European countries proposed a radical alternative Ukraine peace plan on Sunday that omits some of the pro-Russia points made in the original US-backed document and calls for Kyiv’s sovereignty to be respected.

The counter-proposal emerged as US, Ukrainian and international negotiators met in Switzerland. The 28-point US document leaked last week demands Ukraine hand over territory to Russia, limits the size of its army and agrees not to pursue the Kremlin for alleged war crimes.

Having been blindsided by Washington’s initiative, Ukraine’s European allies published their Kyiv-friendly plan on Sunday. It says negotiations over territory should take place after a ceasefire is agreed and should start from the line of contact – the existing frontline.

It says both parties would agree how any truce would be monitored “under US supervision”. Unlike the White House text, the European alternative does not call for Kyiv to withdraw from cities it controls in eastern Donbas. Nor does it rule out Ukraine’s membership of Nato, but points out there is no consensus over its membership.

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[–] 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

And to be very CLEAR, about the deliberate treason by the Trumptraitor:

  • As discussions began in Geneva, Donald Trump said Ukraine had shown “zero gratitude” for US efforts to end the conflict

  • Speculation based on the use of language in the plan suggests it may have been written in Russian and later translated into English.

  • " A group of US senators said Rubio told them the text was not an American one. It was, they said, a Russian document deliberately leaked by Moscow which the US then passed on to Ukraine.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Yes I'm sure if Zelensky wanted to surrender half his country, he could ask Putin for terms himself.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    to surrender half his country

    And Zelensky would probably consider this for peace in a alternate universe, if it wasn't for the 1000% untrustworthy Putin who always breaks treaties and promises.

    Also RF "stole" (I don't know what's even the proper name) a minimum of 20K children, and and are momentarily brainwashing them. Some are being trained to fight against Ukraine.

    That's probably a pill many find ( too) hard to swallow.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Kidnapped would be the correct term, no?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Kidnapped

    Is usually is a term used when asking for a "ransom" they ask money or something, and usually people are taken for a (limited) period of time.

    I's more like human trafficking, but still it's not the right term . In a way its a combination of kidnapping, human trafficking and sort of genocidal thing. Or all the above? #Ed quoting layout

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    there is no may about it, several people who speak Russian state it is obvious.
    Among them Anders Puk Nielsen, a military analyst from Denmark that speaks Russian has expressed it is obvious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx3oGZYqxm4
    Sorry I don't remember the timestamp, but this guy is among the most trusted analysts on the Ukraine war.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Why is there a need for "under US supervision"?

    That alone tells you how much of a cuck European leaders are. The war is on their doorstep and they're relying on what is a despotic regime aligned with Russia to gauge fairness.

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    [–] 68 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No shit? Neither do the rest of us.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck you Trump...I'd gladly give the 200 billion you gave the Nazis at ice to real Patriots in Ukraine

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Thank you president Trump for this amazing peace plan. Many people are saying this is the GRESTEST PEACE PLAN in the history of the world. All of the greatest world leaders came to me and said "Sir, this is bigger than the Treaty of Verseye". They said I should win TWO Noble Peace Prizes for this.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Then they all clapped and started crying.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Every single European leader except Orban is super annoyed with Trump over this joke of a peace plan.
    There are pretty strong voices that the trying to sweet talk Trump has failed, it's time we tell him the truth.
    I really really hope European leaders will do that, and also explain to him how he undermines NATO and paves the way for China to do the same as Russia.
    Trump may not give a shit, but the American politicians who still have a shred of sense should.
    As it is we cannot use USA in NATO for anything, and we cannot rely on USA even as a for profit weapons supplier.
    USA tax Ukraine and Europe 10% extra for weapons exports to profit off the current situation, and they have given zero aid since Trump took over in January.
    USA is not an ally, they are a leech on former allies now. USA is not working for democracy but against it.

    I am so disgusted with USA I don't have words. And I don't mean just Trump, but America as a whole! Because it is America as a nation that is letting itself be represented by this moronic malignant narcissist.

    I know there are good Americans, but they are not the ones deciding things, and they are 100% ineffective in curbing the damage of trump.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Agreed. If Americans really didn't want Trump in the white house they would have all gone to the polls in 2024, instead of staying home or believing the narrative that Biden/Harris were fully responsible for gas prices and cost of living issues. The truth is that since Reagan, they have been brainwashed into voting against their own interests by a deliberately underfunded education system, to the point where a majority cannot read as well as an 11 year old everywhere else in the world. The dumber they get the more votes the GOP gets.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Oh dear the demented rapist remembered no one loves him again.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    frozen Russian assets would be [...] partly given to US investors.

    This is why Trump likes this plan.

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  • DID YOU EVER SAY THANK YOU???!?

    Yes, actually I've thanked the US on numerous...

    WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING SUIT?!?!?!

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I'd love a major news outlet to write the headline

    "Trump says Ukraine has 'zero gratitude' for his unconditional surrender plan"

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    “Yes, thank you so much for trying to fuck Ukraine in the ass…”

    🙄

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It is not a peace plan; it is a piece plan, as in Russia gets a piece of Ukraine plan!

    Come on guys, I thought this was obvious at this point.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Similarly, Trump hasn't shown much gratitude to the country for forcing the release of the Epstein files.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Jesus Christ, Grandpa is not well.

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    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Just imagine it, Americans: You could have had the kind of Government that does the job right the first time, rather than the last (if at all). Let me tell you: it's amazingly boring, and you should totally try it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I'm glad we are backing away from that retarded 'peace plan'.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    "Years of pressure have shown us that persistence is rewarded. We pushed and the West eventually adjusted its expectations to ours. We can do anything." - Some Russian Official

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    "In the war between Russia an Ukraine, America was the first to surrender"

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    [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I'd expect no more gratitude than one would have from a relative volunteering them for a task without asking first.

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