You're missing the point because they didn't use precise language

Congress establishes what coins and bills are to be minted. The executive branch executes that directive. Congress has directed the executive branch to mint pennies. The executive branch determined 0 is a number of pennies to mint. The Mint is not minting pennies, despite congress directing them to do so

If the president is allowed to interpret laws congress passes so broadly, it gives an incredible amount of power to the executive branch. Historically, the president hasn't been given nearly that level of authority

It's illegal because congress said to mint pennies, but the executive branch is not minting pennies

How long it lasts as a usable token of trade

So it's still worthless. Genuinely, what can a penny purchase? A nickel? A dime? None of these coins can buy something individually, and a large chunk of the population doesn't carry them because the utility they gain for having exact change is less than the coins are worth

To be clear, I understand the coins vs. bills argument, but I'm personally in favor of cutting all coins up to the quarter. Or cutting all coins except dimes and half dollars, but dimes are annoying coins

It just don't make no cents.

Yeah, but like, is it a valuable token of trade? It's 1c, yes that's money, its a whole percent of a dollar, but it's illegal in most of the country to pay someone less than 12.5 of them per minute of labor, an unlivably low wage. The $15/hr wage is increasingly normal for low skilled labor and is a quarter a minute. A quarter is great as you don't need to fill your pocket with it to buy something from a vending machine. Ok that's not the most honest comparison as vending machines haven't taken pennies in at least a decade. It's a denomination sufficiently small to cause a lot of people to just not bother with them, they just aren't worth the time to use them or keep track of them.

Yes and it needs to be done legally. Granted though it needs to be at least 5x as long as other currency. Its not that I don't think the penny should be taken out as much as it should be done appropriately.

At this point most people just throw pennies away. At best they're being saved in a change jar to be brought to the bank. Almost no one is using pennies for payment of goods and services. It's a useless waste of money to produce and congress should have gotten rid of them decades ago

The only issue here is that it isn't congress getting rid of it. It's the president taking power from congress to get rid of it

Pennies are produced and put into circulation, but people are not saving them and exchanging them for dollars, and they don't spend them again. They are constantly being produced and lost. Maybe in the 1960s people felt the need to gather their pennies for reuse but not today.

Sunset at 5pm sucks, it feels unnatural, let it be dark early in the morning idgaf I want the sun to be out when I get off work

Fuck at this point does it even matter? The time change is bullshit on a baseline so long as it's done on the state level it shouldnt be too bad since eventually one of them will probably win out.

I say we compromise and just shift to the half hour in between then. What a stupid disagreement

They tried permanent DST in the '70s for a few years. People hated it so much we went back to switching the clocks.

Let's look at NY city.

June 21th longest day, sunrise is at 5:24 am (Set 8:31 pm)

December 21th longest night, sunrise is at 6:42 am (Set 4:32 pm)

If you got rid of daylight savings time then the sun would rise at 4:24 am in June and set at 7:31 pm.

(Most people in NY probably want the extra hour of light at 7:31 pm instead of 4:24 am)

If you kept permanent daylight savings then the sun would rise at 7:42 am in December and set at 5:32 pm)

(Most people in NY probably want some light before 8 because it's going to be dark after dinner anyways)

So many people are awake before 8 am compared to 5 am

So many people enjoy the light at 7:30 pm in the summer

Switching really is the sweet spot for NY

Location is definitely important too in hating or liking DST

Ontonagon, Mi sun sets at 5:25 pm tonight (7:58 am rise)

Dexter, Me sun sets at 4:10 pm tonight (6:33 am rise)

Same time zone, both northern cities.

If we didn't get off DST Ontonagon wouldn't see the sunrise until almost 9 am today

People in Dexter might have preferred to stay on DST getting light between 7:33 am to 5:10 pm today

The farther west you live in a time zone the less you like DST generally. Farther east, the more you like it.

Ontonagon is so west it should really be in Central Time zone.

If that was the case then the sun would set at 4:25 pm tonight (6:58 am rise) (basically Dexter ME times)

At that point they might want to stay on DST and it would make it exactly what it was today, sunset at 5:25 pm tonight (7:58 am rise)

I just think humans don’t work well with such a sudden change even just 1 hr. Maybe there’s a way we could add/remove a minute every day over two months or something lol

Fall back every year! Yes! No spring forward!

I like it initially, but after a couple weeks I want to die. Walking out of the office into cold darkness at 4-4:30pm is soul crushing.

I knew i was forgetting someone who asked Obama about the penny, couldn't remember who

When we got rid of the half penny it was worth more than what dimes are worth now. Quarters are the only useful coin. We should be rounding all transactions to the nearest quarter.

Should just have dimes.

$1.1 $1.2 $1.3

There's no reason to break our currency into thousandths. Hardly a reason to break it into hundredths.

Could keep quarters to keep hundredths

Transactions already need a nickel to do 5 cents. So requiring a quarter to do 5 cents isn't crazy.

Say you have to pay $1.05

Dollar and 3 dimes, quarter in change.

$1.15

Dollar and a quarter, dime in change.

But I think just dimes are needed

I feel like we should be normalizing $1, $2, and $5 coins at this point. I know $1 coins exist, but nobody uses them. If I drop a $1 coin in a tip jar, people say sarcastically "thanks, that 25 cents will go a long way" because they think it's a quarter.

Zimbabwe has entered the chat

They still have the 1¥, they can speak up when they don't have a coin for 0.65c. Like they do a lot right with money, I love how large of denominations are coins, going up to the equivalent of 3.25USD, but still the 1¥ coin…

Does their economy reflect value for lower denominations? Here in the west, a penny is practically useless. Costs are through the roof. If it still has a value, it is worth keeping around.

Found the numismatist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper

See, you learned something.

That won't be just you paying hundreds of cents extra.. but tens of thousands - possibly millions and then it adds up!