AB-1043 "Age verification signals: software applications and online services."

Text https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043

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California AB 1043 signed. Mandatory os-level, device-level, app store, and even developer-required age verification for all computing devices.

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[–] 156 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Good luck enforcing that on Linux.

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  • [–] 119 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's probably the point.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft and Google lobbied for this to prevent open source from encroaching on their terf

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Likely yes, though it won't matter to me. I'll recompile from suitably modified source code if it comes to that.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They might try to stop Linux from booting at all with locked bootloaders.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's precedent that source code is protected speech, so maybe Gentoo is about to become a lot more popular.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And who doesn't enjoy using 90% of their system resources to compile the 10% remainder all the time?

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  • [–] 131 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You just know that when a bill is titled "Protect the little children from eternal suffering bill", it's gonna contain some real fucked up anti-privacy nonsense in it.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    This is probably the most dystopian child safety bill so far.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Most dystopian "child safety" bill. Let's not legitimize the claim that these laws are made to protect children while having privacy-invading side effects - they are privacy-invading laws disguised as child protection, while failing to have any real impact on children's online safety and wellbeing

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    I'm not sure anything this repressive is implemented anywhere in the world.

    Edit: wait this is the other half of the thing everywhere else is doing that would make this nightmare shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    The only thing that I can think of is how China regulates it's online gaming.

    What is China’s Age Verification System?

    China’s Age Verification System or 游戏适龄提示 in Chinese, is a government-mandated infrastructure that restricts minors’ access to online games and digital platforms. In China, all users must undergo “Real Name Verification” (实名认证) before accessing gaming services, enabling platforms to enforce age-appropriate restrictions automatically.

    The system is overseen by the National Press and Publication Administration (NPPA) and integrates with national databases to verify user identities in real-time.

    https://appinchina.co/blog/the-complete-guide-to-chinas-age-verification-system/

    The move to do this was largely in part thanks to complaints of parents in regards to their kids' habits with gacha games. For anyone interested, what I posted was a small excerpt from the link, there's a lot more info on it there.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Is it in the OS?seems like just games.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    It is similar, not the same. Some other key differences to consider are that while the US one is at the OS level, it's just asking you to provide an age that isn't linked to your ID or anything. It's just like when a website asks your age, you can absolutely lie about it. But now it's being done on the OS account, not the website.

    Whereas, yeah, it is just for games in China, but it is absolutely being run against the person's ID in a national database. Some games even require facial recognition. So it's on a whole other level of verification and tracking.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    The us is also openly capitalist with no other pretentions or pressures, and currently in the grip of a fascist regime.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I mean, sure? But that's rather broad and does not really pertain to the topic at hand which is potentially (or outright) privacy-breaking legislature enacted and enforced on technology in the name of protecting childeren.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its the difference between fucking around with a gun in the hospital parking lot with your two EMT lovers who are trying to get you to stop, and fucking around with a gun in the deep arctic with two hardened killers who want you dead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    while the US one is at the OS level, it’s just asking you to provide an age that isn’t linked to your ID or anything.

    It's Age Verification, which will almost certainly mean either ID scanning or facial scanning via the device camera. Or alternatively card transaction verification - the OG method baked into all these laws is the one that pays MasterCard and VISA. ID and facial recognition are cheaper services because the business providing the scan service can make more money off the ID or face they scan.

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  • [+] 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One of the architects of Project 2025 confessed on secret camera that the purpose of age verification laws is a de facto porn ban.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I'm sorry but you're using that term wrong. You mean a de jure porn ban.

    A de facto porn ban would mean that you actually couldn't get any. And that's just ridiculous.

    Like drugs are illegal de jure, but de facto getting weed pretty much anywhere in the world is not a challenge. Usually even easier than getting alcohol as an underage person. Not that I have experience of that in the past few decades (being underage that is).

    I mean I guess it's "de facto" in sofar that it's not exactly presciptively de jure illegal when it's done like that. So in that sense you are right to use it like that, but eh. I disagree with who I was when I started writing this. No matter we're on lemmy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Maybe for them. But for governments in general the point is that age verification is ID verification and it means everything you do online or on any electronic device can be surveilled and tied to your real identity. And that makes political dissent a lot harder to organize without being shut down.

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  • [–] 106 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Et tu, California with Democratic majority in both chambers? Fucking disgraceful.

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well, we as a state voted to ban flavored tobacco products when like 10 kids were getting popcorn lung from black market THC oil carts.

    And selling tobacco to minors here is highly illegal, as it should be. So I never understood why we banned flavored tobacco, when the kids were getting issues from black market THC carts, which they also shouldn't have been sold/using.

    Not even getting into how the law didn't stop flavored alcohol, we can still buy bubblegum flavored vodka here.

    So even in the 2nd most Democrat leaning state, we still push for the dumbest laws. This was a state wide vote, not something the Senate/Assembly voted on.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can report here that my fellow cigarette smokers in Illinois are still happy to be puffing their cancer sticks because flavored nicotine vapes are worse, and cause popcorn lung, so I should just keep smoking cigs.

    Dumbest laws are pushed because we have the dumbest peoples.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    the popcorn lung shit is such old news that people who bring it up have no idea what they are talking about. it was related to a chemical called Diacetyl. The popcorn lung name was from a industrial incident where workers were making popcorn with diacetyl as the flavoring, and there was an accident and they inhaled diacetyl vapors. There was no study done to say the levels in e-liquid cause this "popcorn lung" but e-liquid companies were so scared it would ruin their business that most removed the flavoring from their recipes, and the ones that contained it, had a warning that it had diacetyl, all without the goverment stepping in. vaping gets so much flak from the shit big-tobacco has done in the past decade and its sad where it is now, where people buy disposables and its just a dead market then what it used to be. just to put things into context here in canada. a 60ml bottle of eliquid used to cost 20-30 CAD before the "sin tax". now, it costs 55-60 CAD for the same bottle. want to bypass the tax and DIY? sorry, nicotine bases to mix only go up to 20mg/ml FOR THE WHOLE BOTTLE meaning that if you want to make your juice, the whole bottle of nicotine base you bought is used for ONE BOTTLE MIX and is subjet to the sin tax. before you could buy a 100mg/ml bottle of nicotine for 40 bucks and it would last your months while you had your flavorings, and PG/VG bases.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    It was a pretty big problem, not just a few kids. That outrage killed the diluent and thickener market for squaline and mineral oils. I learned way more than I ever wanted about how people cut oil based products for looks and consumption. It ended up that basically the entire industry was using products that weren't new but we're now being used at the rate of millions of gallons. Honeycut was the big name that was being sold by the 55 gallon drum.

    If you vaped during that time, you likely put mineral oil into yours lungs. Black and gray market it's still a problem, and those cutting agents were making it to the retail market by the time it got better.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Flavored tobacco used to only target minorities so it was OK. There are documentaries about this showing how much more flavored tobacco was advertised in lower socio-economic areas.

    Once children started vaping the CA govt stepped in.

    If you oppose the ban I have to assume because you don't know where to get menthol cigs anymore. I live in Oakland and can still find Newports. I quite smoking them over 25 years ago but know more than one place that sells them.

    edit - this thread is about age verification. not sure why you think tobacco bans are remotely close.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    you oppose the ban I have to assume because you don’t know where to get menthol cigs anymore. I live in Oakland and can still find Newports. I quite smoking them over 25 years ago but know more than one place that sells them.

    I don't smoke period so I don't mind it. I found the reasoning banning it was stupid, because the boomer voting base didn't understand the reason for the Prop being drawn up.

    this thread is about age verification. not sure why you think tobacco bans are remotely close.

    Talking about a dumb law being passed, so I talked about a dumb law being passed. I said that a state of Democrat voters and Democrat Assembly members doesn't mean they always pass the best/logical bills. Better than if the state was ran by Republicans, but so is every state.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    LOL lib thinks the fascist-lite party cares for the plebs

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    political map with axes left–right & libertarian–authoritarian
    A lib (liberal or libertarian leftist) as opposed to what? A non-liberal, ie, authoritarian leftist?

    I don't think authoritarians have credible claims on this matter or anything worthwhile.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    obviously US liberals.
    The fascist-lite party voters who imagine themselves to be left/progressive

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    US liberals are mostly social liberals & progressives. They include liberal/libertarian leftists from the political map.

    Are you claiming liberal leftism? Then welcome to the club.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I do not care for your explanation.
    The politically illiterate US population uses every term and definition wrong.
    Also they are relative and progressive there means nothing since the overton window is so narrow it only goes from fascist to center-right.
    You can say or claim what you want, all I've heard from so-called US 'liberals' was nearly as horrible and right-wing as the rest.
    Only different in their pet peeves like LGTB, etc..

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think "liberal" is the opposite of "authoritarian" and "left" is the opposite of "right". America has never really done left wing and the liberals are more lib centre than lib left, whilst the conservatives are auth right. American "centrists" are loony right wing by European standards. Tankies are auth left, so find liberals annoyingly non-left and annoyingly non-auth, which is why they have so much to say against dems, whilst the gop is to a tankie at least auth even if they're annoyingly right wing.

    I will never understand why tankies act like the last 50 years of Russian history including the complete overthrow of communism never happened. It's like they kept the worst bits of the soviet approach, threw out all the good bits and added the worst excesses of uncontrolled capitalism instead.

    As a lib left, I find much to disagree with in all those places, but most strongly with the auth right like trump, putin and their chums.

    I'm very very disappointed with UK Labour trying to fix the housing crisis by deregulating to "free up" the housing industry to remove the housing shortage. It's like trying to fix an active alcoholic by giving them the keys to the liquor cabinet. You'll only fix the housing crisis with a massive program of council house building. Anything else is papering over the cracks. You'll only fix the NHS by bringing social care under the same funding roof and investing massively.

    China gets some things right like massive public investment and very long term planning, but other things wrong like authoritarianism. I'm amused that Trump thought he could outsmart a civilization that's been doing diplomacy for thousands of years and has largely (but definitely not exclusively) been a meriticracy for a very long time.

    Some of the Scandinavian democracies have been the best run countries for a long long time.

    Anyway, I'm sure you'll find plenty to hate on there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I will never understand

    That's all you needed to say.
    Misinformed propaganda fed american

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think if you had read the rest of what I wrote you might have spotted a European.

    By where do you stand over Russia? Do you think it's communist? I don't think it's been communist since at least Gorbachev, and it's currently an oligarchy which is about as far removed from communism as you can get, but what's your understanding?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    obviously not communist.
    But by far the lesser evil compared to the US fascists, and their fascist proxy, supported by their semi-fascist EU vassals.
    The enemy of my enemy.
    The Russia is imperialist and scaremongering about them planning to attack a NATO state is laughable.
    It is the western oligarchs and imperialists that are to blame, luckily for the world it has marvelously backfired.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thanks for explaining your position.

    I think we can agree to dislike the oligarchs generally and the power they wield over too much of the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    While that is a generic answer you are correct.
    You being from the UK, where people are massively misinformed and propagandised on the level of their big brother USSA, I shouldn't blame you for having terribly wrong opinions on Russia, China or whatever. With the same pseudo -left Kid Starver who is as right-wing as the US fascist-lite Dems.
    And the BBC regime mouthpieces spouting horrible genocider and imperialist garbage 24/7.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    What are you trying to argue? Non-liberals will demand liberty from intrusive imposition of age verification? What do we call these advocates for social liberty? With which major US political ideology do they belong if they had to choose?

    The politically illiterate US population uses every term and definition wrong.

    You must be speaking of yourself: now you're disagreeing with political scientists & historians. The linked article cites definitions & references from both.

    The political spectrum article

    Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".

    Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals.

    reaffirms political scientists consider progressives & social liberals on the left.

    Also they are relative

    Not entirely: words still mean things.

    Progressivism: ideology

    that seeks to advance the human condition through social reform.

    Social liberalism:

    variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights

    social liberalism places greater emphasis on the role of government in addressing social inequalities and ensuring public welfare

    So back to modern liberalism in the US: what has it endorsed & pursued?

    The modern liberal philosophy strongly endorses public spending on programs such as education, health care, and welfare.

    What are these if not social reforms to advance the human condition (ie, progressive policies)?

    It combines ideas of cultural liberalism, social liberalism, progressivism, civil liberty and social equality with support for social justice and a mixed economy

    Important social issues during the 21st century include social justice, economic inequality (wealth and income), voting rights for minorities, affirmative action, reproductive and other women's rights, support for LGBT rights, and immigration reform.

    What is the support for mixed economy & these issues if not the definition of social liberalism?

    Are you claiming any of that has much to do with "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism" that characterize the right? They seem to have an awful lot more to do with "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" that characterize the left.

    It's time to face reality & admit the facts don't support you.

    all I’ve heard from so-called US ‘liberals’ was nearly as horrible and right-wing as the rest

    Then maybe you don't know many liberals.

    overton window is so narrow it only goes from fascist to center-right

    Regardless of what you think, people in the libertarian left of the political map exist in the US, and there are only 2 major ideologies there to choose from.

    Modern liberalism is one of two major political ideologies in the United States, with the other being conservatism.

    They're not throwing their lot in with conservatism. That really narrows down the possibilities.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago

    The Moral Majority, which championed efforts to get "Explicit Lyrics" labels on records, among oþer censorious legislation, was headed by þe wife of þe Democratic US VP.

    Democrats have þeir own issues; þey're just not as egregious as Republican troubles. We're still a nation of Puritans and parents who refuse to be accountable for raising þeir own children.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    (b) If an application last updated with updates on or after January 1, 2026, was downloaded to a device before January 1, 2027, and the developer has not requested a signal with respect to the user of the device on which the application was downloaded, the developer shall request a signal from a covered application store with respect to that user before July 1, 2027.

    (f) “Developer” means a person that owns, maintains, or controls an application.

    1798.503. (a) A person that violates this title shall be subject to an injunction and liable for a civil penalty of not more than two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) per affected child for each negligent violation

    So a developer of a FOSS application that gets installed on a device on California via a 3rd party app store (maybe F-droid) must have implemented a query to the OS for this data. Even if the app does not actually provide any inappropriate content or actually any content.

    Nor does it matter if he is involved in the distribution of the app to California, a FOSS app redistributed via a 3rd party (F-droid maybe) would make the developer subject to this.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    According to (f), the user is officially the developer of a FOSS application:

    • The user is the owner of the binary. (Although with copyright restrictions)
    • The user often maintains the application by installing updates. (In FOSS applications updates are rarely forced)
    • The user controls the application, as FOSS gives users control.

    In some cases (such as the Arch User Repository or the Gentoo distribution), the developer does not even give the user an application but merely source code. The user creates the application.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    There is no mention of binaries in either f or c. Possession of binaries does not constitute ownership of an application, ownership of software means holding the copyrights.

    But even if we abuse this definition we simply make whoever installs the application liable. In a lot of cases that would be a parent. It could also be the user since the law doesn't state they can't be the same person.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The word 'application' means the binary. The source code is not the application.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's your opinion. It's wrong. There even are applications that do not have binaries at all. There is no reason to believe the legislators would not want them covered by this law, it certainly does not say so.

    It also does not make a difference, owner of the copyright of a binary is the owner of the copyright of the source code. Compiling does not remove the copyright of the source code author as the binary is clearly derived from the source code. The person who compiles the source code does not even get any copyright since it's not a creative process.

    You are not helping FOSS by trying to portray the law as FOSS friendly when it isn't. Unfortunately the law rarely is FOSS friendly if not due to hostility due to indifference/ignorance on the part of the legislators.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    That’s your opinion. It’s wrong.

    Only facts can be right or wrong.

    Anyway, I know there are applications that don't have binaries, but most do. I am not a lawyer, but if I'm not mistaken, source code is under U.S. law protected by the first amendment while binaries are not.

    Also, it doesn't matter who owns the copyright. The laws specifies "a person that owns, maintains, or controls an application".

    I am not saying that the law is FOSS friendly. I am saying that the law does not cover all FOSS software despite it being the clear intend of the lawmakers to cover all software. In such cases it will have to be decided by courts (I believe courts still have this function for state laws), whether it also applies to FOSS software.

    What I am saying is that the lawmakers clearly do not understand the topic they are trying to regulate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Only facts can be right or wrong.

    Opinions (such as that the Earth is flat) can obviously be wrong. Facts cannot. Look up the definition of fact.

    Anyway, I know there are applications that don’t have binaries, but most do. I am not a lawyer, but if I’m not mistaken, source code is under U.S. law protected by the first amendment while binaries are not.

    You admit applications are not necessarily binary, the law does not mention binary or source code or anything like that where it defines applications. You are just grasping at straws to justify an indefensible position, that whoever possesses a binary is it's owner.

    Which is obviously untrue. Ownership of software means ownership of it's copyright. It's been made very clear in the last decades that you (legally) don't even own software that you pay for. You own a license to use the software.

    You cannot argue, in good faith at least, that this is what is intended by the law. First it would be spelled out and secondly it would mean that for all applications, not just FOSS ones, the people paying the fines would be the users, $2500 for each app they install that's in violation. Which is obviously not what's intended.

    I am not saying that the law is FOSS friendly. I am saying that the law does not cover all FOSS software despite it being the clear intend of the lawmakers to cover all software. In such cases it will have to be decided by courts (I believe courts still have this function for state laws), whether it also applies to FOSS software.

    Unfortunately it does since it does not discriminate. If anybody that can be effectively prosecuted (i.e. US/California resident) takes your advice and takes it to court, he is getting fucked.

    What I am saying is that the lawmakers clearly do not understand the topic they are trying to regulate.

    No shit. That does not mean FOSS software is not affected. You also do not understand the topic or choose to not understand it because it's spells trouble for FOSS. But pretending everything is ok does not make it so. FOSS projects either need to implement it or make sure they isolate themselves from US/California jurisdiction.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Opinions (such as that the Earth is flat) can obviously be wrong. I thought I knew English, but apparently not. (I'm not a native speaker.) I always assumed that "opinion" meant the same as judgement (which is what I learned at school), but I just looked opinion up in the dictionary, and it can also mean belief or or view.

    It’s been made very clear in the last decades that you (legally) don’t even own software that you pay for. You own a license to use the software. This is untrue. Legally speaking you "own" the software, but what you can do with the software is limited by both the copyright and the license. Often this license will say that the creator still owns the software, so by accepting the license, you no longer own the software. Today you often have to accept the license before you even download the software. So you are correct that the user doesn't own the software, but that's not the default. For example, FOSS licenses do not specify that the creator continues to own the software, therefore ownership is given to the user.

    for all applications, not just FOSS ones, the people paying the fines would be the users, $2500 Nope. Since most licenses say that the developer is the owner, the fine would go to the developer. Also, the law says that the fine can go to the "maintainer" which, again, is the developer.

    takes your advice I wasn't giving advice. I'm saying that the decision is up to the court. But if you want legal advice (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer): Do not do anything of which the legality still has to be decided by a court.

    That does not mean FOSS software is not affected I never said that. I said that FOSS software is affected differently if you take the law by the letter (which the courts don't have to do).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is untrue. Legally speaking you “own” the software, but what you can do with the software is limited by both the copyright and the license. Often this license will say that the creator still owns the software, so by accepting the license, you no longer own the software. Today you often have to accept the license before you even download the software. So you are correct that the user doesn’t own the software, but that’s not the default. For example, FOSS licenses do not specify that the creator continues to own the software, therefore ownership is given to the user.

    You have a major misunderstanding of copyright law. Licenses do not need to keep or 'turn back' 'ownership' of software to the developers, copyright law does that. If you get hold of software without accepting a license, you do not become it's owner, you in fact have no right to use it and could be sued for doing so by the holder of it's copyright.

    takes your advice I wasn’t giving advice. I’m saying that the decision is up to the court. But if you want legal advice (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer): Do not do anything of which the legality still has to be decided by a court.

    Well if someone was convinced by your opinion that the law does not cover FOSS software he would be fucked. Hopefully he will also read your advice and act accordingly.

    That does not mean FOSS software is not affected I never said that. I said that FOSS software is affected differently if you take the law by the letter (which the courts don’t have to do).

    Which is wrong. Thankfully because your opinion is that the user is the owner would mean the law would fuck over way more people.

    You could just admit that the law if bad for all software including FOSS.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    As a developer who can't control who distributes their software, I would simply change my license to exclude residents of California until this blows over, just to avoid the fine.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So a developer of a FOSS application that gets installed on a device on California

    would make the developer subject to this.

    And they're going to do what exactly to a developer that doesn't live in California? I won't add any kind of age verification to my bioinformatics projects and I'll keep issuing releases. Are they going to nuke Brazil? Block GitHub in California?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Since it's a civil case I doubt they could enforce payment on people outside the US. I am not sure if they can collect from people in the rest of the US but they probably can.

    I suppose not complying with a court order could result in criminal charges. Brazil will not extradite you but you will not be able to visit the US.

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  • [–] [S] 81 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I apologize for this being posted about 2 weeks after the bill was signed, was going through my usual methods of checking news and new laws and found this.

    Now terminals will read: “GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law, and contains code known by the State of California to cause cancer or other reproductive harm.” /j

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Mandatory os-level

    Cute attempt, but libre software - as always - remains superior and impossible to control. That's by design. Write any law you want, I can modify whatever line of code implements this stupid check, remove it, and move on.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    On a PC that isn't so hard to do. The problem though is that online services will start requiring the os level check which itself will likely require phoning home to some service.

    Plus open software on phones and tablets is still in very early stages.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Plus open software on phones and tablets is still in very early stages.

    This simply isn't true. However your first comment about OS level checks is where the issue lies - if you don't phone home to Google your banking app won't work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You mean the libre software that is all primarily stored on AWS, Azure, or Google infrastructure, especially github?

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He can go fuck himself. "Dems are the good guys!!!" Fuck off. This isnt about protecting kids. Its about tracking, profiling and data collection. No doubt to sell to 3rd parties. Fuck all these cunts who push this shit.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    There's no fighting 21st century fascism without breaking this law.

    This is so much more effectively evil than ehat the trump admin has been doing holy shit.

    This might genuinely be world leading evil.

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  • We’ve seen some truly horrific and tragic examples of young people harmed by unregulated tech, and we won’t stand by while companies continue without necessary limits and accountability.

    So it's individuals that will get the limits and accountability while privacy companies will get off with slaps on the wrist when they inevitably have data breaches. Really tired of this double speak bullshit.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Coincidentally, my birthday is 1900, January 1st.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    While I oppose this with every inch of my being I do look forward to seeing some super tongue in cheek implementations in Linux distros.

    export $AGE

    Linux dev sitting there like: well, my work is done.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago*

    Gavin is as slimey as his hair.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    Fuck that stupid bullshit.

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