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[–] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

EMAIL PROVIDERS:

  1. Posteo - Their choice of domain
  2. Mailbox - Custom domain, free trial
  3. Runbox - Custom domain, free trial

DEFINITELY FREE TIERS:

  1. Tuta - Focused on security and resisting influence, but incoming mail can only be accessed by the Tuta client (because of their e2ee)
  2. GMX - Apparently has ads
  3. Zoho - Business focused
  4. Proton - Feels walled garden-esque, has one email for free, may cooperate with governments
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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Proton Mail, Tuta mail, runbox.com, to name three.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Have a look at Proton and Tuta (used to be Tutanova)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Proton allows only one free email address, which is what taught me to be wary of unexpected restrictions on services. I've got to say the only one I trust fully is my own, with complete certainty of security and features are all only limited by the hardware. Whenever someone talks about paying per month to get more addresses, aliases, calendar or storage - nah. Self-host. DuckDuckGo email is a good firewall layer as well - it forwards all mail to your chosen actual address after trying its best to strip the mail of trackers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You can create as many free email accounts with ProtonMail as you like.

    Proton now is a non-profit but their employees still need salary. Throw them a couple bucks if you like their service.

    Do that with anyone whose services you enjoy. That's how you help them survive.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've been using fastmail.com for a long time and am satisfied, though it's on the expensive side and I haven't looked into every alternative.

    If you want cheap email hosting for your own domain, mxroute.com has been around for a while and cranemail.com is new, but both are small companies run by people who know what they are doing (online acquaintances of mine if that matters).

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I wonder if any comparable services don't re-use the address when it's on the service's domain, maybe after a grace period. I use fastmail mostly for my own domains though I do have some addresses on theirs. Certainly if you let a domain expire, the registrar will sell it to someone else. Seems similar.

    Someone once offered me a nice chunk of cash for one of my domains. I might have accepted it if they didn't want the domain handed over immediately. It's a domain I receive some email through, so would have wanted a shutdown period to prevent at least some of the email for ending up with the domain's new owner.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I've started using Disroot recently and I'm satisfied so far.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Purelymail. Really good and cheap it all you need is email. No extra cost to bring your own domain.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Not a recomendation... i just like to recall that it seems pointless to me to use a private/secure mail provider just to end up communicating with gmail users. There are other private/secure means of communication over the internet, just not so much through emails.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I've been using Tuta for almost two years now and I can't recommend it enough. It's really good. Check out tutanota@lemmy.world or https://tuta.com/

    It's hosted in Germany and is very privacy-focused

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Were some people concerned with Germany hosting and the way the right leaning party (Germany for Germans?) was gaining popularity? And something about their data views. Although maybe I was wrong.

    From whwat I see though mailbox and posteo are the same.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I'm far from a privacy expert, but here are some things that I have been considering while researching this for myself:

    • Zero-knowledge encryption providers like Proton and Tuta are great for privacy at the expense of convenience, like possibly not being able to use common IMAP email clients. Proton has a bridge app for their paid plans that allows this on Windows and Mac but not Linux or mobile, and last time I checked, Tuta doesn't have this on any platform. This means that your email can only be accessed from their client, and more importantly, if a bridge app is not available for your provider on your preferred platform, all your email will be stuck in your mailbox forever with no ability to archive locally.
    • What are the privacy, security, and law enforcement/intelligence cooperation policies of the provider and country where the provider's legal entity and IT infrastructure are located? If located in a country with bad policies, spying on your email is much easier, especially if it's not a zero-knowledge encryption provider.
    • While using the provider's own domain for your address is better than using a custom domain, most providers appear to have a policy of making your address available to others after you leave them. Mailbox, Posteo, and Fastmail do this. One of the only providers I've found that has a policy of not doing this is Runbox.
    • Does the provider have a good reputation for email deliverability? This is a tricky one that requires some research. First, look at the provider's DMARC policies with a tool like DMARC Check Tool. Mailbox and Runbox appear to pass all tests, but Posteo and Fastmail fail the DMARC quarantine/reject policy test, which apparently makes it easier to spoof your email and could make your emails less likely to be delivered. Also search the web for comments on users' experience with email delivery, like " email delivery issues", to find out what people have said.
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I can't attest to privacy, but I have used Zoho for years with my domains.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    'Safe' is a bit too vague: what are you looking for?

    • If you just need an email that doesn't belong to GAFAM and is not subjected to US privacy-less laws but need no extra security (no end to end encryption): Infomaniak KSuite(Swiss) is available both as a free plan (20GB email + 15GB Cloud free) and as a paid version (unlimited email storage and 1To Cloud). They also offer just the email, if you don't need cloud: Kmail ;) . There is also mailbox.org (Germany)
    • End to end encryption: Tuta (German), Proton (Swiss).

    Edit: moved mailbox out of the E2EE section.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The paid version will delete your email address if you don't keep up with payments.

    I emailed them a little over a year ago about this because the terms of service were unclear. I was told by support that my main address wouldn't be deleted, but I would be moved down to the free tier in every way -- so I would lose my extra addresses and aliases, as well as extra storage space. I was also told that there was a 30-day grace period in case my renewal payment didn't go through for some reason.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Proton mail.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    i've been using purelymail.com since the google domains price hikes. They're cheap and I never had a problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Nobody mentioning fastmail...sad times

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  • I’ve been usingPrivate Email for the last few years. Run by NameCheap, I think. Got the account same time as my domain. No complaints so far. Haven’t heard anything troubling about them either.

    It has a web ui if that’s your thing, but I’ve never used it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    proton.me is not bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I use Disroot. Idk if sign-ups are always open though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    using disroot for a few years now, they're very reliable.

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  • Proton mail

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Find a local mail-hotel, buy your own domain, and set it up...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Don’t Proton just get caught revealing a French activist’s IP address to authorities? Might stay away from that one for now.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This happened years ago afaik, but lemmy keeps sharing it around for some reason.

    For context, proton encrypts the traffic, not the IP Address. While I dont remember how long IP Addresses stay in their logs, you can easily avoid exposing your true IP address by using a VPN, which is clearly not what that acitvist had done.

    Proton is still compelled to follow government laws in order to operate, and will hand over what info they have when compelled to. If that info is something their service can encrypt, such as emails, cloud storage, passwords, and so on, then it will look like jumped data when handed over. You IP address can't reasonably be encrypted, and neither can your primary email that is associated with you proton account. If your primary email has revealing info, then thats on you for not obfuscating it more. If you arent using a VPN to access services, then your IP address will be indicative of where your traffic might be coming from. The end user does need to take extra steps to make sure their traffic is secure, and proton does talk about this in their documentation.

    Proton is one of very few companies Ive seen pass third party security audits. They may not be perfect, but they are secure, and I've yet to see that truly disproven.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Proton claimed there was no way to appeal, but Swiss law is not bound by Interpol. I think what it really amounts to is they are not going to protect their users. This is why you don't pay for let alone use a corporation's services unless you willing to give up your privacy.

    Proton is not your friend, they have and will continue to betray their users. Do not trust them or any corporation that is not willing to fight for their users.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Operating in other countries means you do need to follow their laws in order to operate in them. Being a swiss company doesnt make them exempt from the laws of other countries, and not complying risks them losing business in other countries. Their products do work, but the user needs to use them correctly to not put themselves in a position where they can be traced. The activist clearly wasnt using a vpn when accessing their email.

    I do agree, dont trust proton, never trust any corporation, but i also know enough about how their tech works and how to manage my own online privacy that I know they arent just blowing smoke. I would much rather have proton comply with the law and continue to be accessible for most of the world, than have them fight for a single user who could have done more to protect themselves and potentially lose the ability to run their services for other countries. Most people arent self hosting, so they cant run their own secure services. Proton is a much better option than the fascist bowing corpos who run most of the tech world. Until self hosting becomes accessible for regular people, I will continue to recommend proton as the easiest option to have secure services with.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Corporations can and do fight for their users. Proton is not one of these companies. I think that says all we need to know about their commitments to their users. You are welcome to continue leading people to a business that have shown that they are not willing to do what is right because profit is their primary motivation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Any webservice, like mail, cloud services and social platform, as even eg, Lemmy and other online platform, is forced to reveal the user data they have, if there is an court order a cause of an criminal investigation. Proton can't in this case evade the info they have, it is the IP and the account data, content of the mail is encrypted, so they can give only encrypted data in this case.

    This has nothing to do with privacy rights, this protect the privacy only from access of private data without an court order in the EU. In the same case as with this activist, also Tuta, Murena and any other private mail service would have done exactly the same thing as Proton.

    If you are searched by law, never is a good idea to create an account anywhere. Drug barons use pen and paper for communication because of this.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mind you that Switzerland is not in the EU.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, it's not in the Eurozone, but it's strict with the EU Privacy laws, in Europe it's only the Vatican out of the EU, only in the Eurozone for practical reasons.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Late to the thread but I use startmail

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