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[–] 237 points 11 months ago (11 children)

What IS a fucking hate symbol then????

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Soon the peace gesture with your 2 fingers will be considered an ANTIFA symbol and warrant immediate deportation.

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  • [–] 114 points 11 months ago

    Combine this policy with declaring anti-fascists as terrorists, and I think a pattern is emerging here.

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  • [–] 93 points 11 months ago

    Oh for a moment there I was beginning to doubt the direction of USA.
    Well I guess it's still full steam ahead to dismantle democracy and introduce an authoritarian dictatorship.

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  • [–] 91 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Ah, a potentially divisive hand gesture, inscrutable, controversial and puzzling. What on Earth could it mean?

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  • [–] 77 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Brief anecdote. In school, we used to draw swastikas on everything in order to get others in trouble or to make ourselves seem like assholes. At no point did we consider what we were doing ok, it was just kids riding the edge of something they couldn’t understand for the sake of ignominy. Even we, as ignorant as we were, recognized that the swastika was a hate symbol and thoroughly unacceptable, we were, again, just assholes.

    I’ve been saying this quite a lot but this culture war bodes poorly.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    On a similar tangent, I find hilarity in poorly drawn swastikas - or to use an entertaining but horrendously ablest term, a spastika.

    I make no apology for equating the sort of dickhead that scrawls this shit everywhere in adult life with the sort of clueless fuckwit that tests sockets with a fork, and couldn't pour water out of a boot even if the instructions were on the soles.

    I don't often like punching down on the lesser-intellectual folk (mainly because I'm dumb as rocks for 23 hours of the day myself) but this is one of the few times I enjoy the opportunity.

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  • [–] 68 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES IS CALLING FOR LAWMAKERS TO BE EXECUTED FOR UPHOLDING THE LAW! WTF IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS SHIT?

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  • [+] 58 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago

    Instead, the Coast Guard will classify the Nazi-era insignia as 'potentially divisive' under its new guidelines. The new policy, set to take effect Dec. 15, similarly downgrades the definition of nooses and the Confederate flag

    Threatening racial lynchings is "potentially divisive" but not hateful, apparently. I guess there are very fine people on both sides of the white supremacist lynchings debate.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago* (13 children)

    I know its a drama we're past by now but I can't help but think about the people who defended Platner with the line "the military would have stopped him if it was really a Nazi tattoo." Because most of us knew that in fact they would not, and now they have put it in writing.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

    Platner said that the marines actually rejected his reenlistment for having death's head forearm tattoos (even though he says got it while in the marines and that it was a common tattoo for marines to have) so he had to join the army out desperation. He really was determined to go back over there and kill more brown people.

    Although reading it now it seems the marines rejected him for having visible tattoos on his arm.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    But I thought he didn't know what it was? So he thought they rejected his reenlistement because of a regular skull tattoo?

    Sketchy af

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    He was in the Marines, they aren't known for being particularly bright outside of maybe the specialists, NCOs, and COs. They ain't called America's greatest crayon eaters for nothing, but hey since the 80s or so theyve diversified their eating habits with MRE wrappers and chemical heaters.

    I grew up round Vietnam era army mud boots, I will take any opportunity to bash the Marines.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    So then he's not bright enough to serve in Congress. Either he knew, which is bad, or he was too stupid to know, which is also bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Would really depend on if he has improved since then, I'm from the opposite side of the county so I don't have too much horse in this race so I am too ignorant to say if he has improved or not. Youd have to do actual research on him and frankly speaking I don't give a damn I just want to make haha Marines stupid jokes.

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  • Why is it that if he's a dumb young 20 he can't gain any intelligence? Why is the line I keep seeing from people "well he didn't know at the time, and that's damning enough", like, do you know anyone who has ever signed up for the military at 18-25 to bd 'smart' or informed?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Can you give a source on that or a general direction on where to look? I've heard about the tattoo and looked into it during the initial controversy and did not find that information at the time.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    I must've misread. He actually says the marines rejected him for having visible tattoos on his arm, not the actual skull tattoo.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If you know about MARADMIN, can you elaborate on what he means? I looked it up and understand it as a kind of code of conduct, but don't see what changed in 2007, just that he said a USMC based tattoo was what prevented him.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • Thank you for this. I gave it a good (confusing) read, they could stand to type in less capitals.

    I can see the regulations outlined, but not that he was turned away for it being a known nazi symbol or anything based on that description, it sounds like he got a tattoo without clearing it or reporting it on his paperwork and chose not to appeal, based on his words there in the reddit post.

    I appreciate you finding that for me, it was hard to parse all the google garbage

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  • [–] 60 points 11 months ago (21 children)

    Following the double negative rule: Anti Anti Fascists leaves you with

    Fascists

    The USA is dropping the mask for all the world to see.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago* (19 children)

    AND STILL PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS NORMAL! AT THIS POINT I WANT TO SEE MASS PANIC SO I KNOW I'M NOT CRAZY! AND I'M IN CANADA, I WANT MASS PANIC IN CANADA! I AT LEAST WANT THIS SHIT TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH THAT CANADIANS STOP FUCKING GOING TO THE STATES AS IF EVERYTHING IS NORMAL!

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    It would be nice if Canadians would also stop voting for politicians who lead Canada in the same direction as the USA. We need to turn left, not right.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    When you you hit rock bottom at America's level we'll have an ice cold imported beer ready for you and you can pull up a chair with us around the destructive bonfire immolating western civilization. We've got hot dogs and everything. I know you dont love us right now but in a weird twist Americans are still big fans of Canada.

    I think I read that American approval of Canadians is 94% while simultaneously two thirds of Canadians not only dont trust the US but feel like they can never trust us again.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

    AND STILL PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS NORMAL!

    Nope, we'rs not. But I, like many people, am in a marginalized/bum-fuck town. So, my opinion doesn't matter until the polls open. We voted against this evil, and we will again. But, our government wants to embrace the evil.

    We can see it wants to. We don't want it to. But, most of us don't matter to the government. We're not big-dollar donors, so our politicians will ignore us. They've minimalized most people so all that we can do is vote against it.

    But, with where the Overton window is, we have one party running with regular evil while the other suggests a diet version of evil.

    I AT LEAST WANT THIS SHIT TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH THAT CANADIANS STOP FUCKING GOING TO THE STATES

    With how dried up tourism is, it would seem like they're already doing it. Yet, the government is still going down this path. So, it's not that big of an impact.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    You say that, but the US is full of people still just going about their business. The country is operating fairly normally, all things considered, and the best you’ve got are sanctioned protests that are great for showing that people don’t love the situation but aren’t actually doing anything that couldn’t be responded to with an AI video of king Trump shit bombing everyone. Oh, and a Californian conservative who makes memes mocking Trump but is himself pretty shit.

    Maybe for a nation of cowards this is action, but really it’s just sad. You’re taking it lying down, and half of you are even fighting to make sure that ya’ll get completely fucked.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    personally, I'm trans and I'm just trying to survive while I build an exit plan. damn right I'm laying down - I'm laying low.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Right?

    Like, the best thing a member of a loathed and marginalized community can do is to have an escape plan. They're foaming at the mouth with rage and drooling at the opportunity for a hated group to put up an ounce of resistance so they can round them up for the camps. What kind of opposition can one transgender person in a one bedroom at night put up against an armed SWAT team?

    It'll be someone else's job to resist with an organized force. The trick isn't surviving long enough to be rescued from Auschwitz. The trick is knowing when and how to get away before Auschwitz becomes a thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    I want America to revolt too, at the same time it's a bit much to ask considering people will die if it happens. Really, my anger and frustration is more directed at congress and the Supreme Court, the people who are supposed to be responsible for protecting America from this sort of thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They don’t need to start shooting, but they do need to take it seriously. For fuck’s sake not every problem needs to be solved by violence but every problem does need to be solved by people giving a shit at least. Meanwhile there are still hordes of people in the US just pretending like nothing is all that wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Agreed but I'm not sure what normal citizens can do. They can vote in the midterms but I fear Trump will rig that. Short of violence, I guess a general strike is the best option.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    At this point I’d literally take just seeing more people actually caring and fewer people “not being political”. Caring about politics is not a niche interest. You don’t have to be an expert but the lack of comprehension around the subject all over the world, especially in places like the US and Canada where information is so easy to find, is fucking insane to me.

    It would be sick if we could throw out the idea that this isn’t fucking Star Wars and we don’t need to take Conservatives seriously as the only other option outside of the centrists to get some kind of light-side/dark-side balance.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I agree, it frustrates me to no end that people think politics is something that is okay to just not be interested in, like movies or video games. Lack of interest in politics is how America git into this situation. How do people not understand that people's rights and freedoms are taken away because of "politics"? How are there still people in America oblivious that they're living in a fascist dictatorship?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I remember one guy telling a story where someone he met was saying that, well into Harris’ campaign, they really hoped the country got togehter and voted against Biden. As in, to be abundantly clear, they didn’t know that Biden hadn’t been on the ballot for months but they did have a very strong feeling about the him getting elected.

    Here in Montréal we elected a mayor and party that are full of scandals and who ride developper dick during a housing crisis. 63% of the city rents but only 36% of the city showed up to vote and most of them voted for the cartoonishly bad party and a shocking amount voted for the “more parking garages downtown” party. It was, frankly, embarrassing as hell.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    but the US is full of people still just going about their business.

    Because we aren't important enough for politicians to pay attention to. Our calls just go straight into an answering machine that gets ignored because we're not big-dollar donors like Musk. Musk probably has a direct line.

    the best you’ve got are sanctioned protests that are great for showing that people don’t love the situation but aren’t actually doing anything that couldn’t be responded to with an AI video of king Trump shit bombing everyone.

    Yeah. We are in poverty. We have had stagnant wages for like 40 years, but rampent inflation. This is the second gilded age like it was in the 20s and earlier. The rich have everything and direct lines to politicians, and the poor need 3 gig jobs and a regular job just to afford rent and food. In a work heap like this, we need foreknowledge to schedule our protests around. We can't afford the privilege of just taking off and protesting.

    Maybe for a nation of cowards this is action, but really it’s just sad. You’re taking it lying down, and half of you are even fighting to make sure that ya’ll get completely fucked.

    Again, you're conflating poverty and desperation in a backdrop of political corruption as aquiesence.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Sure, but why do so many people in the US jot even seem to be aware of what’s happening? Why are things still happening like this is just a rainy day and not a biblical flood?

    I’m not going to ask for violence specifically but from the outside looking in it’s like most of the country doesn’t even know that anything particularly bad is happening.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Honestly, I understand why my parents aren't even panicking, the country we lived in before coming to the US, also had random arbitary policy changes, so... this just feels normal to them, authoritarianism is normal to them.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago*

    Literally the defining symbol for the term 'hate symbol'.

    Hey, what's a hate symbol? Oh, you know, like a swatztika. Ohh, right of course, how could I be so fucking dumb? Jesus CHRIST. Dude, calm down, it's-- NO. PUNCH ME IN THE FACE, I'M TRASH.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    Why would white supremacists see swastikas as hate symbols?

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Of course Nazis don't think the Nazi symbol is a hate symbol.

    That would be like me saying the weed leaf image is a hate symbol.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    For context that means a guy like this would now be allowed to serve. They check your tattoos when you come in so this doesn’t qualify as a hate symbol now.

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  • [+] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    For the rest of us, we've seen it coming for about 25 years. And we kept telling you.

    You got belligerent and started waving your flags harder.

    Now you tell us to "worry about your own country" when we say we told you so.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    The ones who say to worry about your country are the ones here who saw this for decades as well and are trying to tell you we see the same shit starting all over the place over seas. If you act like you are above it, the same shit will happen to you all. Alot of us unfortunately didnt fight hard enough when we needed to due to thinking most people here weren't as stupid as they are and we are now pretty much fucked. Don't repeat our mistake thinking you have less idiots in your countries, the rot starts beneath the surface first just because you think you've cleaned the surface doesnt mean the infestation isnt festering below. Don't be like us, be 100 times more proactive.

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  • [+] 20 points 11 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    great; now hegseth can finally finish his chest tattoo

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    They have declared that nooses and swatzikas are not hate symbols, time to test that by drawing a picture of a Nazi being hanged I guess

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    As my high school English teacher once said, "a horse is hung, a person is hanged"

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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    What the fuck‽

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  • [–] 51 points 11 months ago

    Please put an NSFW tag on that image, it can get you in trouble if you accidentally show it in public in many countries, for good reason.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It wasnt even 24 hours before the the colossal apopcalyptic blowback on this made them reverse their decision.

    Now we just have to wonder why they want to make hate symbols okay in the military.. I'm sure its totally not anything to do with trying to build a white nationalist military that will gleefull obey illegal orders and slaughter the "other" in the streets at piggy boys command.

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