Kletetschka said his theory overcomes some of the problems with earlier three-dimensional time theories that are based on traditional physics.

Those earlier theories, for example, describe multiple time dimensions in which cause-and-effect relationships are potentially ambiguous. Kletetschka's theory ensures that causes still precede effects, even with multiple time dimensions, just in a more complex mathematical structure.

In three-dimensional time, the second and third dimensions are thought by some researchers, notably theoretical physicist Itzhak Bars of the University of Southern California, to become apparent, or unfold, at levels of extreme energy such as during the early universe or in high-energy particle interactions..

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His framework accurately reproduces the known masses of particles such as electrons, muons and quarks and also explains why these particles have these masses.

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[–] 10 points 1 year ago

Oh no, it's the time cube all over again!

/s. I can't pretend I understand any of it, but certainly sounds pretty cool.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'll need to reread this a few times to grasp it.

    If you could step onto that sideways path and remain in the same moment of "regular time," you might find that things could be slightly different—perhaps a different version of the same day. Moving along this perpendicular second path could let you explore different outcomes of that day without going backward or forward in time as we know it.

    The existence of those different outcomes is the second dimension of time. The means to transition from one outcome to another is the third dimension.

    This doesn't make sense to me. Time as we know it t1, time sideways t2, but why is the transition along t2 all of a sudden a third dimension? Wat?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I just went straight to the paper. The article appears to misrepresent the proposed dimensions of time by attempting to analogize with 3D space.

    What is actually proposes is a fundamental difference between classical physics and quantum physics and how the two are unified across an intersecting dimension, which gives rise to cause and effect. It does not appear to inherently support or oppose the many worlds interpretation, as the article implies.

    t1 - mass (quantum-scale time)
    t2 - cause/effect (interactions between t1 & t3)
    t3 - gravity (cosmological-scale time)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    All the 1985s in the Back to the Future trilogy are at the same point in time dimension 1 (1985, duh), but different points in time dimension 2.

    The Delorean takes a shortcut through time dimension 3 (think the typical wormhole analogy of poking a hole through a folded piece of paper) to get between the various 1985s and the various 1955s and 2015s, and 1855 (it's obviously not using time dimension 1, since it "vanishes" at one point and reappears at another, or 2, since that wouldn't allow it to get to a different year).

    (Of course this is utter nonsense because that's not how time travel works in Back to the Future, but it works as an analogy and it's less complicated than Avengers: Endgame).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    See, it didn’t need an Ai slop picture to grab attention and to devalue the professional credibility of whoever wrote this paper.

    Holding professionals and scientists to a higher standard is a must. So much slop is going to seep in once humans become complacent.

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I got excited that the paper makes concrete predictions for particle masses - the electron, muon, and tau, the quarks, and the neutrinos. For the moment, particle masses are free parameters in the Standard Model that you need to plug arbitrary experimentally-derived numbers into. A theory that can calculate them directly would be a great theory, even if it were as weird as having 3 time dimensions.

    Buuut... this paper doesn't actually explain how it calculates all its amazing predictions. It just starts with something like "what if Schrödinger equation, but instead of exp(it) we had exp(it1 + it2 + it3)!" And I agree: yes! Let's! What if! We should explore all possibilities, no matter how weird, if they lead to better understanding of the world. But then it immediately goes to say "let α and γ be some [unspecified] constants. Therefore the mass of the muon is 105.6583745 MeV". Like... how?

    I thought maybe this is a paper just to announce the theory, and all the laborious calculations are in the supplemental materials, but at the very bottom it specifically writes "Data Availability: The theoretical predictions and numerical calculations presented in this paper are fully described within the text." **Frodo mode:** Fine, keep you secrets!

    Until the author shows the actual theory and the calculations outputting all these amazing predictions, they are no more useful than that LinkedIn post that said "what if e = mc2 but e = mc2 + AI"

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How reliable is this website ? I see clickbaity headlines from it all the time around here and the Wikipedia page is mostly empty

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    To its credit, the article does include a pretty thorough disclaimer:

    Editor's note (6/24/2025): While Kletetschka's theory of three-dimensional time presents an intriguing new framework, its results have not yet been accepted by the broader scientific community. The theory is still in the early stages of scrutiny and has not been published in leading physics journals or independently verified through experiments or peer-reviewed replication. Publishing in Reports in Advances of Physical Sciences (World Scientific Publishing), while a legitimate step, is not sufficient for a theory making such bold claims. This journal is relatively low-impact and niche, and its peer review does not match the rigorous scrutiny applied by top-tier journals like Physical Review Letters or Nature Physics. For a paradigm-shifting idea to gain acceptance, it must withstand critical evaluation by the wider physics community, be published in highly regarded journals, and provide reproducible predictions that align with existing evidence—standards this work has not yet met.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I'm not seeing this editor's note (at least on mobile). Where is it ?

    Edit 2: never mind, found it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s at the very end of the (desktop) article, immediately following the paragraph

    "The path to unification might require fundamentally reconsidering the nature of physical reality itself," he said. "This theory demonstrates how viewing time as three-dimensional can naturally resolve multiple physics puzzles through a single coherent mathematical framework."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Found it thanks

    Why did they burry what's arguably the most important piece of information at the very end though ?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The “editor’s note” indicates that it’s not part of the original article—it would be misleading to insert it in the middle of the article if it wasn’t written by the attributed author.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He writes that his mathematical framework for three-dimensional time improves on others' proposals by making testable reproductions of known particle masses and other physical properties.

    Awesome. Test results or GTFO.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I believe from when I read it the other day they’ve got their calculations and they should be testable in a few years (new colliders or whatever else that are being built currently should be able to confirm their calculations)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's a theory claiming to validate some known values, so there will be no need for new colliders to test it. All it takes is a bunch of enslaved postgrads to go through it with a fine-toothed comb to check all the formulas.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know this is wrong, but when I think about time and dimensions, I think of the fourth dimension being like our physical first dimension, and the fifth like our second and the sixth like our third.

    So the moment now that you are in would be the sum of all of your first, second, and third dimensions currently in the fourth dimension, and then the fifth dimension would be the sum of everything you are from the moment you are born to the moment you die, all of your fourth dimension movements making like a wibbly wobbly, timey, wimey thing, and then the sixth dimension would be all the potential times of all of the lives and experiences that ever exist.

    Like I said, I know this is wrong, but this is what I enjoy thinking about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I like to think of it geometrically. Like 1st dimension is a line, 2nd dimension is a flat map, 3rd dimension is like a globe model of the earth, 4th dimension would be that globe changing. Probably also not totally accurate but I like it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I've been waiting to see if anyone picks up on this, one way or the other. Much like Wolfram's theories it's a really neat concept. Time will tell if it's able to actually be verifiable in our dimension.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I appreciate the Editors Note at the end. This sounds interesting enough to get some peer reviews, regardless where it got posted.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think it's tge other way around; time as secondary effect.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I can understand using a different system that could simplify some calculations and concepts in particular cases, but I dont understand how it's reducing 4D space-time to just 3D time.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The phys.org article has absolutely no information. At least it links the worldscientific article.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    low-quality crackpottery. the idea is not even new and they show zero calculation leading to the predictions they claim to make

    phys.org has fallen far

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This is a remarkably short paper for the big claims it makes. For me it has the feel of starting at the answer and then working backwards to find the original question. Which is a perfectly valid approach, as long as there is at least some constraint or indication that was indeed the original question asked.

    We've seen time and again in physics where people can create awesome mathematical frameworks that try to explain it all. Then every time the model disagrees with reality, the model or it's parameters are slightly tweaked so it's in line again. For me this isn't very useful, as we would like to use the model to make real predictions. Not just chase our tails.

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