Clarification: I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about biological exposition.

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[–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That won't stop humanity. I've seen enough movies to know that a man-eating crazy alien monster infestation isn't enough to keep people off some rock they found.

And they'll bring that shit home too.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We are human, we have done almost this exact thing for thousands of years and leave ecosystem devastation in our wake.

    People with rockets would absolutely go down to that planet without a second thought.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago*

    intergalactic tour guide: now if you look to your left, you’ll see the natural habitats of the Xpheno217 species. This is the only location in the whole universe they can live. And to your right, a brand new residential community fit with Walmart and their very own Chick-fil-A.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Sometimes I think about how so many of us look up at the stars and wonder "if there really are aliens out there, why aren't they colonizing the galaxy as fast as possible, as any intelligent species would naturally do?" like it's the thing just anyone looking at the stars might think. we might be the horrifying biomechanical paperclip maximizer that the other aliens in the galaxy have to band together to defeat or face extermination.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    On the other hand, the two biologies could be so different from each other that they don't interact at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is an interesting idea. If neither biologies used the same fuel molecules then they wouldn't compete for resources, but perhaps they would compete for space? But then if both biologies were that different from each other would they be able to even live in the same environment?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    But how else am I supposed to get green *Orion trader women on my arm?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If the biology is different enough, things like viruses wouldn't easily cross between the planets. But bacteria could still probably exploit us (and them), and nothing would stop things with claws, teeth, and spikes from hurting us even if they couldn't ultimately digest us.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah, drat! My one weakness! Claws! Oh, and teeth. So two weaknesses.

    Oh, and spikes.

    Oh, and fire.

    Pointed rocks.

    Long falls off of cliffs.

    Ok, I have many weaknesses!

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  • There's an entire very large genre of scifi about this very topic

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Shouldn’t and couldn’t are too different questions.

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    we could never set a foot on it

    I'm not talking about sex

    It's ok Quentin.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reminds me of Deathworlders. Some woman got stuck on a planet and had to take a shit and the microorganisms in her shit wrecked the planet.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh no, a HFY story... They are kinda entertaining but filled with so much weird pathos and self-dirision. That "btw, religions suck" section was just so out of place.

    Imagine that: Getting abducted by aliens, fighting and winning against some of the most dangerous aliens of the whole universe and when being interviewed about it, one of the first things he chooses to say about humanity is "btw, we have religion and it sucks".

    And these stories go on for all eternity. 97 long chapters.

    That's what you get when people on the level of fanfiction writers write original stories without any oversight by an editor.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    What does that life taste like? Someone will figure out how to prepare a dish that is truly out of this world.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    There's only one way to be sure: nuke it from orbit.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Sexy results?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Well we can't have infinite growth without infinite exploitation ConstantPain. Duh

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    We won’t even be able to reach it until we can figure out FTL travel or technology that can support multi-generational passenger ships to get there.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    FTL travel implies a mastery over spacetime itself. After that, a practical time machine is a matter of engineering details.

    We can be sure that we never get there because we are not flooded with tourists from the future. QED.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    They're talking about sex 😉

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Sure we can. Just send a few people to test the waters first.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    And risk wiping the life on that planet? Considering something like that happened to native population in America, I guess people don't care.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yo what world you been living on? Course people don't care.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The dude commented on my comment with "No", then deleted it.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Why would your first act on alien life be to launch our vilest weapons of mass destruction?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Have some respect for the mine. If you want to mine in a tunnel, do you first fill it with shit?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My brother, we have spacesuits and decontamination protocols.

    Also, by the time we get to meeting other life forms on other planets we'll have cracked genetic engineering enough to make that inconsequential.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm a microbiologist. I can speak from experience (my grad research required attempting this a few times) that entirely sterilizing anything of microbes is incredibly difficult regardless of technology level. They are tenacious little fuckers. I'll lay this out for anyone interested.

    Gotta Kill 'Em All: Most microbes are fairly easy to kill using simple physical and/or chemical means. Some are more difficult, like spore formers, bacteria that produce little personal suspension pods when conditions are rough.

    What matters is you start with huge quantities of microbes, they're everywhere, and you can't see them. All you need is one to survive to potentially reproduce into vast legions of descendants. Even NASA's protocol is about lowering the total number, thereby reducing, not eliminating, the probability of causing an issue. Miss the wrong microbe in the wrong environment and you've inoculated a planet.

    Checking Your Work: How do you verify that you successfully sterilized your tool? You might say culturing - swab it and grow that on some type(s) of media. That's NASA's protocol! It's just not very effective.

    Not all microbes grow on all media. There are an estimated one trillion microbial species on the planet and we only know how to culture less than about 0.5% of them. The rest are a mystery, largely uncharacterized*. Most sterility testing is for known microbes of consequence, not every microbe in existence.

    Microbiology is very often a science of slapping your tool or workspace and exclaiming "good enough!", not absolute precision and 100% efficacy, both of which are practically required if you want to be sure you don't inadvertently pull a "smallpox blankets from space".

    *Fun fact: Sometimes people get sick with something atypical, that doesn't get IDed through standard testing. I worked for a time identifying these pathogens via gene sequencing. There was a whole lot of "that's a new one" out there.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My brother, we have spacesuits and decontamination protocols.

    What about the aliens we meet? As far as I am aware, we don't decontaminate when leaving the ship (or decontaminate the ship itself) so while they might not mess with us, we would absolutely be messing with them.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's why this is done: https://www.nasa.gov/ames/space-biosciences/planetary-protection/

    I realize you were probably talking about visiting other worlds in person, but we would probably still have unmanned missions there first.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    NASA is funny. They are always searching for signs of life, past or present, on planets in our system when they can send a lander of some sort. But, if there is a spot where there actually might be a chance of life existing, they avoid it because of the minuscule chance of some bacteria on any rover contaminating the area.

    We’ll look for signs of life where it’s hard to find and avoid the areas where there might be a better chance of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Read the book Children of Ruin

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Isn't it also possible that their biology would be different enough that there would be basically no interaction ? 🤷🏻‍♀

    I don't think we have any micro-organisms that would be particularly dangerous to silicon-based life, for example, if we did I'd expect it would be a problem already for our computers and everything made of glass ?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    No we will, the bigger question is if one of the parties will have sex or dinner.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We currently couldn't detect life on earth from nearest star and it is unlikely we ever can build anything good enough to. Which means if we discover life we know they are plenty advanced as to make our efforts uneeded as they can tell us a better protocol. Not that we have the ftl needed to reach them anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Life is already unpredictable. We can take some safety measures, but we cant pretend that not doing this particular thing is going to keep our history under control. We dont have anything under control.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    No no, you are talking about sex, hehe

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Don't tease me with a good time

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    *Another planet.

    We have already found one, and it's the one our feet are on.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not really much of a shower thought. Pretty sure Clark or Niven wrote entire books on this concept (I forget, just know I read these books 40 years ago, and they weren't new then).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Just wear protection

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It would go exactly like in many (bad) movies, Yolo! (seriously.)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    What are you saying? Are you saying it isn't like in Star Trek where they can beam people down to untraveled planets and somehow still have a breathable atmosphere suitable for humans? Say it isn't so!

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