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[–] 199 points 1 year ago (30 children)

That's because hormonal birth control for women takes advantage of existing biological processes to prevent pregnancy.

Men don't have any known biological processes that can be utilized like that, although it's been consistently studied for decades.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    And there is some progress too afaik

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    There's been "progress" every few years for decades. Male birth control is basically the medical equivalent of battery technology.

    I'll believe it when a pill makes it to market.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean... you know that you can buy batteries today, and they're much better than the ones you could buy a decade ago?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The point is that on a regular basis there are articles about some amazing new battery breakthrough, but it never leaves the lab.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Genuinely kinda wonder why that keeps happening

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Most progress isn't made in sudden huge jumps, but small incremental improvements.

    When pubsci articles promise a breakthrough, remember:

    • it takes a long time to bring such research to market (think ~decade)
    • most breakthroughs are only applicable to narrow niches or work under specific conditions
    • real-life results will usually be worse than lab results
    • startups have incentives to make their research appear as important as possible

    But instead of waiting for huge breakthroughs, just look at the progress made in commercially available batteries. There have been many improvements in cost & charge density.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I had thought that another part of it was the levels of harm compared to the problem; getting pregnant is incredibly stressful and possibly harmful, up to and including death as a possibility. A medicine that can stop that but has side affects that are less harmful than pregnancy is a lot more palatable. Whereas, for men, the harm caused by pregnancy is zero, so any harm caused by the pill is weighed a lot heavier.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's really frustrating how often this gets framed as sexist, when it's a totally different problem. I get why people would equate them but they are very different biological processes. Producing a baby is a complicated process, and there's a lot of steps that we can intervene in to prevent it. Producing a million sperm is, maybe surprisingly, less complicated and it's harder to target a specific thing and produce easily reversible results.

    Men have had vasectomy on the table for a long time now. It's just more serious than most forms of female birth control, in terms of implementation and recovery, still not foolproof, and not as easy to reverse.

    Even more frustrating is that sexism definitely does exist and play a role. It's just more about the human parts of the process, like dealing with medical staff, dealing with insurance, dealing with local, state, and now federal governments that want to bar access to women. Looking at the pill side is misplacing the anger.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am pretty sure there have been attempts at temporarily blocking sperm so not having to do vasectomy for decades and it was not yet successful, it's not like this problem is not being worked on because scientists are sexist or something

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I think men should consider the potential harms to their partner in their calculus. If a man participates in causing a pregnancy that results in serious complications or death, I would sincerely hope that he would be as devastated by the loss of his partner as he would by suffering the harm himself. If men can't empathize with their partner enough to consider the risks to her, then he shouldn't be having sex in the first place.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Iirc there are trials for pills for men right now

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So far, there’s no male birth control pill on the market. But there are two types of birth control pills in the works: YCT-529 and dimethandrolone undecanoate. YCT-529 is a hormone-free male birth control pill that aims to stop your body from making sperm by targeting the vitamin A signaling that makes sperm production possible.

    Researchers studied the effects of this male birth control pill on animals. They found that in mice, after four weeks of use, it was 99% effective in preventing pregnancies. In primates, sperm counts dropped in just two weeks of use. Researchers also completed a phase 1 human study to test how safe and tolerable the drug is. Now, they’re recruiting participants for a phase 1B/2A study, but more research is needed before this drug can hit the market.

    The other male birth control pill, dimethandrolone undecanoate (DMAU), may also be available as an injectable. This one is a hormonal birth control, meaning it impacts your male sex hormones, causing them to temporarily stop your body from making sperm.

    In a phase 1 study, participants took DMAU for 28 days. But the participants weren’t relying on DMAU for birth control, so more research is needed. Even though a phase 2 trial is in the works, it’s not complete.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/male-contraceptives

    Huh. I thought the trials had been completed, but I guess not. Feels like I remember hearing about them like 4-5+ years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Also, that imply i have to plan doing sex weeks before if i have to take the pill

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Also, that imply i have to plan doing sex weeks before if i have to take the pill

    Same with the female pill. The intended usage is that you take birth control regularly, regardless of how often you actually have sex.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Also we have condoms too so i don't get what everyone is talking about

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yes, but even when used correctly the chance of pregnancy is still significant.

    And many people do not know how to use them correctly.

    This is a yes and situation. (You should use condoms regardless of other contraceptives, for sexual health reasons)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's been attempted multiple times and every time the effects are non-reversible and have horrible side effects.

    It's essentially all the negatives of hardcore anabolic steroid usage without the muscles.

    It sucks but the reality of it is guys are basically too simple to disrupt without seriously fucking everything up but woman are more complicated so relatively minor tweaks can achieve the desired effect.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's more that there's not any reason for the body to have developed a mechanism to stop sperm production.

    Success in evolution is largely accomplished by reproducing better than those without your mutation. Shutting down sperm production does the opposite.

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  • [+] 47 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It ain't like pharma ain't been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they'd love the extra money.

    But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.

    Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn't have to bear that burden alone.

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    They're referring to this one back in 2016, where the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women's birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn't the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.

    Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market afaik, like this hormonal gel and this pill.

    More recently (like earlier this year) its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you read the actual study or FDA report as to why they pulled the trial? High school level Americans fall for sensationalized articles and journalists report on things they are clueless about all the time

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Idk I was 16 when that came out so actually high school level. Feel free to read the study yourself and correct me? Not sure what you're skeptical about tbh but the belittling is really uncalled for. You asked for a source and I gave one.

    The point of sources is so you can see where the person got their information and personally verify what was said, not to unequivocally prove things true or false based on there being a credible source at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequences. so it is quite stupid take.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What? You could say that when reversed, but until proven otherwise, women have every rights and the power to chose what happens, unlike men who don't have a say

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know where you live but in the north, women usually control their bodies and may chose to keep the baby or not, regardless of the father's opinion

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i still have no idea what you are trying argue.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I'm willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago*

    If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hour for roughly 12 hours a day (with breaks for food and resting his dick a tiny bit) for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn't always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)

    But of course humans don't behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don't mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties' responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If i cum today and i want to cum tomorrow i will already feel a weaker sensation, probably if i cum 2/3 time in a day that sensation will be as good as laughing at a joke that isn't even that funny

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cocaine is your friend here, good sir.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    "Okay, yea, my nose is always bleeding, my heart is on the verge of exploding, and I am at constant risk of having a seizure at any time. But my dick is rock hard and I can cum like 10 times before I start bleeding from the chafing. Wanna fuck?"

    Who recommends coke to help your sex life? What is this, 1988? My guy, no one needs that much sex. If you do, and you use coke to help you, you might have two addictions.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    I think if I busted a nut 9 times a day, I would just simply just vanish.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Weird how it seems like it's all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don't always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, and male birth control doesn't solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's not a great option for more casual encounters or early in relationships, but for established couples that already have children and don't want more or are in a committed, trusting relationship, male birth control opens the possibility for the male partner to ease the burden of birth control effort and side effects.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    And it's their choice to pick that option and it's not my place to remove that option because I'm done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm absolutely not advocating for removing that option. However, increasing the options for male birth control is necessary for a wide variety of reasons, including allowing male partners to take the burden off of their female partner if she isn't able to tolerate the side effects or can't find a birth control method that actually works well for her. It is, in effect, another birth control option for women to be able to defer some responsibility to a male partner in a committed relationship.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I just checked and yeah, your comment didn't say anything about birth control options for men and only talked about the negative effects of the pill.

    So you see why one would think that you were trying to say that the birth control pill is a bad thing and that we should remove it.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Genghis Khan has entered the chat

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    So in this imaginary never ending orgy it would still make sense for the women to take the pill because if 99% of the men do the other 1% will somehow make every single women pregnant.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Always have been. Down to hivemind downvoting in several places here.

    Lemmy was advertised as reddit alternative, so it's exactly what we asked for. I came here during that wave too. So yeah, I'm part of the problem.

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