What is the best current gaming laptop that comes with Linux pre-installed? I don’t want to “pay Microsoft” by buying a Windows-licensed machine. Please suggest the best value-for-money option (original retail price) with 32 GB or more of RAM. I’m willing to upgrade hardware myself, but I want a high-quality, durable machine — I plan to use this laptop for more than five years.

“What is your budget?”

around $1,400 USD, but if there is a $2000 laptop with higher ratio of quality / price I would choose that one.

“What size do you want?”

Any normal size.

“What screen resolution?”

Any, as long as it’s not 720p.

“Which GPU?”

As good as possible, I care more about highest ratio of quality / price

“And if you want warranty, which country are you in?”

I don’t need a warranty.

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[–] 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Linux preinstalled is going to remove a lot of candidates. If you relax your requirements to include known setups/components that work well with Linux then that would help expand your options. The amount that Microsoft gets from the preinstalled license is likely negligible.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The only reason I'm asking linux is I don't want my money taken by microsoft. I believe most laptop like dell would work with linux well enough. If I'm good with windows preinstalled, which laptop would have the highest ratio of quality / price?

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Dell offers Ubuntu on some models.

    You might get better answers in a Linux community, since that's the focus of your question.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    The System76 Pangolin has an AMD APU that's pretty powerful. I have the Ryzen7 model, but the newer ones are Ryzen9. Comes pre-installed with Pop_OS!, but they also provide firmware packages for Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, and NixOS. I've also tested Nobara and Bazzite on it with good results.

    https://system76.com/laptops/pang15/configure

    I can play pretty much any game, as long as it runs in Proton normally, with very little FPS issues. Only games that chug are poorly optimized to begin with, but usually dropping the res to 1600x900 with FSR on will fix most issues.

    Also, "most economical" is tough these days with the tariffs and all. I got my Pangolin for $1000 shipped, then a few months later the tariffs hit and the price rose to $1500 before shipping.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    System76 Pangolin

    Does it support dual-booting Windows and Pop!_OS? I might still need Windows for a few games. How hard is it to install Windows and steam and run games properly on this laptop? Is it basically just using Rufus and clicking through the install? thank you very much!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I might still need Windows for a few games.

    You probably don't, unless it's for multiplayer anti-cheat. I don't think I've had any significant issues with Linux gaming in 6+months. Basically everything just works now, Cyberpunk very much included.

    Not a guarantee of course, but in my experience it's pretty awesome and I don't miss Windows at all. Dual-booting for a year was silly and overly paranoid, in actuality I ignored the Windows partition almost entirely.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'll never touch Windows again, and stopped using it over a decade ago. I unfortunately don't have any experience related to this laptop, but when it comes to dual-booting other OS's it's no different than any other machine. I can't imagine it would have issues with Windows, and System76 has some info on installing Windows

    I don't have to do anything special to run games, though. I pirate a lot, and play legit Steam games as well. Only issues I run into are related to anti-cheat, but that's nothing new for Linux gaming. Once you're in Windows, it likely won't be any different than using Windows on another machine.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The System76 Pangolin has an AMD APU that’s pretty powerful. I have the Ryzen7 model, but the newer ones are Ryzen9. Comes pre-installed with Pop_OS!, but they also provide firmware packages for Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, and NixOS. I’ve also tested Nobara and Bazzite on it with good results.

    Thank you I will check it now

    Also, “most economical” is tough these days with the tariffs and all. I got my Pangolin for $1000 shipped, then a few months later the tariffs hit and the price rose to $1500 before shipping.

    By most economical I actually meant value-for-money option (original retail price) I have edited my post.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I just saw your other comment where you mention wanting to play CyberPunk 2077. FWIW, it runs great on my Ryzen7 model almost highest settings, so I'm sure it won't have any issues on the Ryzen9.

    Good luck with the hunt!

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago*

    I just saw your other comment where you mention wanting to play CyberPunk 2077. FWIW, it runs great on my Ryzen7 model almost highest settings, so I’m sure it won’t have any issues on the Ryzen9.

    thanks for the feedback!

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Lenovo Legion. If you pick a configurable one and remove windows they'll lower the price accordingly (sometimes 100€ for windows pro). Some models offer Linux pre-installed.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What is your budget?

    What size do you want?

    What screen resolution?

    Which GPU?

    And if you want warranty, which country are you in?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago

    “What is your budget?”

    around $1,400 USD

    “What size do you want?”

    Any normal size.

    “What screen resolution?”

    Any, as long as it’s not 720p.

    “Which GPU?”

    As good as possible, but I’m fine with something reasonably priced. I just need to play Cyberpunk 2077 on medium or high settings at around 90 FPS.

    “And if you want warranty, which country are you in?”

    I don’t need a warranty.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Tuxedo Computers ship Linux 😀

    I'd recommend something AMD if you want fast and stable graphics drivers.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I had a 3060 and the support for wayland was just terrible.

    Loads of games didn't work on proton or ran terribly.

    Moment I switch to AMD on Linux I have not had any crashes, and games run out of the box with good performance.

    Just my experience, there is no real reason why most people need nvidia GPUs on Linux. The vram is small, and prices often don't compete well with AMD.

    CUDA and other media stuff is usually a strawman as most people literally never it. If you need that desktop with SSH is much better value for money.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    What other GPU options are available for Linux? Or does gaming with Proton simply require a powerful AMD CPU?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    AMD drivers for linux are simply superior in the same class. See the new Gamer's Nexus video. The 9070xt beats the 5090 not just once.

    The CPU matters, but the drivers on AMD support linux much better.

    If you've got the dough a AMD 395 with 128GiB is the best thing you can get for mobile linux imo.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    Framework 16?

    Definitely something to consider in terms of longevity. User replacable RAM, storage, and battery.

    And they've now successfully done the first mainboard and gpu refresh.

    Linux would not be pre-installed, but it can be purchased without windows.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Framework 16?

    I'm choosing now between Framework laptop and System76 laptop. Both seems great, but System76 laptop seems to have a better quality judging by the looks of it?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    I went with a Framework 16 and upped it to 48gb ram with the graphics extension. That thing is a powerhouse. I didn't get it for gaming, but for design work. Still, it can play anything out now on the highest settings and is fully modular so I'm planning to be buried with this thing.

    ETA: I also went the Linux route and don't have any regrets.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Framework laptops are really cool, but the modular design seems to make them more vulnerable.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I had a FW16 for about a year. I got fed up with the poor fit and finish, and utterly unreliable USB-A expansion modules.

    System76 sure ain't perfect either, at least my pangolin 15 leaves a lot to be desired between the shit trackpad, awful battery drain during suspend, and extremely limited BIOS config options. But it's put together way better than a Framework 16 is

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago

    System76 sure ain’t perfect either, at least my pangolin 15 leaves a lot to be desired between the shit trackpad, awful battery drain during suspend, and extremely limited BIOS config options.

    Makes sense, I guess it could be better with AMD chips

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    PSA: Don’t buy a gaming laptop. They are trash. The plastic case will melt, the wifi card will come loose, the battery will die within minutes. A steam deck is truly your best option.

    And never ever buy alienware. Screw them in particular.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    whats with alienware? bad quality?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Overpriced, over-hyped consumer hardware that's loud, obnoxious, and not that much better than significantly cheaper options.

    You're paying for the brand, and a bunch of obnoxious LED lights that are plugged in to every spare inch of the thing.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Correction, don't buy a cheap gaming laptop. There are plenty of ones like the lenovo legion and rog strix g16 that have good build quality and will last you years.

    The ones with crappy plastic and overheat regularly are usually the ones under $1000

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Take a look at Slimbook, I've had one for many years and very happy.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I had a good experience with my tuxedo laptop(i have a Tuxedo Sirius 16)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    System76 Oryx Pro is a very powerful laptop that fits your requirements, except for price.

    I have an older Oryx Pro that I bought second hand, Intel i7 10875H, RTX 2060, 32Gb ram and 2x 1Tb nvme ssds.
    Originally came with Pop!_OS but now runs Gentoo.
    Performs well in terms of gaming and modelling shit in freecad to send to my 3d printers.

    Big downside is fan noise. The moment you do anything requiring the gfx chip the thing get louder than an old 727 on takeoff.

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