Based on the description on their site, the controller includes a built-in battery: "8.39 Wh Li-ion battery​, 35+ hours of gameplay... "

That was disappointing for me. Specially condidering the Steam Frame's controllers make use of AA batteries: "​One replaceable AA battery per controller, ​ 40hr battery life​"

AA Batteries might not be as convenient to use, but being able to replace them is a great advantage. All my Xbox360 controllers still work fine, but none of my PS3' Dualshock 3s.

The official docking station could be used to recharge (rechargables) AA batteries so the functionality could remain the same.

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[+] -56 points 11 months ago (55 children)
  • [–] 84 points 11 months ago (54 children)

    Because it means you can probably swap your battery with a single screw or two.

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  • [+] -58 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (53 children)

    I'm not doing that on a regular basis. I can swap the battery in my Xbox controller without any screws.

    E: Wow, I really love being downvoted for my opinion. Super cool shit, guys.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago (39 children)

    Not downvoting you, but you’re not being reasonable. Serviceable means actually serviceable. It might be “better” to use AA batteries but if they can’t, the next best thing would be that it can be serviced by the actual end consumer. And yeah if you’re planning on fixing your own things you may need to own a screwdriver.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    I, for one, still don't understand why you want to swap batteries. I'm assuming you're talking about rechargable AA batteries, and not the environmental disaster that are single use batteries. How's taking the batteries out, going to the charging station, swapping the batteries, returning and installing them back into the controller less convenient that just dropping the controller onto the recharging puck when it's not in use?

    So you have some special conditions where you can't recharge the controller between sessions?

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    So you'd rather swap batteries than put the controller on a charger - which they showed to be crazy easy to do? You're still not making much sense.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The new Steam Controller's batteries are supposed to last dozens of hours per charge and comes with a charging puck. It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that you just charge it when you're not using it.

    And even if that'll wear down the battery faster, it's not enough that you'll go from 35hr of charge to 2hr in the span of a year. Hell, that'd probably take over a decade to happen.

    You're getting downvoted because you're being a complete idiot. Quit being defensive about it and just move on.

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  • [+] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Stop it with the ad-hominem attacks.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago* (27 children)

    Except that you don't have to swap the batteries on a built-in rechargeable battery every few days. You plug it in when you aren't using it, and swap the batteries every few years when they stop holding a charge. I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Definitely not. All modern chargers are made to negotiate with the charging device for power and voltage, including sending none because the device is full.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    All modern chargers are made to negotiate with the charging device for power and voltage, including sending none because the device is full.

    Definitely not. Even if no device is plugged in to a charger, the circuitry in the charger still uses electricity. Even a basic transformer with no control processor will still use electricity because they, like all machines, are not 100% efficient.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

    Yeah, but the AAs will still be around in 10 years. Until we standardize internal power cells and legally mandate companies use them, I don't really care how user-serviceable it is, by the time it actually needs a swap most companies are done selling it anyways and just want you to buy the next thing instead. At best you can get a shady third-party knockoff. Valve is slightly better in this regard, but I don't expect them to still sell batteries 10-15 years from now.

    I think most people just use "user-serviceable" as a cope and never actually intend to service it, it just makes them feel better to think they can. They just throw it away and get a shiny new thing when it becomes slightly inconvenient.

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  • [+] -26 points 11 months ago* (21 children)

    You plug it in when you aren't using it

    And what happens when the controller dies? That requires:

    1. Having a cable nearby
    2. Being tethered to said cable for an hour.

    I don't have a charging station in my couch.

    I guarantee you the time spent swapping AAs every few days will far outweigh the time you spend using a screw driver to replace this battery at the frequency it requires.

    I guarantee you it doesn't. Not to mention those screws would become stripped in a matter of weeks.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Man is gaming 24/7 and has zero downtime where he could plug in a controller. That's dedication right there /s

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  • [+] -19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We've already been over this. I don't want to be tethered to a cable.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like your use case is unique and does not match the use case of the vast majority of users. Maybe you should look for another controller that meets your very specific requirements more closely.

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  • [+] -14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I already have one, but thank you for the suggestion.

    OP and several others have expressed similar sentiments in this thread so I'm obviously not alone in the "vast minority".

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    What happens if your controller dies and you're out of AA batteries?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    And if you forget or don't have time to plug them in to recharge?

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    You're so close to getting it...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    They're The controller is always charged because I put them it on the charger when I rotate them. am not using it.

    So the controller never dies unless you're playing for more than a day straight, and there's no fiddly swapping out of batteries. The only downside is that you might need to replace the battery in like 5 years time with heavy use, and it's only marginally more difficult than swapping out AAs.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So the controller never dies unless you're playing for more than a day straight

    Or...you didn't plug it in? I don't have to worry about plugging it in. Not every hour. Not every Day. Not every week or every year. There is never a time when the batteries are dead or I need to fiddle with a cable. Ever.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well it will be fine even if you only leave it charging a tiny fraction of the times you use it. And with AAs you have to remember to change them anyway or it will die while you're playing.

    And if you think the process of:

    opening the back cover, taking out the AAs (especially on the original steam controller), putting them in a charger, and putting new ones back in the controller

    is even close to as easy as just setting the controller down on a magnetic charger, I don't know what to tell you.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Since you're already managing charging things, what prevents you to put your controller to charge when you're done playing?

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't have to manage charging anything. If I neglect it, and it dies, I just swap charged batteries into it. That's the whole point.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    You do are managing your AA batteries: you have a dedicated charger for rechargeable AA batteries, and you put yours to charge when you swap them out. That's just your routine so you just don't consider that it's not bothering.

    You could just as well put your controller on it's charging stand/plug it when you're done playing. Or plugging it after your gaming session when it notifies you that it's starting to running low.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'd rather have screws than those clip-in covers that break or having to pry the device open like some brands of devices, ie most of the tech industry. Somewhere in the middle. Quickly being able to replace a battery easily a plus don't get me wrong, but I don't want it getting torn up in the process one either extreme. I am ok with it may take several minutes, but not with "can I buff this out" or "where is the tape/glue".

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago

    I'd rather have screws than those clip-in covers that break

    How about clip in covers that don't break? I've been using my XBone controller for like 7 years, swapping batteries out every week or so, and it still works fine. Running in and out screws definitely will not be nearly as durable, especially if they're anything like the Steam Deck's screws.

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  • [+] 23 points 11 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, there are two reasons that you want to swap batteries.

    1. So that the device doesn't die. This is what OP is worried about. This probably takes years and years of use, though (unless you leave the thing discharged for a long time).

    2. So that you can use the controller wirelessly (say, in a living room, so people don't trip over a cord) and also charge its batteries. For most people, I'd think that this isn't a huge problem


    I mean, my controllers with lithium batteries last way longer than I would stay awake on a full charge, and next time I use them, they're charged. I normally run my controllers wired for better latency and not having to care about charge, but there are people who do have a legit need for wireless. However, I can think of some exotic cases where it would be necessary. Think of, say, a rec room on a ship or something with shifts of people who are constantly using the thing, where there's no time to recharge (though then, I think you could just get a second controller or something, swap out the one charging for the one in use). The XBox controller did the AA battery thing, and I have a Logitech F710 that does this. Makes a controller heavier than lithium batteries do, though, produces a shorter battery life relative to the weight, and places some constraints on the layout of the controller (since you need to have the volume to stick the batteries in.

    For #1, yeah, the idea of taking off a screw after 10 years or something being prohibitive is pretty absurd.

    But if someone is just wanting to do the "simultaneous charge and use" thing, #2, then the screw is an issue, because you'd need to do that every, say, two days or so.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    #2 is not an issue with a controller advertised to have 35h of battery life. Which you should charge when not in use. Unless the commenter I replied to games for 35h+ continuous hours, in which case none of what they said applies to any member of functioning society.

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  • [+] -15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Wow, that was super unnecessary...

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's based on the bullshit you've been spewing about AA. And that last statement is just the cherry on top.

    You're not in this for longevity of device usage, you're in this for convenience. Gtfo.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're not in this for longevity of device usage, you're in this for convenience

    Expecting my devices to be convenient? Oh, the horror...

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I used my launch day PS4 controller up until last year without ever having to unlatch a cover or unscrew a screw. After more than a decade of use, I finally had to open the case and replace the USB port with a new board I bought for $2 by unscrewing and unplugging the old one and swapping it out with the new one.

    Why are you acting like having to replace the battery is this super inconvenient thing that you'll have to do frequently when the odds of having to do so more than once every 5-10 years is unlikely with proper care? I'd consider having to replace AA batteries more of a hassle than that. Especially if they go bad and leak all over the contacts or something. Crystalized battery acid is a pain in the ass to clean out.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why are you acting like having to replace the battery is this super inconvenient thing that you'll have to do frequently

    ...I don't know how to be more clear about this. I don't want to be tethered to a cable. The only other way to charge it is by removing it. I didn't come up with this ridiculous suggestion. My suggestion was using a battery door, like my current Steam Controller has.

    Especially if they go bad and leak all over the contacts or something. Crystalized battery acid is a pain in the ass to clean out.

    I don't use lead acid battery.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    People think this is a crazy complaint because the controller has an estimated battery life of something like 30 hours and a wireless charger included. So as long as you remember to put it on the dock when you put the controller down once every couple of days, you shouldn't have to worry about your battery's charge.

    I agree that being able to hot swap the battery would be nice, but this is closer to having to remember to charge your phone and being able to change the battery in a phone at all is a crazy concept in this day and age.

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