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[–] 65 points 1 year ago (27 children)

It is what it is. I have no idea how to incite a new wave short of Reddit shitting itself in some way

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    I think what we can try to do is to create an active community.

    In the old place, I recognized I really came for the comments. That's why I try to keep my threshold for commenting low and comment often.

    Even if it's just to thank someone for a good comment or other low effort commenting, I like to think it helps.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    We definitely need better onboarding. I am pushing for this on piefed via directs to newcomers@piefed.zip for new users to introduce themselves

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It's that live now for Piefed.social ?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I haven't checked personally. Requires making new accounts to check each time

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It should also fire when you manually make a user from the admin panel, if you want to test it out

    https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic/Onboarding/near/7719

    You're an admin IIRC?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I'm not a programmer so I can't speak to how hard this is, but I think it would be a big asset to building user base if there was a neutral sign up website that wasn't a specific instance. It would basically choose an instance for you automatically and skip that part. I figure there could be some list of general purpose instances compiled that are all fair game and the site would try to spread the load across instances.

    Average user doesn't care about federation, and all of that complexity is a big turn off. I know because I almost didn't sign up myself because of that. Having to pick a team just to get in the door feels kinda bad.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)
    • point people to one instance you like instead of a general website
    • on Piefed, when people register, they can either join indeed the instance they're on, or have a look at other options: https://piefed.zip/auth/instance_chooser
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn't be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don't care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.

    If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.

    I don't, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip

    This would just be an alternative

    The issue is that there aren't really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah that's a good point. Maybe it's too different for it to work. I maintain that complexity will continue to push people away, though. If instances are that different we might have better luck referring to them as their own sites. That would just increase the flocking to single mega instances though. The most important feature of any social media site is who's on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's okay if they join one instance. I'm not a fan of the LW dominance, but it's better to have another LW user than no user at all

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I would agree with that. I think the ability to spin up new instances if something goes wrong with a big one is still a great feature even if one gains dominance.

    I don't know how hard account migration is right now, but that's probably another UX thing to make easy if the devs decide to work on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was in the same boat as you regarding signing up. I also agree with you that the concept of federation might be confusing for new users. Just gave up at the promt to explore other instances (in lemmy.world sign up) and signed up to lemmy.world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You have a point but maybe the gatekeeping is a good thing?

    Average user doesn’t care about federation would translate to the average user doesn’t care about this community. Maybe?

    It’s like how some old forums would charge for an account. Kept a certain low effort person from signing up. Sure it might turn people off but if you do enough work to understand how to get in then there’s a level of buying into it that might make you care more.

    Just some thoughts.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Thank you for your service. I agree with you on the issue, but am a bit afraid that if more people onboard here, the threads will be just the same reddit hivemind circlejerk like ”i also choose this guys wife” etc. But since there is no karma to gain here I wish it will stay like this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Let's talk about the Overton window.

    At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.

    At that point y'all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it'll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:

    You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.

    AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:

    👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey

    Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This certainly needs to be said and I know exactly what your talking about, but lets be real here. This is an online space, it's always gonna have that element to it.

    I'm personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm personally very excited to have more folks flow in from reddit tho.

    That would definitely stink up the place. But... I have a plan.

    We need to come up with a new SSO for the fediverse, one that has an OPAD that only yields a code if it doesn't detect BO.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    last 2 years look pretty stable to me

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  • [–] 269 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah. And we don't need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This doesn't seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Anecdotally, it doesn't feel like the experience is contracting, or part of a shrinking community. It's worth asking what the data means, and whether it's bad, but there are definitely other reasonable factors too. Users from interoperable platforms like mastodon and piefed, individual people using fewer accounts, or even fewer lurkers, could be responsible for a good chunk of the data.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree except it feels like people are way more active here than on reddit, me personally I never commented but I comment all the time on here. Lemmy feels really active even without a ton of users (especially discussion threads)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    That said, it is unfortunate that this only applies to very general spaces or some specific communities. If your interest is even a little too niche, the dedicated communities often feel like a graveyard unfortunately.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    its probably due to self-censorship because subs, and reddit is ready to ban you at the moments notice for saying something they think its violating the rules(misconstruing) and not do actually violating by being vitrolitic, or bigotic. you have to be careful what you say on reddit.

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Nah its basically stable. Green is monthly which fluctuates with seasons (more people in northern hemisphere and spend more time online in winter months). The blue line is yearly rolling average and the initial spike takes a long time to work though giving impression of gradual decline.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    People have started using Piefed insted of Lemmy, but I'm not sure we should throw away hope for the fediverse because of that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    PieFed and Mbin are both different implementations of the ActivityPub Protocol just like Lemmy. Although I doubt this graph includes either of them, despite how many left Lemmy for Piefed when Lemm.ee went down.

    I looked and PieFed adds another ~1600 monthly active users and Mbin a further ~700 to the mix. PieFed starts out its chart with single digit user counts and ends with three orders of magnitude growth, so definitely not flat at all, though stable over the last few months.

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