Based on the description on their site, the controller includes a built-in battery: "8.39 Wh Li-ion battery​, 35+ hours of gameplay... "

That was disappointing for me. Specially condidering the Steam Frame's controllers make use of AA batteries: "​One replaceable AA battery per controller, ​ 40hr battery life​"

AA Batteries might not be as convenient to use, but being able to replace them is a great advantage. All my Xbox360 controllers still work fine, but none of my PS3' Dualshock 3s.

The official docking station could be used to recharge (rechargables) AA batteries so the functionality could remain the same.

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[–] 164 points 11 months ago (59 children)

All my Xbox360 controllers still work fine, but none of my PS3' Dualshock 3s.

An important thing to note is that the Steam Controller will be user-serviceable and they want to continue their partnership with ifixit

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is a very good point. If it's as easy to replace as AA and it lasts longer, it's just better all around.

    A few problems: it will still use rare earth metals, and those are a hot political topic right now with China restricting them

    The fact that AAs are eternal. Who knows if this specific battery will still be available in 10 years.

    Also, the small problem of you can't just buy a new one at Walmart. It is small, but out of sight, out of mind, and out of the public consciousness.

    Problems with Li-ion itself, I suppose. What we really need is a standardized small rectangle form factor since Li-ion is just more efficient in that shape.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If there's a market for it, replacements will be made. You can buy a replacement PS5 battery for $5. You can also buy a iPhone 4 battery (still). LiPos are quite easy to make (geopolitics aside) so making one that fits is not hard at all.

    The PS5 battery has a plug, if the Steam Controller is like that (probably is), the only tool required is a screwdriver, which seems like a great tradeoff to replace the battery every 5+ years instead of every week or two, and being able to recharge it easily and quickly.

    Worst case scenario you have to use a generic battery that is about the right size instead of a perfect fit. Maybe a little less battery life but it's still more than enough anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Recharging them is far superior to replacing alkaline. All electronics with lipid should be user serviceable able as well, but for something like a game controller, AAs are not the solution, far more wasteful since you’re adding batteries to the landfill ever 40 hours, as opposed to every 5 years.

    Plus if it’s rechargeable with a USB C then you can plug it in and keep playing, or just use them as corded controllers once the battery capacity has diminished if you don’t feel like repairing it.

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  • [+] -56 points 11 months ago (55 children)
  • [–] 84 points 11 months ago (54 children)

    Because it means you can probably swap your battery with a single screw or two.

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  • [+] -58 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (53 children)

    I'm not doing that on a regular basis. I can swap the battery in my Xbox controller without any screws.

    E: Wow, I really love being downvoted for my opinion. Super cool shit, guys.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago (39 children)

    Not downvoting you, but you’re not being reasonable. Serviceable means actually serviceable. It might be “better” to use AA batteries but if they can’t, the next best thing would be that it can be serviced by the actual end consumer. And yeah if you’re planning on fixing your own things you may need to own a screwdriver.

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  • [+] -39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (38 children)

    I don't think you understand. I'm not talking about service. No one is talking about normal use. We're talking about swappable batteries. Remember like we had in phones back in the day? I swap the batteries on my current controller every few days. It's not unreasonable to expect modern controllers to have the same functionality they had 20 years ago...

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    I, for one, still don't understand why you want to swap batteries. I'm assuming you're talking about rechargable AA batteries, and not the environmental disaster that are single use batteries. How's taking the batteries out, going to the charging station, swapping the batteries, returning and installing them back into the controller less convenient that just dropping the controller onto the recharging puck when it's not in use?

    So you have some special conditions where you can't recharge the controller between sessions?

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  • [+] -20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I, for one, still don't understand why to you want to swap batteries

    Because I don't want to be tethered to a cable.

    How's taking the batteries out, going to the charging station, swapping the batteries, returning and installing them back into the controller less convenient that just dropping the controller onto the recharging puck when it's not in use?

    Because then I have to be constantly concerned about the state of the battery at any time. I have enough rechargeable devices to be worried about.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    So you'd rather swap batteries than put the controller on a charger - which they showed to be crazy easy to do? You're still not making much sense.

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  • [+] -25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    LOL I don't know how to be more clear about this. Yes, I would absolutely rather spend 10 seconds popping the battery door off and swapping out the batteries than spend an hour tethered to a cable, and MUCH rather than spending 10 minutes walking around to find a screwdriver to do it....

    You're not making much sense. Why wouldn't I want that?

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The new Steam Controller's batteries are supposed to last dozens of hours per charge and comes with a charging puck. It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that you just charge it when you're not using it.

    And even if that'll wear down the battery faster, it's not enough that you'll go from 35hr of charge to 2hr in the span of a year. Hell, that'd probably take over a decade to happen.

    You're getting downvoted because you're being a complete idiot. Quit being defensive about it and just move on.

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that you just charge it when you're not using it.

    No, but it does require attention to charge levels and remember to plug it in, which is not something I want to spend my finite mental bandwidth on.

    You're getting downvoted because you're being a complete idiot.

    Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me an idiot. You downvoting and acting like a jackass when someone disagrees with you does, though.

    Quit being defensive about it and just move on.

    Brother, what do you think you're doing here? You cannot accuse me of "being defensive" while you're doing the exact same thing...

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  • [+] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Stop it with the ad-hominem attacks.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago

    You're the one getting downvoted to hell

    oh got it, so it's only cool to have a discussion when everyone agrees with you? That's nice.

    It doesn't take a genuis to realize that walking away and doing literally anything else is more productive.

    So why aren't you doing that?

    This is really telling of your overall mental capacity.

    It is, my mental capacity is reserved for more important shit.

    The obvious thing is to have a normal place that you set the controller down and just put the recharge puck there.

    As I've said previously, there's no power on my couch, and no way to get it there without creating a trip hazard.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago* (27 children)

    Except that you don't have to swap the batteries on a built-in rechargeable battery every few days. You plug it in when you aren't using it, and swap the batteries every few years when they stop holding a charge. I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

    Yeah, but the AAs will still be around in 10 years. Until we standardize internal power cells and legally mandate companies use them, I don't really care how user-serviceable it is, by the time it actually needs a swap most companies are done selling it anyways and just want you to buy the next thing instead. At best you can get a shady third-party knockoff. Valve is slightly better in this regard, but I don't expect them to still sell batteries 10-15 years from now.

    I think most people just use "user-serviceable" as a cope and never actually intend to service it, it just makes them feel better to think they can. They just throw it away and get a shiny new thing when it becomes slightly inconvenient.

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  • [+] -26 points 11 months ago* (21 children)

    You plug it in when you aren't using it

    And what happens when the controller dies? That requires:

    1. Having a cable nearby
    2. Being tethered to said cable for an hour.

    I don't have a charging station in my couch.

    I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

    I guarantee you it doesn't. Not to mention those screws would become stripped in a matter of weeks.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Man is gaming 24/7 and has zero downtime where he could plug in a controller. That's dedication right there /s

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  • [+] -19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We've already been over this. I don't want to be tethered to a cable.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like your use case is unique and does not match the use case of the vast majority of users. Maybe you should look for another controller that meets your very specific requirements more closely.

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  • [+] -14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I already have one, but thank you for the suggestion.

    OP and several others have expressed similar sentiments in this thread so I'm obviously not alone in the "vast minority".

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    What happens if your controller dies and you're out of AA batteries?

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I don't run out. They're rechargeable.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    And if you forget or don't have time to plug them in to recharge?

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    They're always charged because I put them on the charger when I rotate them.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    You're so close to getting it...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They're The controller is always charged because I put them it on the charger when I rotate them. am not using it.

    So the controller never dies unless you're playing for more than a day straight, and there's no fiddly swapping out of batteries. The only downside is that you might need to replace the battery in like 5 years time with heavy use, and it's only marginally more difficult than swapping out AAs.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So the controller never dies unless you're playing for more than a day straight

    Or...you didn't plug it in? I don't have to worry about plugging it in. Not every hour. Not every Day. Not every week or every year. There is never a time when the batteries are dead or I need to fiddle with a cable. Ever.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well it will be fine even if you only leave it charging a tiny fraction of the times you use it. And with AAs you have to remember to change them anyway or it will die while you're playing.

    And if you think the process of:

    opening the back cover, taking out the AAs (especially on the original steam controller), putting them in a charger, and putting new ones back in the controller

    is even close to as easy as just setting the controller down on a magnetic charger, I don't know what to tell you.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Since you're already managing charging things, what prevents you to put your controller to charge when you're done playing?

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't have to manage charging anything. If I neglect it, and it dies, I just swap charged batteries into it. That's the whole point.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    You do are managing your AA batteries: you have a dedicated charger for rechargeable AA batteries, and you put yours to charge when you swap them out. That's just your routine so you just don't consider that it's not bothering.

    You could just as well put your controller on it's charging stand/plug it when you're done playing. Or plugging it after your gaming session when it notifies you that it's starting to running low.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    You plug it in when you aren't using it

    I would never leave a device on charge permanently. That would use excess electricity.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Definitely not. All modern chargers are made to negotiate with the charging device for power and voltage, including sending none because the device is full.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    All modern chargers are made to negotiate with the charging device for power and voltage, including sending none because the device is full.

    Definitely not. Even if no device is plugged in to a charger, the circuitry in the charger still uses electricity. Even a basic transformer with no control processor will still use electricity because they, like all machines, are not 100% efficient.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'd rather have screws than those clip-in covers that break or having to pry the device open like some brands of devices, ie most of the tech industry. Somewhere in the middle. Quickly being able to replace a battery easily a plus don't get me wrong, but I don't want it getting torn up in the process one either extreme. I am ok with it may take several minutes, but not with "can I buff this out" or "where is the tape/glue".

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago

    I'd rather have screws than those clip-in covers that break

    How about clip in covers that don't break? I've been using my XBone controller for like 7 years, swapping batteries out every week or so, and it still works fine. Running in and out screws definitely will not be nearly as durable, especially if they're anything like the Steam Deck's screws.

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  • [+] 23 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, there are two reasons that you want to swap batteries.

    1. So that the device doesn't die. This is what OP is worried about. This probably takes years and years of use, though (unless you leave the thing discharged for a long time).

    2. So that you can use the controller wirelessly (say, in a living room, so people don't trip over a cord) and also charge its batteries. For most people, I'd think that this isn't a huge problem


    I mean, my controllers with lithium batteries last way longer than I would stay awake on a full charge, and next time I use them, they're charged. I normally run my controllers wired for better latency and not having to care about charge, but there are people who do have a legit need for wireless. However, I can think of some exotic cases where it would be necessary. Think of, say, a rec room on a ship or something with shifts of people who are constantly using the thing, where there's no time to recharge (though then, I think you could just get a second controller or something, swap out the one charging for the one in use). The XBox controller did the AA battery thing, and I have a Logitech F710 that does this. Makes a controller heavier than lithium batteries do, though, produces a shorter battery life relative to the weight, and places some constraints on the layout of the controller (since you need to have the volume to stick the batteries in.

    For #1, yeah, the idea of taking off a screw after 10 years or something being prohibitive is pretty absurd.

    But if someone is just wanting to do the "simultaneous charge and use" thing, #2, then the screw is an issue, because you'd need to do that every, say, two days or so.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    #2 is not an issue with a controller advertised to have 35h of battery life. Which you should charge when not in use. Unless the commenter I replied to games for 35h+ continuous hours, in which case none of what they said applies to any member of functioning society.

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  • [+] -15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Wow, that was super unnecessary...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's based on the bullshit you've been spewing about AA. And that last statement is just the cherry on top.

    You're not in this for longevity of device usage, you're in this for convenience. Gtfo.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're not in this for longevity of device usage, you're in this for convenience

    Expecting my devices to be convenient? Oh, the horror...

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I used my launch day PS4 controller up until last year without ever having to unlatch a cover or unscrew a screw. After more than a decade of use, I finally had to open the case and replace the USB port with a new board I bought for $2 by unscrewing and unplugging the old one and swapping it out with the new one.

    Why are you acting like having to replace the battery is this super inconvenient thing that you'll have to do frequently when the odds of having to do so more than once every 5-10 years is unlikely with proper care? I'd consider having to replace AA batteries more of a hassle than that. Especially if they go bad and leak all over the contacts or something. Crystalized battery acid is a pain in the ass to clean out.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why are you acting like having to replace the battery is this super inconvenient thing that you'll have to do frequently

    ...I don't know how to be more clear about this. I don't want to be tethered to a cable. The only other way to charge it is by removing it. I didn't come up with this ridiculous suggestion. My suggestion was using a battery door, like my current Steam Controller has.

    Especially if they go bad and leak all over the contacts or something. Crystalized battery acid is a pain in the ass to clean out.

    I don't use lead acid battery.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    People think this is a crazy complaint because the controller has an estimated battery life of something like 30 hours and a wireless charger included. So as long as you remember to put it on the dock when you put the controller down once every couple of days, you shouldn't have to worry about your battery's charge.

    I agree that being able to hot swap the battery would be nice, but this is closer to having to remember to charge your phone and being able to change the battery in a phone at all is a crazy concept in this day and age.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I own an 8BitDo SN30 Pro+ controller that has a neat feature: It comes with a rechargeable battery back that is user replaceable via a simple back cover, but regular AA batteries can also be used in the same slot instead.

    Kinda like an Xbox controller, except that the rechargeable battery was actually included instead of being a separate purchase, and no adapter is needed for either battery types.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Kinda like an Xbox controller, except that the rechargeable battery was actually included instead of being a separate purchase, and no adapter is needed for either battery types.

    I don’t recall the Xbox rechargeable battery pack requiring an adapter. It just pops in where the AAs would be.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Pardon me, I realize I was a bit vague in my statement. I think what I was referring to was specifically the Xbox 360 wireless controller.

    If I remember correctly, AA batteries didn't quite fit directly in the controller. Rather, they fit inside a small detachable casing designed specifically for their cylindrical shape, which was then clipped onto the underside of the controller. If you then purchased a rechargeable battery pack, it replaced that attachment entirely, clipping directly onto the controller in its place.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I had something similar to this for the original fat gameboy in the 90s, except instead of being a rechargeable battery, which weren’t really worth it then, it was a plug-in adapter, and it replaced the battery cover panel to do so.

    I genuinely don’t understand why that sort of thing doesn’t exist anymore, either as plug adapters or as rechargeable bricks (or both, why not), so you can fall back on standard AA or AAA if necessary. They’d be standardized parts so manufacturers would only get the original sale but.. so? Would it not also be just easier from a manufacturer standpoint?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    That is precisely how I feel, too!

    Side tangent... Back in the day, I believe I had a power cable for the Game Boy, but it must have gotten lost or damaged at some point because I could never find it again.

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago (20 children)

    Yeah. AA batteries suck though! I'd be happy if they used 14500 cells or something. but the form factor was probably the issue, the controller is a chonk in the middle already with the flat battery pack

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    People forget we had hot-swappable li-ion batteries decades ago in phones and DSLRs. They absolutely could’ve done that with no to minimal form-factor changes.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Hot-swappable battery meaning without turning off the device?! Lol I've never seen that 😉 I get what you're saying though, but from what I've seen the battery is replaceable! It's retained with a screw but that's not a deal breaker imo. Using a standardized form factor would have been even cooler, but I think that would've been very difficult for space reasons

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Some laptops used to have that. They would have two batteries, one internal one and one hot-swappable external one.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    18650 is awesome, a good balance of weight to capacity. They are the standard cells used in laptops, vapes, small powerbanks, power tool batteries, and so on. They can also go into a fairly standard charger for AA and AAA batteries and give a lovely nominal 3.7V.

    That said, pouches are better for inside a device like a controller. The weight of a battery is significantly influenced by the casing. A pouch is almost entirely capacity, a cell like an 18650 or AA is largely the metal of the casing. If you have the pouch inside the plastic of the device you can save that weight.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think laptop batteries are usually thinner than 18650s? All the ones I've seen are, anyway

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps more modern ones, but the ones in my last and current laptops are both 18650s. 6 cells, 9 cells, you stack in series to increase voltage, parallel to get more capacity, so a 3s2p would have ~14V which is more than the required 12V for internal components, no boost converters needed. That said, now they do a lot of pouch batteries which are actually multiple internal pouches run in series to get the same sort of voltage but made with the chassis fitting them perfectly, no wasted space.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Nowadays you can get AA-shaped lithium cells. Anyways I hope free battery is easy to replace after 2 years.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    According to reports it is. Not as easy as a hot-swapable one, but close. You just have to remove the back panel, pop it out and put the new one. No adhesive involved.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm alright with this as long as the controller is easy to repair, which Valve has been pretty good about with the Steam Deck.

    If swapping batteries is a fast 5-10 minute process I have to do every 5 or so years, and the batteries are widely available and reasonably priced, that's a win in my book.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I mean I get the reason, but at the same time Li-ion is just so much better compared to NiMH and especially Alkaline. As long as its easy to open up and replace I'm all for internal li-ion batteries.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah the issue is easily replaceable standardized sized battery, if li-ion started doing that, I'd be all in Li-ion band wagon for handheld consumer electronics, till that point I must agree with OP and i would keep demanding Aa batteries and use my niMH cells

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If it's not a standard battery design, then being able to replace it doesn't matter as much. It would mean the company can charge excessive fees because their 'custom' battery is the only one that's compatible with their product.

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