For all their "christianity", republicans in the US are pretty hypocritical.

Jesus actually teached that everybody deserves to get fed and housed. That everybody deserves healthcare. That people should care for other people in their community. That is essentially the core principles of socialism.

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

There are evangelical thought leaders that preach the opposite. They say liberals are wrong about all of that.

And people believe up is down.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    More than that, giving food and drink to the hungry and thirsty, welcoming strangers, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, and giving comfort to the imprisoned, is literally the same as doing those things for Jesus Christ, himself, from his perspective. And, moreover, those who do those things will earn their place in heaven, and those who fail to do those things will be eternally damned to hell. It's not subtextual. It's not ambiguous and up for interpretation. It says very clearly that Jesus separated those who are going to heaven and hell to either side and the distinction between the groups was how they treated "the least" of his brothers and sisters. Matthew 25:31-46.

    So, bad news Christian Republicans. Might want to correct yourself now before it's too late.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    They aren't. In fact, many of the MAGA Republicans have been pushing their pastors to stop being so "woke" and to teach "real" Christian values, i.e. oppressing people.

    The sad thing is that these pastors are giving up their values and acquiescing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    All of that is charity from latin caritas and it's independent to political/government systems.

    Also you can be charitable and NOT go into Haven because you don't believe in Jesus. Actions are as important as faith.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    And Jesus did reach down to the leper, but the leper was not cured, because his monthly deductables did not cover it.

    "Get a job, hippy", proclaimed Peter.

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    Ironically, western culture today suffers from one of the same falsehoods that Jesus himself preached against: the idea that poverty is a moral failing. They believe that the rich are wealthy because they've "earned it" in some way, and therefore must be morally superior for their work ethic. Conveniently, this also allows the wealthy to keep a clean conscience--if everyone was as "good" as they are, they could all be enjoying this life too.

    So with this mindset, all "good" people who are poor are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires--they identify with the rich, who actively abuse and suppress them, because they believe themselves to be part of the same "moral party."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Prosperity Gospel folks go a step further and equate wealth and health with the will of god. That being well-off is the direct result of being in god's good graces. It side-steps observations of financial inequality in the face of moral equality, by hand-waving exceptional wealth as deserved by truly rare and exceptional people. And that conveniently plays off of confusing causation for correlation, so we arrive at "money = godly."

    For the record: I hate that this has a name and it's a real thing.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    yhea, because making a society liveable and comfortable for everyone would also include "them", you don't want them to be ok.

    so better suffer under a system that lets you make "their" world even worse

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The early church was actually kinda communist, having all things in common.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    From a theological point of view, Jesus was indeed a socialist. However, he wasn't a socialist in a Marxist sense, he was a different kind of socialist. Christian socialism actually has a very interesting history that goes back quite back in time.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Exactly. There is a rich tradition of Christian socialism and Christian communism. Even the communist group that Marx and Engels joined up with practiced christian communism and utopian socialism before moving away to a more secular and materialist version. The Communist Manifesto marks this turning point well.

    Of course, M&E argue that Christianity is a tool used to blunt the edge of revolutionary socialism and keep it back in line where it can't do any harm. Like the other forms of socialism (including that dreaded one) that are explicitly designed to recuperate the more radical ideas to a place where they can be more comfortably controlled by the ruling class.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Matthew 25:35-40

    35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    https://youtube.com/shorts/WUGQUx9k7Cg

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Ephesians 6:5-9

    5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

    9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

    Yeah good stuff. All about equality and egalitarianism.

    You can't claim to be socialist while condoning literal slavery. Sorry.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    From my purely anecdotal experience, the people who actually want to follow Jesus's teachings don't go to church. Says a lot.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    go to church

    And how many have read at least one testament? Reading is not rare anymore

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Didn't go into so much detail with most people of faith I've met, but I know for a fact mum read both the Old and New Testaments and decided she didn't* (still getting used to it...) want to have anything to do with the Church's interpretations, because they focused on essentially anything other than empathy and being human.

    On the other hand, grandma wasn't that big on the Bible, but went to church weekly (for as long as she could). She was also domineering, aggressive, two-faced, and manipulative. Also loved to visit the village witch (no, I'm not joking), which was... kinda' contradictory if one asks me, but nobody did, so that's that...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Why contradictory? Jesus was a magician, even a necromancer. Turned water into fine wine, etc (I take these things as highly metaphorical, but stress emotions do horrible health damage. Love heals a lot of inner wounds, so maybe some conditions are motivated mitigated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Eh, Christian Orthodox traditions frown upon any sort of black magic and such, as Jesus's divinity is held as THE factor for his performing miracles. Anything which isn't Jesus-related is considered to stem from Lucifer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Orthodoxy aims to keep individuals schismed, Jesus aimed to unite them. House divided.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Pretty much! I remember attending Sunday services several times at the behest of my grandmother, and half the time they consisted of mean gossip and fear-mongering.

    Edit: of course, I'm not saying all Orthodox priests follow this script, but the Orthodox dogma in general seems to be VERY conducive to it...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's not just the Orthodox. It pretty much is the whole Church, which is now and was then very political. Schismed people are malleable and controllable, and expedient for rulers. That is why I read the Ethiopian Bible, complete with mistranslations, then go do weeks or months of tedious research to find the actual translations, and what that meant in the ancient Judaism and its parent religions. It's also why I feel free to discard anything after Jesus ' teachings.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You'd be surprised. I read the Bible cover to cover in high school (one of the reasons I no longer have faith), and it amazed me how many people in my life that were also Christian that were entirely unfamiliar with entire books or lessons....

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Similar story here except for the longest time I didn’t realize that my fellow church goers didn’t know what the Bible said, and thus couldn’t distinguish between biblical lessons and purely made-up ones

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    That's my point, I wouldn't be surprised, unfortunately

    To be fair, I couldn't get through it either. But I'd guess if one decides to take something as their guidance, it would be a good idea to read it at least once

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The early Church is recorded as living that way:

    "44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 ¶And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, " ( Acts 2:44-46 KJV).

    However, tearing a political philosophy away from its associated worldview leads to trouble.

    This is one of the things I find strange about the political parties in the U.S. the Republican party, which seems to claim the majority of members who claim to be Christians, largely espouse a capitalist economic system. Capitalism is much more congruent with a Darwinist world view than a Christian one.

    Meanwhile, the Democrat party, at least the more progressive wing, espouse more of a socialist system but seemingly oppose Christianity and claim a world view more congruent with a capitalist system.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    seemingly oppose Christianity

    Christianity doesn't even believe in Christianity. Behind the scenes in Churches, it's bitter old people, angry at each other, shaking down patrons for cash, and selling peace to grieving people. Most Democrats want universal healthcare. They want, but are afraid of UBI, and would like it if they could keep their current advantage in the playing field, not becoming poorer while spreading change.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah that’s interesting. Though I do think the Bible is big enough and vague enough for either tribe to exploit. I’m convinced the Left could have sided with Jesus’s ways of life and been the Christian nation, while the right rejected it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No no no. I see where you went wrong, you were thinking about Jesus from the bible, people dont really believe in him anymore. The Jesus followed today is Supply-Side Jesus, I know it gets confusing since they are both named Jesus.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You are absolutely right. It isn't complicated. A fundamental principle from the teachings of Jesus is that everyone should share their "wealth" (i.e. food, housing, medical care, etc.) with those in need. No one should ever be hungry, homeless, or sick without treatment. It follows naturally from the idea of loving everyone, without exception.

    I'm not going to argue the questions about whether Jesus was divine or even existed. I am simply talking about the philosophy that is presented as his by the Gospels. That is the core of Christianity, but it is ignored by a majority of those who call themselves Christians. The fact that it is difficult and calls for personal sacrifices is not an excuse. He never said that it would be easy.

    I accept that Christian principles can be viewed as aspirational goals and not an absolute code of conduct, but that is not what we see in the would-be Christians. They have no interest in working toward those goals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Roman historians wrote about Jesus (Tacitus), also the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. We can argue about his divinity (I am a believer) but I don't think we can argue about his existence.

    There were others but they are further in time so they may be quoting those two.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I also think the evidence that Jesus existed is compelling, but my point is that it doesn't matter when you're talking about the philosophy that is credited to him. Reading the Gospels makes it quite clear that a disturbingly large part of modern Christianity is in opposition to everything he stood for.

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  • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (40 children)

    Religion isn’t about actually helping people. It’s used to control the masses with shame, guilt and the threat of eternal damnation. It’s used to abuse and fleece the weak and the poor.

    People holding onto “that’s not what Jesus would do” are just in denial about the cult they participate in.

    Jesus is just a tool used to dupe rubes. If you need a fictional character to tell you to act like a decent human being then you’re not a good person.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Religion isn’t about actually helping people. It’s used to control the masses with shame, guilt and the threat of eternal damnation. It’s used to abuse and fleece the weak and the poor.

    There are a lot of different religions and beliefs in the world, right? Christianity and similar religions are not the only ones that exist, and many religions originated from ancient human primitive tribes.

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    Yes and we don’t practice many of those anymore because we know we don’t have to sacrifice people to make sure the sun rises. These primitive ceremonies and practices go away with education and science.

    What’s left are grifters, pedos and people abusing those that are desperate and superstitious.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    In your mind there are only monotheistic religions practiced in modern times, and the only other religions practiced in the world involved human sacrifice and those practices are no longer present in modern times?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    You can’t call every christian a rube and then make such a simplistic accusation about organized religion. Yes there are (major) flaws with organized religion, but surely you realize your statement is at best hyperbole and at worst moronic

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    Dawg I ain’t saying organized religion is innocent. But it is false to claim that the sole purpose of religion is to control the masses. Your original comment was also just wrong like bruh, how can you claim that a figure like Jesus (the guy flipping tables in the marketplace, preaching ab how the poor are the most holy, saving the lepers, etc) was actually an evil psychopath who had a long game where he was going to fleece the poor of their wealth and threaten people with eternal damnation so they would follow him. That’s just some braindead conspiracy shit where you’re afraid everyone is out to get you. Grow up

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Whatever jesus the human did in the past is irrelevant. He is used as an icon to control people by those who built an organized cult around him.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why didn’t you start with that 😭 your original argument sounded so silly. Hell you could’ve said smtn interesting like how an originally innocuous scripture was co-opted for nefarious purposes but instead you just wanted to sound like an 8th grader who found r/atheism for the first time 💔

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The over 100 upvotes say otherwise…

    Religion is a cult that’s actively making the world a worse place.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    “The over 100 upvotes say otherwise”🤓 grow up lmao

    And buddy we literally agreed ab how scripture/prophets/religious ideas are often co-opted for power over a group of people.

    I’m just tryna let you know that your argument sounded stupid lol. Try using specific evidence for arguments next time.

    For example “religion is a cult…” is an awful start to an argument. 1) wtf is religion, that is a very broad term 2) the religion you’re mentioning is written in the singular, are you trying to say that all world religions are actually the same religion? 3) what about this (singular?) cult is actively making the world worse?

    Instead try saying something like “Zionist politicians purposely mislead their constituents through well chosen scripture in order to garner support for the genocide of thousands.”

    See how my statement was the effectively the same as your argument, but it uses more precise language and points to a specific modern day example.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t give a shit about your opinion. I’m not going to censor myself or use click bait sounding arguments.

    Religions are fucking cults, every last one of them and I’m done pretending they are not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I’m not going to… use click bait sounding arguments

    religion is a cult that’s actively making the world a worse place

    So what you did there is contradict yourself.

    And considering that you keep responding to my comments and (poorly) defending your argument, you clearly care a lot about my opinion.

    You also really gotta clean up this thesis of yours. Besides the brutal and ignorant simplicity, you need to find a noun other than “cult.” I get what you’re trying to say, but by using cult in this manner you are essentially arguing that we need to change the definition of the word “cult” instead of remove all religion (which seems to be your goal).*

    *I’m not really going to expand more on what I mean by how you use the word “cult” cause it would require me to write a much more interesting essay than your poorly thought out idea.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    If you need a fictional character to tell you to act like a decent human being then you’re not a good person.

    What happens when you need a real person to tell you to act like a "decent human being" like every human in existence today? Are we all by nature "evil" because we require third parties to dictate what "good" is?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Nobody needs third parties to dictate what good is, it's embedded in our genes.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    This is incorrect. You likely have learned little on your own, especially true regarding behavior.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    I'm not arguing against that, but there definitely is a moral compass embedded in our genes. We've evolved to work and live in a society. Otherwise we would be extinct. You may be taught things that "feel" wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You appear to have never raised children. Being empathetic and kind to children is key so they can learn what empathy and kindness is; without the demonstration (and for many children, the reinforcement) children's instinct are to resort to violence to get their way. Infants start out in the world copying the perspective of their parents, which is It is so critical to be expressively empathetic with infants so they can learn the appropriate mapping of experiences with feelings.

    Children don’t just pick up these values from their parents, but from everyone around them; and in a social group where everyone balances their values against everyone else, norms and traditions form, and now there is an informal religion; and where norms and traditions transcend generations of those practicing, social structures are inevitably built to reinforce the norms into future generations, and now there is a formalized religion.

    Any social structure can be corrupted by power. To say religion is inherently amoral because it is corrupt is put on intellectual blindfolds to how social values and norms are shared

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We may be speaking of different things. Let me ask you something: do you think the warm feeling you get when you help someone or share a moment of achievement with another person is taught by society?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    There definitely is no evidence to support an inherent "moral compass" in humans or any other animal because there is no evidence to support genetic memory which would be required to pass information without teaching it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The obvious response to this is "companions in guilt". It's a meta ethics argument that essentially points out that moral reasoning is no different than other types of reasoning. There is no need for "genetic memory", when like logic it's simply a consequence of how human minds are structured.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    Genes are a type of memory. Instincts aren't taught.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    Define instincts and provide an example of them being inherent.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The entire life of a turtle...?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    Did you know that the mother communicates to her eggs before leaving the beach? They also have a very complex verbal and non verbal way of communicating which begins even before they hatch.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Even assuming you're correct, which I very highly doubt as you have provided no source for your claim that contradicts the overwhelming majority of information you can find online, are you going to tell me flies also communicate with their eggs? Does it continue all the way down to amoebas?

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    Even assuming you’re correct, which I very highly doubt as you have provided no source for your claim that contradicts the overwhelming majority of information you can find online, are you going to tell me flies also communicate with their eggs? Does it continue all the way down to amoebas?

    Search "Turtles speak to eggs" if you want to see an overwhelming amount of information that supports the studies done on Turtle communication. Not only do the mothers speak to their babies in the eggs, the baby turtles speak to each other before they hatch.

    No, because we are talking about Turtles and what studies know about Turtles. I am unsure what we know about how flies communicate, or how amoebas communicate beyond chemical reactions, but that has nothing to do with the facts about Turtles.

    Nobody needs third parties to dictate what good is, it’s embedded in our genes.

    Feel free to source your bullshit before asking for a source from someone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    We're not talking about turtles but about instincts, that's why I said "assuming you're correct" because even if you are, you're not disproving the existence of instincts, which is pretty much scientific common knowledge. The specific example is not that important for the argument, which you conveniently avoided.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    We’re not talking about turtles but about instincts, that’s why I said “assuming you’re correct” because even if you are, you’re not disproving the existence of instincts, which is pretty much scientific common knowledge. The specific example is not that important for the argument, which you conveniently avoided.

    I asked you to provide an example of inherent instincts, you said Turtles, I demonstrated why you were wrong.

    The onus is on you to prove your original hypothesis:

    Nobody needs third parties to dictate what good is, it’s embedded in our genes.

    I am not avoiding your argument, I am explicitly telling you it is bullshit. This is bullshit and not backed by anything real.

    Feel free to source something or jog on.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sigh...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct

    There you go, sources and all. It's very illuminating.

    My argument is that there is a basic moral code embedded in our genes via instincts. For example the ability to feel compassion and empathy - these are instinctual.

    https://online.uwa.edu/news/empathy-in-animals/ (just an example)

    Now, what exactly is "good" is a philosophical question without an objective answer. But to assume our entire behavior and everything makes a person "good" is learned is pretty disingenuous, at least under the definitions of good I've most commonly come across.

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    My argument is that there is a basic moral code embedded in our genes via instincts. For example the ability to feel compassion and empathy - these are instinctual.

    A wiki does not an argument make, and your argument fails to explain why compassion and empathy are not universal in our species and a learned behavior.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're not arguing in good faith - the wiki was the source for the existence of instincts you asked for. Also, Wikipedia is a very good resource actually, what difference would it make to you if I just copied the sources referenced in the article?

    I didn't get your second part.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    threat of eternal damnation

    And that's what a lot of people get wrong about christianity. Jesus literally said "everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    And what happens with those that don’t believe? Those that doubt for even a second? Burn in hell for all eternity!

    Believe in us or you are forever doomed.

    It’s an ultimatum designed to terrify and control people.

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    And what happens with those that don’t? Those that doubt for even a second? Burn in hell for all eternity!

    Even the apostles doubted many times and nobody thinks they burn in hell right now.

    It’s an ultimatum designed to terrify and control people.

    If somebody calls himself christian out of fear and terror, then I'm afraid we believe in different gods.

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    Even the apostles doubted many times and nobody thinks they burn in hell right now.

    Nobody thinks or do you mean you think? Cause you have to be joking yourself if you think there are no worshippers that fear burning in hell for their sins.

    If somebody calls himself christian out of fear and terror, then l'm afraid we believe in different gods.

    How do you know which one is correct? Yours is just an interpretation of another person’s interpretation of events that happened ages ago. The writing in the bible is clear about burning in hell for all eternity and now you are cherry picking what parts you believe in?

    How does any of this shit have any kind of credibility with that level of brain gymnastics.

    I don’t believe in any gods. There are hundreds of versions of god that you don’t believe in, only difference is I don’t believe in one more.

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    Even the apostles doubted many times and nobody thinks they burn in hell right now.

    Nobody thinks or do you mean you think?

    I mean... they are literally called "saint" and guess what it means.

    Cause you have to be joking yourself if you think there are no worshippers that fear burning in hell for their sins.

    Surely there are. If I met such person, I would gladly talk with them, or recommend some literature on this topic.

    How do you know which one is correct? Yours is just an interpretation of another person’s interpretation of events that happened ages ago. The writing in the bible is clear about burning in hell for all eternity and now you are cherry picking what parts you believe in?

    It's not my interpretation, it's the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church (and probably other "variants" too, I'm just not aware of the differences).

    I don’t believe in any gods. There are hundreds of versions of god that you don’t believe in, only difference is I don’t believe in one more.

    Okay, that's your choice

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    No, because socialism is when bad thing! /s obviously

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Christianity is incredibly easy to fake. Anyone can call themselves a Christian with little, if any, blowback. It's the whole 'sinner saved by grace' schtick - which is, essentially, "Yup, I'm a Christian but I don't really have to act like one."

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    People care about helping people.

    Its had a billion different names throughout history and each of them has been or will be subverted into something bad by people who seek control.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wanna see them bible shitposts

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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    If I'm gonna believe some wildass shit I might as well really go for it you know?

    Yeah, I mean if you can't demonstrate that what you believe is true, then why not just make that belief the most absurd thing you can possibly find?

    What a weird take... Maybe people don't meme about Christianity, because the subjugation of populations using fairy tales is not really a funny thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    For all their “christianity”, republicans in the US are pretty hypocritical

    No, no, you were indoctrinated by people with agenda
    Jesus was saying, and everyone was obeying, like a good person does

    /s in case it's not clear

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Lot of people during history fought for socialism but they always ignore that part somehow.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wait until the suckers learn that he doesn't want people to eat animals in the apocryphal writings. But that's just how Christianity works... Take what fits the bill (Emperor Constantine, Jerome of Stridon, anyone?).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Um, He fed people fish. Apocryphal writings are not in the cannon for a reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Also, don't forget the story where he told his disciples to go fish again, and they returned with a boat so gull of fish that it almost sank.

    It's safe to say that Jesus was not opposed to eating at least fish.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is it really? Because some dudes decided what's canon and what isn't? Cherry picking is cherry picking, no matter how you describe it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If your argument is that the whole bible is unreliable due to canon selection that's a totally viable argument to make. But that then goes both ways and means that you can't make an argument about anything Christ did or did not teach or do. It means, you can neither make the argument that Jesus was for eating animals or against it, because any scripture supporting any of these points was subject to canon selection and thus is unreliable.

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