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[–] 65 points 11 months ago (1 child)

I love how these fuckers talk about the ability to "work anywhere" as if it were some kind of freedom. To me, freedom is shutting my work computer down at 4pm, leaving it on my desk at work, and going home - whether it is for the night, the weekend, or my vacation. I work at work and nowhere else; the only thing freer than that is not working at all.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    Agentic, I fucking hate this word.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    It’s only meaning is to management, and is some kind of horseshit way of saying “less employees to pay”

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (24 children)

    Words for it already exist. Its whole purpose is marketing and AI fart huffing.

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  • [+] -16 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    So, you're just wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_agent

    An "agent" is specific a type of software that long predates LLMs and this go-round of AI hype.

    One example of an agent is a computer program that reads log data of another program and forwards the log data to a log management server. Another example of an agent is an LLM chatbot that can perform actions on its own.

    Not all agents are chatbots, and not all chatbots are agents.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

    I never said agent is a new word, but thanks for telling me I'm wrong.

    Assistive, aid, helpful are all words that could be used in place of the word agentic. It feels inauthentic and fluffy because it is.

    I've never heard of agentic before because it is novel word marketing bullshit. Like IoT before it and many others, words existed to explain the technology in plain language but industry gargon takes hold and isn't interrogated for being cold, non-inclusive and confusing.

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  • [+] -18 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    The fact that you've never heard of it before does not make it a novel word. Unless you define "novel" as a technical term that has been in use since the early 1970s... 🙄

    https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/en/publications/process-a-mathematical-model-of-computing-agents/

    ^ published 1975.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Process: A mathematical model of computing agents

    • Find in page ‘agentic’
    • 0 results found

    Bruh slow down on the “ahktually” and read what you’re putting out there lmao

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  • [+] -12 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Please, take your time. Re-read (well, actually read it for the first time I guess) and tell me where I said ‘agentic’ was a fake word.

    Your own citation did not have agentic in it. Agent <> agentic.

    And you’re clinging hard to singular notion that because a mouth-sound with the same letter order existed nearly 200 years ago, it means the same thing as the modern usage

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    No, I'm stating the plain, undeniable fact that this word has been used to describe a specific type of software program (which, for the record, has nothing to do with AI besides that sometimes AI programs are an example of it) for over 50 years, and is not a new term.

    I've already provided multiple examples of its use that predate LLMs. Your attempt at trolling is thwarted.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    “Hey, uhh your own chosen citation doesn’t support your argument” is trolling now? God I hope you don’t work in education or research 😂

    You defending ‘words mean things’ whilst re-re-redefining trolling to mean ‘any kind of feedback I don’t like’ is precious

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Sorry, but facts (which I've provided with sources) prove that I'm correct. The discussion ends there, as there is nothing else to say about it and nothing that you can refute. Agentic software has existed since the 70s.

    Blocked, go troll someone else now. Buh-bye!

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Technological speak isn't colloquial every day language. Other industries simply aren't taken to forcing industry terms into the general populace.

    Use of the word agentic in everyday language is novel and marketing intentful.

    Just because I say with peers that a leaf is cordate, sinistrose, and estipulate with a hirsute abaxial surface doesn't mean anyone in science journalism will use those terms. They use colloquial language like the leaf is heart-shaped, spirally arranged, without a stem, and with small hairs on the underside because these terms make broad sense to the public.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    It's novel but not wrong. Plenty of technical terms have inserted themselves into our language over time. I can think of bandwidth and logistics at the top of my head. Catalyst feels very technical as well. Logistics started as military jargon and is brought over from French.

    Just thought of Segway as well. Not sure if it started as technical jargon but it's definitely some weird bastardization.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No, it's not novel. It's use to describe a specific type of software program is over 50 years old...

    Also... umm... do you mean the word "segue"? 🤦

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Okay, everyone except you is talking specifically about the word agentic and not agent.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/slang/agentic

    It seems pretty clear that it came to prominence last year, so it's novel now for the majority of the population even though it used to be technical jargon, which is exactly my point.

    Im not sure if anybody was using specifically the word "agentic" 50 year ago for software, although it clearly was used in other context from the link. I'm guessing they were mostly saying software agent and the "ic" at the end is relatively new.

    I genuinely though segue was spelled like the brand name. I guess you learn something new everyday.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    So, let me make sure I understand your position, you're mad that people are correctly using a technical term that has existed for over 50 years and think they should use a different word because you personally did not know that word before? Okie dokie. 🤷

    Would you rather we just call every type of software an "app"?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    "So you're just wrong" says the guy who doesn't understand that "agent" and "agentic" are different words. One is a real word you can find in a dictionary with a long history of use. The other one is a neologism obviously referencing and created out of the other word, using a tortured conjugation process that only a marketer could love. We're talking about the latter word while you're busy defending the former word. They're not the same word.

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  • [+] -14 points 11 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The OP's thread you are entering into is talking about the word agenetic.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Agentic, I fucking hate this word.

    It joins 'the ask' and 'the spend' and 'action this' as words people use to sound trendy and smart. It's the surest sign someone went from Used Cars to I.T sales in their career, and should be heard with similar mistrust.

    If your peers use these - heck, if they use 'emails', pluralizing the mass noun - just laugh at them like you got their absurdist attempt to lampoon one of these people so they can learn how ridiculous they sound. Help your friends.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You really, unironically, say “I received 10 email today” and think it’s other people who sound stupid?

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Lol imagine judging others' competency from insignificant grammatical nitpicks that you're not even correct about... ironic!

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The person I am replying to has a consistent history of snobbish prescriptivism and disrespect for anyone who doesn’t follow what they think is the correct version of the rules of life.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I've seen this attitude before, especially with how things are pronounced, like saying "Ess Cue Ell" instead of "Sequel" means that you don't really know SQL. Or saying "Enn Jinx" instead of "Engine X" means you don't have real experience with Nginx. It's just nonsense.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Since you’re ignoring me, here’s some bait: what’s your specific citation for your prescriptivist rule that “email” is a singular and plural noun by divine definition?

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago

    Almost all actual users hate this. Unfortunately, it is corporate customers that buy the majority of Windows licenses, and those C-levels gobble up that shit like there was no tomorrow…

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago

    It’s beyond “nobody asked for this.” People are actively saying “this is bad, I want not this.”

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago

    Blue checkmarks fund Nazis. It’s these fuckheads pushing Ai slop onto us.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Some other tech website did an article recently about how to unfuck windows as much as possible. Like four pages of tricks, registry edits, third party tools.

    People in the comments were like "you know, Linux is free and is getting very user friendly."

    People were mad. People really want to stick to windows.

    No idea why. I'm running basic pop!_os and have no real complaints.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Switching to Linux requires a certain level of technical skill and patience that the majority of people don't have.

    It's the same as the build-your-own-PC people. That's their hobby, so they don't count the years of experience, research, and knowledge that they've built up.

    See also: recipe writers who don't include prep time in their time estimates.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Switching to Linux requires a certain level of technical skill and patience that the majority of people don’t have.

    It does. However, it was a technical news website so I assumed the audience had a higher than average technical affinity. This seems to have been a bad assumption

    That said, installing Linux is easier than people imagine. Most of the time you download the image and follow some short instructions.

    Admittedly, the minority of the time you might have to troubleshoot.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    There's also an argument that if you've the technical know-how to dink around the Windows registry and make all kinds of tweaks, you've the know-how to install Linux, or at least, the ability to figure out how to manage it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's just old people stuck to their old ways, kinda like gas car users. EVs are faster quicker and more powerful, less noisy and no combustion stink(especially when parking in ur home garage) as a bonus!

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I was given a macbook at programming work and honestly, the battery life sold me on it.

    And with that Steam Cube thing, I can't imagine anything Microsoft in my house.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Steam Cube thing

    I saw someone call it the Valve GabeCube and I can't unsee it now, lol

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    GabeCube is what I'm calling it forever, now. That's great.

    I don't think I'll get one (I have 2 Decks, a dock, and a gaming ex-Windows now CachyOS PC) but I'm excited for the controller. Couch play sucks without touchpads on so many games. Steam Input even makes games with massive numbers of keybinds work great; with nested radial menus, you can have hundreds of commands on 'em.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Some of the arm based windows laptops, and even the newer x86 windows laptops, get pretty good battery life these days too. In my personal life, I have both an arm based MacBook and windows laptop. Both get similar battery life. I do wish there was an easy way to get Linux running on the windows laptop though.

    At work it's usually all the corporate... bloat/security stuff that kills windows. I recently made the work switch to a MacBook and the difference is night and day.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Switching to Linux was so much less effort than I expected, and so much easier than trying to unfuck a new Windows install (which essentially requires pirating an enterprise version to have a chance), and then still have all of your data stolen despite best efforts. So, yeah, thanks Windows 11.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Ive been teetering on the edge of a fulI move to linux for some time but never could find the energy. I logged onto my windows PC last night, and something about the notification ping, the busted start menu and hearing the fans go wild even though I was doing nothing really pissed me off.

    Thought fuck it. Booted up balena etcher, and 30 mins late I was in dual boot Ubuntu. Spent the night getting used to rider and getting the game I'm working on running and I'm NEVER going back to windows.

    I tried linux mint a while back and had no end of issues but with Ubuntu it was seamless and painless. I am converted.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    (which essentially requires pirating an enterprise version to have a chance)

    So true! I owe some of my Linux journey to the discomfort from the downgrade from Windows Enterprise at work to the (kind of shit) Windows Home, at home.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    If you live in the GUI you really won’t notice much friction. If you work in power shell or command prompt regularly it’s going to be a lot of muscle memory to break but from the GUI? Anything outside of GNOME will feel like home for you.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    If you're stuck on windows, you should know, the new version of O&O ShutUp will help you delete copilot off your system.

    Cheers.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    IMO it's been Adobe really running the Mac vs Windows duopoly for over a decade at this point. If they made their software compatible with Linux people would have virtually no reason to continue using Windows.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Microsoft Office is also strong. It is still the standard in most contexts and they are just very good.

    And while the libre alternatives are all excellent there is tiny points of friction, especially when collaborating with MS Office users and they make non MS Office users not want to switch.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Most MS office application use can work through browser under linux now...

    For my purposes, the only time I've had to dust off Windows native Office has been dealing with some of the more "weird" features of presentations that people ask me to work on that aren't handled in the browser version, and my general feedback is that those features are a bad idea in general and should be avoided.

    I wager there's also some Excel things that might not work in the Web version, but I don't go that hard with Excel anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I agree there are weird inconsistencies between formulas in Excel, Libre office and Google Sheets. In Excel Concat and concatenate are the same while in google sheets Concat only works for two strings and concatenante is more than two. In Excel other sheet cells are references like Sheet2!A1 but in Libre Office it's Sheet2.A1 like why??

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    My understanding of the excel situation is management had one obnoxious engineer who said “why can’t it do X? Let’s make it do X!” And rather than plan out or coordinate the development of that function, they said “fuck Gavin is annoying. Let him run with this to shut him up.”

    Years later, Gavin is no longer on the excel team, no one understands how his code works. No one is going to touch it. So it’s now a weird little thing that tethers people to excel. Not some fancy new thing. No, just a function Gavin put in 12 years ago nobody wants to deal with, because Gavin’s code is as obnoxious as Gavin himself.

    This is my theory.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    No. All you have to do is say “we don’t accept files from product X. Please submit in one of the following formats/from the following products.”

    I’m serious. This works. It’s worked for me for DECADES. If you want to do business with me, you’re doing it on my terms.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Unless you are an employee, student, petitioner or in one of a hundred other situations where you have to follow rules set by someone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly until recently affinity was a huge threat to Adobe. We almost had a way out.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    i for one am very excited about this new "AI" pc idea. it will really help to streamline my job, where i spend 8 hours a day talking to Cortana™ and browsing LinkedIn™

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'll do you one better.

    When is Pavan Daviluri?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And yet the other 90% of people will still be stuck with it.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    These days I only ever log into windows to play one game. And I put that game as the windows wallpaper so it sits as a reminder as the only one thing windows is required for.

    If that game ever becomes Linux playable or I grow tired of it or it becomes obsolete I’m ridding myself of Microsoft for good. I will never even consider playing another game that will not play on Linux. Any game in my wish list that I found cannot be played on Linux is immediately tossed so I never have to touch windows again.

    Everything else: work, all other games, dealing with my life stuff, projects: all fedora. FOSS rules. The transition was easier than I thought it was going to be. No one drive or any of that $hit for me. And I also get to keep my old server. <3

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    Tom Clancy Usually r6

    Div2 also but all the other TC I have turned out to be Linux compliant.

    I heard destiny 2 is also not Linux compliant (I got bored of it though so it’s no longer in my list) all because bungie are fiercely against Linux.

    But these games are getting old and phasing out so …onto Linux!

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    reads just like the old web3 grifters

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    And pay for the privilege.

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