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[–] 196 points 1 year ago (56 children)

This. He said the good thing.. I don't like the click bait.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago*

    Eh, not really. This is not an admission of support. Here's why.

    I've seen firsthand what it looks like when these creeps invade tolerant spaces. We're talking clubs packed full of goths, punks, metal-heads, very gay people, and the occasional furry. First, it's just one or two. Then their friends show up. You may not even realize it until it's too late. And there they are, happily mixing it up with everyone else. Their bigotry is usually only evident when put to the test, and there aren't a lot of situations where that's called for. But provoke their sense of 'correct' social hierarchy and things get bad, fast. Then the bouncers get called in to handle the really stupid/violent ones.

    And that's where the problem lies with this statement. Nazis have zero issues standing side-by-side with the people they hate. Just as long as they know they can seize control or maintain the upper-hand whenever they want, is enough. In this situation, we have someone running for public office, versus someone who's just a voter. They'd be holding all the power in this situation, and didn't admit to lending that power to a trans person in any way; something that would divorce him from Nazis support. So, the assertion of "stand by your side" isn't even worth the electricity it took to get it to our screens.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump's made a million "good thing" promises.

    This dude is obviously prone to making either bad, and/or - at the very least - poorly-informed choices. Not the qualities of a good leader.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You think all your decisions over the last decade and a half were perfect?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I don't know a single person who accidentally got a nazi tattoo or made a whoopsie by going to Iraq for three tours then enjoying killing so much he signed up to do it for profit. I agree people change but that doesn't mean they should be trusted as a senator. There is still time for a better choice.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    enjoying killing so much he signed up to do it for profit

    Your point would be stronger without lying about a job as personal security.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    What do you mean? He worked for Constellis, formerly Blackwater, a private mercenary company, in Afghanistan. This company changed it's branding partly because of bad publicity from civilian massacres committed by it's soldiers.

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  • [+] -62 points 1 year ago (49 children)

    He answered it in a way that did not commit to “standing up for”

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    He said “yes” to a yes or no question, then expanded on the answer. Not sure why you’d think that.

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  • [+] 21 points 1 year ago* (11 children)
  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    No they rightfully see Nazi symbology and go "Nazi?".

    You're the performative outrage section it seems.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    The tattoo dates to roughly 2009, IIRC. The Daily Wire and a few other far-right shitrags have published hysterical pieces about him--via his Reddit account--talking about training the Maine chapter of the Socialist Rifle Club in firearms use and safety in 2020. Or, as they said, "antifa". And the SRA IS notably anti-fascist in their ideology (I'm sure that some percentage of them are tankies, but the org as a whole doesn't seem to be authoritarian), and very pro-LGBTQ+. The turned up photos of one of the events that these publications are saying he's in. (I can't tell, TBH; the photos aren't that good. He could be, but I can't say for certain.)

    So the problem you run headlong into here is, if he secretly has/had Nazi beliefs at one time, sufficient to get a tattoo signifying such, why would be be training SRA members?

    In addition to that, everything he was posting on Reddit appears to say he's not a Nazi. Some of the stuff is questionable (slurs, for instance, although those are probably still commonly used in the military), but most people that are fascists don't hide that shit when they're posting "anonymously". And the account was deleted in 2021, four years before he declared for a Senate run. If he was planning a con, that's a looooooooong time to be building an anti-fascist online persona before it gets any kind of payoff.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I don't care when the tattoo is from, even he admits it's Nazi symbology he just says he didn't know it at the time. The rest of that is irrelevant to being suspicious of a dude with a Nazi tattoo in the same way I would be suspicious of a dude with a tattoo involving the numbers 14 and 88. Could it be innocent? Sure dude, is it "performative outrage" to question the dude because of it? Absolutely not, it would be fucking irresponsible not to.

    People do contradictory shit all the time especially if it helps their end goal whatever that may be in the long run. I don't really know one way or the other but I know I'd prefer a candidate with similar professed beliefs without a next tattoo.

    What you feel to see here is that I didn't say anything about his stances or beliefs. What you're left with is it reasonable to be wary of dudes with Nazi tattoos? Id say yeah, and I'd question anyone that didn't say the same.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You know that he covered up the tattoo within a day of revealing it, right? And that he was the one that revealed it first? The 'scoop' from large news outlets came after he spoke about it--and released videos and photos--on Pod Save America.

    So he's not a dude with a Nazi tattoo. He's a dude that had a tattoo that he may or may not have known was a Nazi tattoo at some time in the past.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago*

    And after like 13 years of having it, seems late to me.

    No he's a dude with a covered Nazi tattoo he had for over a decade with knowledge it was a Nazi tattoo. No, he knew he admitted that much already, stop making argument even he won't make.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also, if you're planning such a long con to pretend to be antifascist, surely covering up your Nazi tattoo would be first thing on the list. The fact that he didn't, despite his history of opposing fascism, tells me that he honestly didn't know.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    TBH, I'm not sure I would have recognized that as a Nazi symbol prior to a group of people I knew arguing about Death In June. Some were arguing that the band was fine, some were arguing that the band was pro-fash. The second group was using the band's iconography--including a totenkopf--as part of their evidence. The first group was claiming that it was satirical. (FWIW, Death In June had a long history of collaboration with Boyd Rice, who is an out-and-proud fascist, which is pretty strong evidence all on its own.) That was around 2010 or so.

    If I hadn't been part of that, I can't say when it would have broken my threshold of consciousness.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah because public Nazis exist certainly closeted Nazis don't exist anymore, right? I said you're being performative because questioning someone with a Nazi tattoo is definitely reasonable and logical. Their belief or disbelief of his story is their issue and wholely detached from the reasonably of questioning the tattoo in general.

    You'll notice I didn't offer my actual opinion on him, you're the one trying to purity test people based on a reasonable question of a public figure running for office.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    You can't argue with stupid.

    It's a fucking totenkopf the size of a grapefruit right over his heart.

    He waited until the last minute to reveal it and cover it up.

    He got the Totenkopf in Croatia; a known far right-wing supporting country.

    He was a fucking Blackwater merc.

    Stop electing people who serve billionaire masters.

    Even if he is who he says he is, maybe he should sit this one out because his judgment is obviously not sound.

    I'm all for him leading the way in the Civil War though.

    Good luck, Maine.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    Can you expand on why you believe this?

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    "Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I'm happy to stand by your side," he added.

    When it comes to politics, if they do not say exactly the words, they mean something entirely different.

    What he actually said:

    Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.

    Why are we knocking on doors? That is never specified. For animal rights? Has he ever knocked on a door in favor of trans rights? Does his (elected) job include knocking on doors for trans rights?

    He did not say, “I will stand up for,” or “I would vote in favor of,” Trans rights.

    I know this guy is campaigning that he’s not a politician… Just a regular guy… But every regular guy who has ever gone into politics does the same stuff.

    Also, he has a Nazi tattoo on his chest… And sure let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it, but that raises some flags as to his commitment to trans rights when he gives an answer that is dancing around.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    A two day old account with 50+ comments doing nothing but stirring up shit about how no one meets your purity test and accusing everyone in this thread of being from ML for not thinking "yes, I will stand with you" (coming from a marine) is an inadequate answer to the question "will you stand with me?".

    Maybe you are here in good faith, but it sure as hell doesn't seem like it.

    Do better.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Ahh read between lines and assume what they mean to confirm the negative view you already have. Very healthy and not the standard MO of conspiracy theorists.

    It's fine for you to be concerned that it means what you say, but you are emphatically stating that your assumption is the truth. Even if you're right, your methodology is flawed.

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  • [+] -33 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    You sound like a republican or, like a person who wants right wing people to gain power within the United States. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that you are an ML, and your only desire is to see the United States crushed. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to push the idea that recognizing hypocrisy in government officials is “crazy”

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Haha, not at all. You can review my comments if you want. I'm a person who is interested in having proof and facts instead of assumptions. I am of course worried about fake progressives and people like Fetterman, but deciding the conclusion and molding to facts to match it is exactly how we get people believing in nonsense.

    I listen fairly often to a debunk/analyzing show of Alex Jones called Knowledge Fight. They also sometimes review others. I also listen to Know Rogan, which is a similar show critically analyzing Joe Rogan, as well as several other skeptical podcasts etc. Something they all and I as well agree on is we shouldn't work off of preconceived notions like the subjects of their shows do, but instead make sure our assertions are backed up with evidence and truth. As I said, you have every right to be worried; that isn't my criticism.

    However, if you just do the same thing the worst right wing influencers do by making a decision and then making any minor difference to how you assume they should respond mean your preconceived notion is correct, how do you convince people that when the ring wing does it, it's wrong, but when you do it, it's right?

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    You sound exactly like an ML trying to crush the United States by dismissing anyone who questions the intention of the politicians that you want elected.

    If you actually were worried about fake politicians like Fetterman, you would be taking this guy a little bit more seriously. There are a lot of red flags around him – and while I’m not saying we should write him off entirely… I’m saying his words matter and you are saying his words do not.

    You’re also quickly accusing me of conspiracy theory which is a telltale sign of your actual intentions. What a joke.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I mean, I'm a black American living in Georgia. Acceleration would mean my death, probably faster than most. To me you sound like exactly what you're accusing me of. I'm not specifically defending this politician, but your accusations are wild and you act like you're certain. While I did compare your statement to the like of conspiracy theory, you're also saying I'm Republican, then militant left. While I can have some things I agree with those further left than I, I stand only to have negative repercussions for being accelerationist, and I do truly wish we can survive without collapse. Whether it can actually happen at this point is a point of doubt, but I'm nowhere to to point of wanting a collapse.

    I've never owned a gun, never fired one, and am rather hesitant to hurt people, even if they're reprehensible. I honestly don't know how I'd survive collapse. It's a self serving position for me to not want collapse, and I also believe people can change. I don't know if this guy has, but I'd rather not make up role for him to hang himself; if he's a problem he should be judged by not imagined faults, but confirmed ones. You still have the right to not choose him, just be careful that you don't let preconceived opinions dictate how you judge everyone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would very strongly suggest that you reconsider your stance on guns. You may not want to hurt other people to protect yourself, but there are surely other people in your community that need someone to stand with and for them. I think we all hope that the day never comes that it's necessary, but I think that the quote I heard was, "si vis pacem, para bellum."

    I know a few people in the north Georgia area that are quite welcoming to new people. I can suggest at least one trainer out in Rome. There are a few gun stores that don't seem to be full of Trump shit. Unfortunately, I didn't ever get south of Atlanta, so if you're in e.g. Macon or Savannah, I don't know anyone directly.

    BTW - I've heard him speak in person. I've seen how Platner dealt with MAGA hecklers. I think that his solutions are simplistic, because the system is wildly complex, but I think he's got the right ideas. If he's undercover as a Nazi, he sure as shit as me fooled.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Ah, I'm not arguing against having a gun as a progressive or anything, but part of me doesn't trust me with a gun. I probably won't have an issue, but I play with stuff a little too much. I have stabbed myself and slashed myself with knives. Not in a suicidal way; in both cases it was curiosity but I made sure to use somewhere safe (slash was not near any major veins or vessels and was light, stab was less intentional and was testing a safety function of the knife but went in a small bit on my leg).

    I feel like I'll be careful enough, but 5% of me worries I'll play with the gun inappropriately somehow. My current roommate(one of my sisters) is also uncomfortable with guns, so that somewhat affects my decision too.

    That said, I'm in agreement with a lot of what you said, and I've been moving more to the side of maybe I should. As for where I am, I'm in Decatur, fairly close to ATL, and quite a few of my friends do have guns so I do have people I can talk to about practice.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I’m going to stop with I’m A black America living in Georgia.

    Prove it, goodbye.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No one believes my lived experiences either and "prove it" isn't you're prerogative. They did, but seriously, this is a trash demand.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh look another ML. You guys love to swarm

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And you really like to lump everyone together so you can stereotype them and blanket dismiss them to avoid and ignore any actual productive engagement.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No, Maeve is an ML. And having a productive engagement is not actually possible with an ML. There is a very scripted playbook

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If you take part of the guys statement and ignore the rest of it, and fixate on him not using the precise words "stand up", I guess I can understand what you are getting at. But in context, he seems to be expressing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If I focus on what he actually said, and not what you want me to think he means… l o l

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What he actually said:

    Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.*

    LOL. You can't claim to focus on what he actually said when you're responding to an edited version of his answer designed to confirm your preconceived notions.

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    I can safely say I have not watched a YouTube streamer in my life.

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with all of this, but I’m just commenting on his quote and how he did not Answer the question. The fact that you’re getting angry about this curious.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A person who supports the right wing would say “Nazi drum beating is reactionary”

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is he former Service? "Stand beside" means a lot more to him than to you.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Lick the boot and elevate war criminal Nazis just because they say "I'm progressive now"

    He still brags about how much he loved killing Iraqis, but Iraqis are not American so it's perfectly okay, he got a Nazi skull tattoo to commemorate his good time killing brown people, but he's saying all the right things at an event where he's portraying a progressive, makes your knees weak.

    Nazi war criminals being elevated by liberals is par for the course, unfortunately. He wants to have the most lethal military too, but he's smart enough to not use those words, he just thinks we owe him a lifetime of gratitude (his words, on his website) for the war crimes he says he regrets being a part of, and he wants to fund the military and support veterans despite stating his disagreement with what the military is doing.

    In his own words in 2020: "Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience."

    https://search.pullpush.io/?author=p-hustle&subreddit=usmc&type=comment&q=kill&sort_type=created_utc&sort=desc&before=1578009600&after=1577836800

    Lick them Nazi boots

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Platner, a Marine veteran and oyster farmer who launched his Democratic primary campaign in August in hopes of ultimately challenging Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) for her seat in 2026, answered that he firmly believes "that every single American has the right to live the life they want to live in their own body as they see fit," and emphasized what he views as his "responsibility" as a straight, white, cisgender male, to defend the rights of LGBTQ+ people.

    "I get to put myself out there in ways that other people don’t," said Platner. "I'm doing this because I know that I can say things, I know that I can have conversations, I know that I can knock on doors in places that a lot of other people can't have access to, that a lot of other people won't feel safe in."

    "Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I'm happy to stand by your side," he added.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Wow, people are really pulling the last bit out of context and assuming the worst implications. His "stand by you" and "knocking on doors" thing is him acknowledging his white male privilege to feel safe doing things like going door to door in most neighborhoods, and being happy to extend that safety to others by standing beside them while they do it.

    I get the concern about having a Nazi tattoo for over a decade, and concern that everything he is doing is performative based on his past. But what he said was pretty unequivically that he will support LGBTQ+ people, including in action. Whether anyone believes him or not is up to them. But what he said was not mealy-mouthed, it was direct.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Shit, that’s a breath of fresh air!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He keeps saying all the right things.

    Hopefully he isn't a lying Nazi

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People change.

    2016 me would have you think that 2025 me would be the goose stepping leader of the Trump fan club but instead I moved to a liberal city, came out of the closet and have been living a genuine and happy life.

    I now despise trump and have come to embrace democratic socialism.

    That radical change was directly related to my liberal friends being willing to talk with me and welcome me into their spaces despite our differences.

    If we can't accept that people are capable of change then we're defaulted into a perpetual conflict where physical violence becomes inevitable.

    If things can't be worked out with words people will result to hands. Those are ultimately the only two tools people have to deal with each other.

    Accepting that people can change allows people feel like they have a space to change to. If I didn't have my friends to welcome me into their liberal space I never would have changed because the social pressure to stay conservative and for fear of being alone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, hopefully.

    There’s a really strong argument to be made that regardless of personal beliefs, seeking that kind of power is inherently untrustworthy. But until we have a national legislature draft we have to rely on the evidence we have that people are going to do good things in office.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    The purity test mentality so many of the commenters here have is the exact kind of nonsense that will keep the US divided politically. People are capable of making honest mistakes. People can change. There needs to be room for some gray areas. I generally think such a mindset reeks of being chronically online and being immersed into an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I don’t know much about the candidate other than a few recent headlines but I admire the ability of a person to change their mind. This is especially true for someone in politics. Idk if he is a dickhead or if he really changed, but its good to own up to our mistakes.

    A few years ago I remember seeing folks online who were ranting about Elizabeth Warren having been a republican so I looked it up. After watching her speak on the matter I sort of turned into a big Warren supporter, because she was able to admit she was wrong after seeming the data. That’s what I want in a representative. I don’t want someone who ignore data or twist it into something else.

    I want someone who says “oh shit. Let’s fix this.”

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    You people keep saying "purity test" because you don't want to say "I'm fine if my Senator has Nazi tattoos". Own it, bud. Make your case why you want the Senator with the Nazi tattoo. Say it with your full chest.

    Yeah, my friend, we all agree that people are capable of honest mistakes. Some of us just don't vote for a Senator unless they at least waited a couple years after getting rid of all their Nazi tattoos. It's not a high bar.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    I am not a Mainer but I've donated to Platner's campaign because I believe we need voices like his. Susan Collins and Janet Mills are two sides of the same coin, in the same way that all the old 'establishment' Democrats are similar to their 'moderate' Republican counterparts

    Graham Platner is the right choice amongst the candidates in this race.

    We need to elect candidates like Kat Abu and Abigail Spanberger and Zach Dembo and Darren McAuly and Maura Sullivan and Maggie Goodlander and Deb Halland and many other good, earnest, qualified candidates.

    None of them are perfect candidates. None of them are perfect people.

    But they are better, and we have to hope we can all get better, be better and do better together over time.

    (disclaimer: unfortunately my real opinion is that we're actually totally fucking cooked as a country, and there's a solid chance that authoritarian fascism will be with us for a while


    longer than my lifetime. I will continue to participate in the ways I'm capable and willing, but it's probably futile)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I grew up in Maine. I have lots of family and friends there. I no longer live there and don't vote there, however, I also donated to his campaign and have been openly promoting him as a candidate because I believe he is who the people of Maine, and the country, need.

    Also, there's a reason he remains popular in Maine. He is talking to EVERYONE in Maine, in person, on the ground. That's the exact behavior that will attract people to him and bring in the Trump voters who can have their minds changed. Mainers don't care if you made mistakes in your past, so long as you own up to it. They care about who you are now and what you say now. That's why Platner is popular. He tells it like it is, and that's the no-nonsense personality that attracts people in Maine, a state with a significant amount of people who are working class and don't have time to beat around the bush. Campaigns aren't run online, and nothing anyone says online is likely to sway people who simply don't care because they're not chronically online.

    It's important that we can accept a candidate's flaws and past mistakes and move on from it. Our political system suffers so much from these purity tests and smear campaigns.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yet, you still say "he's not perfect". You're an asshole.

    He HAS A FUCKING TOTENKOPF on his chest. You want people to vote for SOMEONE WITH A NAZI TATTOO.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    IT'S FUCKING COVERED UP. Stop reading one headline and thinking you know everything. Stories evolve. Keep the fuck up if you want an opinion on it

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    That's a really terrible take. Platner also doesn't want Nazi tattoos, and doesn't have one anymore, because he covered it up when it was pointed out to him that it was a Nazi symbol.

    But what Platner's supporters do want, is someone who will stand up against injustice, and everything I know about him is that he's someone who does exactly that.

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    I think both things can be true in this case. People can admit that accidental Nazi tattoos should be disquailifying in a sane world, but also recognize that we are not currently in a sane world and that a person that got accidental Nazi tattoos is making a lot of sense in the current circumstances.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That second point seems to be forgotten when we talk about aspiring progressives. Fellas, a Reddit incel who called himself "Kekius Maximus" pulled a coup d'état with DC police in lock-step, then got pushed out of his leadership because of a scuffle with openly Nazi Stephen Miller. You know how this happened? Because the formerly far less popular Right-wing declared "No Enemies to the Right" and grabbed people with outreach that blatantly contradicts other members. Evangelicals and Incels. Kirk and Fuentes. Homophobes and #WalkAway Gay Republicans. Caitlyn Jenner endorsing Transphobes. Doctors backing RFK, Phil, Oz... We had Nazi Furries called "Burned Furs" (iirc) while school board hijackers whined about "unisex furry litterboxes".

    I don't care about anything but policy at this point. I don't care if the man had a tattoo of Hitler sucking a penis. He got it covered up, and has years of posts about Socialism and calling out others for being racist. A Congressman could be fucking a waifu dakimakura bodypillow during their debate and I'd still rally if he'd get the homeless and poor fed and housed. We're too worried about seeming weird or "politically incorrect" in a world where the policy and decorum is merely an illusion.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's still a year before the primary. This is ridiculous. You don't believe there is a single progressive person in Maine without any tattoos of Hitler sucking a penis?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think that you're onto something with the dumbass White Guy™ thing here, and while it's pretty reductive and I do believe that people can (and often do) grow and change (for better or worse) over the course of their lived experiences.

    So, perhaps today he is still a dumbass. I know that I am in some ways. We're all dumbasses in our way and it's the people who believe that they (or anyone) are infallible that are the true idiots.

    Maine could do a LOT worse than the dumbass lefty-leaning former Marine that you describe. Maine is composed of roughly 92.82% dumbass White Guy™ (and gals)

    So yeah, maybe someone better will rise up. Or maybe, this guy, who just recently pointed out on his own, in an extemporous exchange at a town hall, that he has a lot of privilege based on his cis-white-maleness and personal experiences, is a good fit for Maine.

    We will see.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I actually will say it with my chest that I'd prefer a senator who is a social progressive, anti-billionare, who doesn't take super PAC money, doesn't take AIPAC money, loudly professes there is a genocide in Gaza, wants to improve US foreign policy, is actually working class, runs a grassroots campaign, and wants to improve the cost of living and affordability for Mainers and the rest of Americans. And yes, if he made a mistake and got a Nazi tattoo (Which he has fully owned up to and has since covered up) I would still prefer him.

    If you think this is some sort of "gotcha" that somehow indicates something poor about my character, or that somehow I'm admitting that Platner is a Nazi, which he's not, then there's nothing more I have to say to you. You are wrongfully attempting to jump to an assumption of something that just isn't true and lacks evidence. You're providing further evidence to my point that your purity test mindset is keeping people divided.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You're so quick to call marginalized people "divisive" for having standards. Why is it freedom of speech for rich white guys to get Nazi memorabilia on their chest, but when PoC push back then the conversation is suddenly about ”civility"?

    No, I don't think Platner is a Nazi. I think he's fine with having Nazi imagery on his chest for 20 years. It's a boldfaced, unbelievable lie that a military history buff didn't know what a Totenkopf was.

    Yes, it does demonstrate poor character to be fine with Nazi iconography. Your reticence to admit such was an attempt to be moral, but if you'd rather abandon any principles you might have had for this guy, you are correct that we don't have anything to talk about.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Eh, having read some of the reddit posts from the old account etc, if I were in that area voting, I'd likely give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially compared to alternatives. There were quite a few posts that seemed like he genuinely thought the symbols extended beyond 'just' Nazism, often arguing in his posts that it was common to see that sort of imagery on ppl in the military.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Let's be honest here. How many people would have recognized that image as a Nazi symbol before thos became news? I wouldn't have, skull tatoos are common. News articles had to tell is it was and show pictures of and explain what it had been some 80 years ago. Maybe he knew it was a Nazi symbol, but I kinda doubt it given his political statements and the fact that any smart person running for office in Maine wouldn't have got it removed long before.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How many people would have recognized that image as a Nazi symbol before thos became news? I wouldn’t have, skull tatoos are common.

    That just makes a stronger case against him. It is what it is--a nazi symbol used by the nazis. Not being familiar with it just means you're an average person who hasn't learned about all their symbols beyond the infamous swastika. The main people who are most likely to recognize it are either people who are into WWII history or people who are into nazi shit. Among those two groups of people, someone who would actually tattoo it over their heart are in the latter, not the former group, certainly not the average person. He has (finally) admitted he knew what it was.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I know quite a bit about WW2 history, and even I wouldn't immediately recognise it as the SS skull. It's not a Swastika, it's not the SS symbol, it's not even an iron cross.

    The fact that he didn't remove it when he prepared to run, but only removed in, and did so immediately, after it was pointed out, shows that he didn't know. And he immediately distanced himself once he did know. I don't know what more you can expect.

    Ultimately, though, the only thing that matters are his actions. The fact that he stands up to fascists, calls out bigotry and stands up for marginalized groups, tells you much more about him than any tattoo ever will.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Bullshit. A group of drunk Marines in a tattoo shop on shore leave is EXACTLY the sort of idiots that would point a a fat-looking pirate skull-crossbones on a sketchy tattoo shop wall and all get tattooed together.

    This and eating the red crayons are a core activity for ignorant young devil-dogs.

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    Even if it wasn't a nazi tatoo; According to his words "He got a tattoo of a skull to memorialize his slaughtering of people in Ramadii and Falujah". Then hiis comments which dated as late as 2021 where he said about his war that "we would kill them all because our ways of life is superior."

    BadEmpanda summerized it so well. What is your response to his arguments in this video?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE

    Enough sucking the dick of a moraless supramacist psychopathic war criminal just because he learned to lie to get votes and promised you better healthcare.

    Fuck off with that reformed nonesense. Just admit you're a supramacist just like Nick Furete who says he would invade Venzula because it will benefit the US ecomony from their oil. Just like Israeli Zionist Jewish supermacists justifying maiming, blinding, and slaughtering of Palestinians because the Jews in their country gives them free lands and prevliages no one gets in any other where in the world.

    Listen to the arguments in that video and see the evidence, then tell me how you are any different different.

    Or admit it and say it loud you're a moraless supramacist like Nick Furete, and at least I'd have more respect for you.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But that means he's not a smart person. That, along with the fact he is obviously prone to making poorly-informed decisions would give me serious pause about voting for him. Those are not the qualities of a good leader.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then don’t vote for him when the primary rolls around if you live in the state. Elections are a mechanism for finding out if his faults are acceptable to local constituency he would represent. People are acting like he’s a set in stone candidate and this is some moral crisis for the party.

    The primary is in June of 2026. The “democratic establishment” and every opinion column ragebait columnist should just cool it. Let the voters decide in 8 months if they buy his apology and whatever else he does between now and then.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can I just say how insane it is that the primary campaign starts this far in advance? There are countries that run an entire election with all its phases, campaigns and preparations in this time.

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