from other women. I’d say that from an evolutionary psychology perspective, it’s about them raising the bar for everyone by going the extra mile to look pretty.

    There is a lot of suppositions going on. First, that there is actually a significant amount of 'hate' being expressed (see my other comment to the op). Then, that any of that cosmetic surgery actually 'raises the bar' (and make any woman look ‘prettier’) compared to, let's call them non-surgically modified or ‘non-enhanced’ women. Then, that those 'enhanced' women are in anyway more successful in what they want to achieve compared to those other women. Finally that those other women feel in way threatened by that group. It could also be interesting to consider what we consider as cosmetic surgery (and not), how this has developed, and since what time.

    In regard to the usefulness of cosmetic surgery as a way to mate/date (which I imagine is one of the main reasons why anyone would do it) I can only speak for myself, aka as an old dude that has been in a relationship for more than 20 years. But even when I was a lot younger, when I was a lot less focused on any single person in my life, I never dated a woman that had 'raised' the bar you mentioned. It was not what I was looking for in a woman. And I would be curious to get data on how many of those women manage to find a partner and then to keep it compared to the other women?

    I had preferences but outside of those ‘couple nights fun times', a lot more important to me than the look was (and would still be) an interesting personality, aka a woman with as much brains as possible. Brains could not and still can’t be surgically enhanced so, obviously, the kind of women I was seriously interested in were the ones willing to put it in the actual time and efforts to make their brains ‘look’ better ;)

    Any other type of ‘enhancement’ to me looked like a serious waste of precious time, and resources.

    Maybe I was completely wrong and maybe it’s just me being odd? Could very well be. I remember as a teen, I had a few pictures of girls on the walls of my room taken out of magazines. Most of them were not top models or actresses they were... female writers and artists I admired and they were pinned alongside (at least as many) male ones. I fantasized a lot more about meeting people like Virginia Woolf (Still one dream of mine, to this very day) and Jane Austen (or, say, my dear Flaubert and Tolstoy) than with any actress or top model... no matter how ‘perfect’ they (or their boobs) looked like in the magazines.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago

    They are poor and jealous.

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