
This. He said the good thing.. I don't like the click bait.

This. He said the good thing.. I don't like the click bait.
Platner, a Marine veteran and oyster farmer who launched his Democratic primary campaign in August in hopes of ultimately challenging Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) for her seat in 2026, answered that he firmly believes "that every single American has the right to live the life they want to live in their own body as they see fit," and emphasized what he views as his "responsibility" as a straight, white, cisgender male, to defend the rights of LGBTQ+ people.
"I get to put myself out there in ways that other people don’t," said Platner. "I'm doing this because I know that I can say things, I know that I can have conversations, I know that I can knock on doors in places that a lot of other people can't have access to, that a lot of other people won't feel safe in."
"Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I'm happy to stand by your side," he added.
Wow, people are really pulling the last bit out of context and assuming the worst implications. His "stand by you" and "knocking on doors" thing is him acknowledging his white male privilege to feel safe doing things like going door to door in most neighborhoods, and being happy to extend that safety to others by standing beside them while they do it.
I get the concern about having a Nazi tattoo for over a decade, and concern that everything he is doing is performative based on his past. But what he said was pretty unequivically that he will support LGBTQ+ people, including in action. Whether anyone believes him or not is up to them. But what he said was not mealy-mouthed, it was direct.
Seems he is going fairly hard in the mortally correct direction, there.
He keeps saying all the right things.
Hopefully he isn't a lying Nazi
People change.
2016 me would have you think that 2025 me would be the goose stepping leader of the Trump fan club but instead I moved to a liberal city, came out of the closet and have been living a genuine and happy life.
I now despise trump and have come to embrace democratic socialism.
That radical change was directly related to my liberal friends being willing to talk with me and welcome me into their spaces despite our differences.
If we can't accept that people are capable of change then we're defaulted into a perpetual conflict where physical violence becomes inevitable.
If things can't be worked out with words people will result to hands. Those are ultimately the only two tools people have to deal with each other.
Accepting that people can change allows people feel like they have a space to change to. If I didn't have my friends to welcome me into their liberal space I never would have changed because the social pressure to stay conservative and for fear of being alone.
Yeah, hopefully.
There’s a really strong argument to be made that regardless of personal beliefs, seeking that kind of power is inherently untrustworthy. But until we have a national legislature draft we have to rely on the evidence we have that people are going to do good things in office.
The purity test mentality so many of the commenters here have is the exact kind of nonsense that will keep the US divided politically. People are capable of making honest mistakes. People can change. There needs to be room for some gray areas. I generally think such a mindset reeks of being chronically online and being immersed into an echo chamber.
I don’t know much about the candidate other than a few recent headlines but I admire the ability of a person to change their mind. This is especially true for someone in politics. Idk if he is a dickhead or if he really changed, but its good to own up to our mistakes.
A few years ago I remember seeing folks online who were ranting about Elizabeth Warren having been a republican so I looked it up. After watching her speak on the matter I sort of turned into a big Warren supporter, because she was able to admit she was wrong after seeming the data. That’s what I want in a representative. I don’t want someone who ignore data or twist it into something else.
I want someone who says “oh shit. Let’s fix this.”
You people keep saying "purity test" because you don't want to say "I'm fine if my Senator has Nazi tattoos". Own it, bud. Make your case why you want the Senator with the Nazi tattoo. Say it with your full chest.
Yeah, my friend, we all agree that people are capable of honest mistakes. Some of us just don't vote for a Senator unless they at least waited a couple years after getting rid of all their Nazi tattoos. It's not a high bar.
I am not a Mainer but I've donated to Platner's campaign because I believe we need voices like his. Susan Collins and Janet Mills are two sides of the same coin, in the same way that all the old 'establishment' Democrats are similar to their 'moderate' Republican counterparts
Graham Platner is the right choice amongst the candidates in this race.
We need to elect candidates like Kat Abu and Abigail Spanberger and Zach Dembo and Darren McAuly and Maura Sullivan and Maggie Goodlander and Deb Halland and many other good, earnest, qualified candidates.
None of them are perfect candidates. None of them are perfect people.
But they are better, and we have to hope we can all get better, be better and do better together over time.
(disclaimer: unfortunately my real opinion is that we're actually totally fucking cooked as a country, and there's a solid chance that authoritarian fascism will be with us for a while
longer than my lifetime. I will continue to participate in the ways I'm capable and willing, but it's probably futile)
I grew up in Maine. I have lots of family and friends there. I no longer live there and don't vote there, however, I also donated to his campaign and have been openly promoting him as a candidate because I believe he is who the people of Maine, and the country, need.
Also, there's a reason he remains popular in Maine. He is talking to EVERYONE in Maine, in person, on the ground. That's the exact behavior that will attract people to him and bring in the Trump voters who can have their minds changed. Mainers don't care if you made mistakes in your past, so long as you own up to it. They care about who you are now and what you say now. That's why Platner is popular. He tells it like it is, and that's the no-nonsense personality that attracts people in Maine, a state with a significant amount of people who are working class and don't have time to beat around the bush. Campaigns aren't run online, and nothing anyone says online is likely to sway people who simply don't care because they're not chronically online.
It's important that we can accept a candidate's flaws and past mistakes and move on from it. Our political system suffers so much from these purity tests and smear campaigns.
Love this response. I fully agree... (even with your last point, which has been looming in the back of my mind even as I rally for these promising candidates... if only this we had this two years ago... if only.)
Yet, you still say "he's not perfect". You're an asshole.
He HAS A FUCKING TOTENKOPF on his chest. You want people to vote for SOMEONE WITH A NAZI TATTOO.
IT'S FUCKING COVERED UP. Stop reading one headline and thinking you know everything. Stories evolve. Keep the fuck up if you want an opinion on it
That's a really terrible take. Platner also doesn't want Nazi tattoos, and doesn't have one anymore, because he covered it up when it was pointed out to him that it was a Nazi symbol.
But what Platner's supporters do want, is someone who will stand up against injustice, and everything I know about him is that he's someone who does exactly that.
I think both things can be true in this case. People can admit that accidental Nazi tattoos should be disquailifying in a sane world, but also recognize that we are not currently in a sane world and that a person that got accidental Nazi tattoos is making a lot of sense in the current circumstances.
That second point seems to be forgotten when we talk about aspiring progressives. Fellas, a Reddit incel who called himself "Kekius Maximus" pulled a coup d'état with DC police in lock-step, then got pushed out of his leadership because of a scuffle with openly Nazi Stephen Miller. You know how this happened? Because the formerly far less popular Right-wing declared "No Enemies to the Right" and grabbed people with outreach that blatantly contradicts other members. Evangelicals and Incels. Kirk and Fuentes. Homophobes and #WalkAway Gay Republicans. Caitlyn Jenner endorsing Transphobes. Doctors backing RFK, Phil, Oz... We had Nazi Furries called "Burned Furs" (iirc) while school board hijackers whined about "unisex furry litterboxes".
I don't care about anything but policy at this point. I don't care if the man had a tattoo of Hitler sucking a penis. He got it covered up, and has years of posts about Socialism and calling out others for being racist. A Congressman could be fucking a waifu dakimakura bodypillow during their debate and I'd still rally if he'd get the homeless and poor fed and housed. We're too worried about seeming weird or "politically incorrect" in a world where the policy and decorum is merely an illusion.
There's still a year before the primary. This is ridiculous. You don't believe there is a single progressive person in Maine without any tattoos of Hitler sucking a penis?
Are they in this race? Are they loudly standing up for justice?
Go find that better candidate first before you hand this seat to a Republican.
I think that you're onto something with the dumbass White Guy™ thing here, and while it's pretty reductive and I do believe that people can (and often do) grow and change (for better or worse) over the course of their lived experiences.
So, perhaps today he is still a dumbass. I know that I am in some ways. We're all dumbasses in our way and it's the people who believe that they (or anyone) are infallible that are the true idiots.
Maine could do a LOT worse than the dumbass lefty-leaning former Marine that you describe. Maine is composed of roughly 92.82% dumbass White Guy™ (and gals)
So yeah, maybe someone better will rise up. Or maybe, this guy, who just recently pointed out on his own, in an extemporous exchange at a town hall, that he has a lot of privilege based on his cis-white-maleness and personal experiences, is a good fit for Maine.
We will see.
Fascists lie. You really want to elect another Fetterman or Sinema?
When someone tells you who they are by keeping a Nazi Tattoo on their chest for 20 years, believe them.
I actually will say it with my chest that I'd prefer a senator who is a social progressive, anti-billionare, who doesn't take super PAC money, doesn't take AIPAC money, loudly professes there is a genocide in Gaza, wants to improve US foreign policy, is actually working class, runs a grassroots campaign, and wants to improve the cost of living and affordability for Mainers and the rest of Americans. And yes, if he made a mistake and got a Nazi tattoo (Which he has fully owned up to and has since covered up) I would still prefer him.
If you think this is some sort of "gotcha" that somehow indicates something poor about my character, or that somehow I'm admitting that Platner is a Nazi, which he's not, then there's nothing more I have to say to you. You are wrongfully attempting to jump to an assumption of something that just isn't true and lacks evidence. You're providing further evidence to my point that your purity test mindset is keeping people divided.
You're so quick to call marginalized people "divisive" for having standards. Why is it freedom of speech for rich white guys to get Nazi memorabilia on their chest, but when PoC push back then the conversation is suddenly about ”civility"?
No, I don't think Platner is a Nazi. I think he's fine with having Nazi imagery on his chest for 20 years. It's a boldfaced, unbelievable lie that a military history buff didn't know what a Totenkopf was.
Yes, it does demonstrate poor character to be fine with Nazi iconography. Your reticence to admit such was an attempt to be moral, but if you'd rather abandon any principles you might have had for this guy, you are correct that we don't have anything to talk about.
Eh, having read some of the reddit posts from the old account etc, if I were in that area voting, I'd likely give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially compared to alternatives. There were quite a few posts that seemed like he genuinely thought the symbols extended beyond 'just' Nazism, often arguing in his posts that it was common to see that sort of imagery on ppl in the military.
Let's be honest here. How many people would have recognized that image as a Nazi symbol before thos became news? I wouldn't have, skull tatoos are common. News articles had to tell is it was and show pictures of and explain what it had been some 80 years ago. Maybe he knew it was a Nazi symbol, but I kinda doubt it given his political statements and the fact that any smart person running for office in Maine wouldn't have got it removed long before.
How many people would have recognized that image as a Nazi symbol before thos became news? I wouldn’t have, skull tatoos are common.
That just makes a stronger case against him. It is what it is--a nazi symbol used by the nazis. Not being familiar with it just means you're an average person who hasn't learned about all their symbols beyond the infamous swastika. The main people who are most likely to recognize it are either people who are into WWII history or people who are into nazi shit. Among those two groups of people, someone who would actually tattoo it over their heart are in the latter, not the former group, certainly not the average person. He has (finally) admitted he knew what it was.
I know quite a bit about WW2 history, and even I wouldn't immediately recognise it as the SS skull. It's not a Swastika, it's not the SS symbol, it's not even an iron cross.
The fact that he didn't remove it when he prepared to run, but only removed in, and did so immediately, after it was pointed out, shows that he didn't know. And he immediately distanced himself once he did know. I don't know what more you can expect.
Ultimately, though, the only thing that matters are his actions. The fact that he stands up to fascists, calls out bigotry and stands up for marginalized groups, tells you much more about him than any tattoo ever will.
Bullshit. A group of drunk Marines in a tattoo shop on shore leave is EXACTLY the sort of idiots that would point a a fat-looking pirate skull-crossbones on a sketchy tattoo shop wall and all get tattooed together.
This and eating the red crayons are a core activity for ignorant young devil-dogs.
Even if it wasn't a nazi tatoo; According to his words "He got a tattoo of a skull to memorialize his slaughtering of people in Ramadii and Falujah". Then hiis comments which dated as late as 2021 where he said about his war that "we would kill them all because our ways of life is superior."
BadEmpanda summerized it so well. What is your response to his arguments in this video?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JZc5Mbix3VE
Enough sucking the dick of a moraless supramacist psychopathic war criminal just because he learned to lie to get votes and promised you better healthcare.
Fuck off with that reformed nonesense. Just admit you're a supramacist just like Nick Furete who says he would invade Venzula because it will benefit the US ecomony from their oil. Just like Israeli Zionist Jewish supermacists justifying maiming, blinding, and slaughtering of Palestinians because the Jews in their country gives them free lands and prevliages no one gets in any other where in the world.
Listen to the arguments in that video and see the evidence, then tell me how you are any different different.
Or admit it and say it loud you're a moraless supramacist like Nick Furete, and at least I'd have more respect for you.
But that means he's not a smart person. That, along with the fact he is obviously prone to making poorly-informed decisions would give me serious pause about voting for him. Those are not the qualities of a good leader.
Smart people don't know everything. Smart people change their mind when confronted with things they are wrong about or don't know enough about.
Then don’t vote for him when the primary rolls around if you live in the state. Elections are a mechanism for finding out if his faults are acceptable to local constituency he would represent. People are acting like he’s a set in stone candidate and this is some moral crisis for the party.
The primary is in June of 2026. The “democratic establishment” and every opinion column ragebait columnist should just cool it. Let the voters decide in 8 months if they buy his apology and whatever else he does between now and then.
Can I just say how insane it is that the primary campaign starts this far in advance? There are countries that run an entire election with all its phases, campaigns and preparations in this time.
top 99 comments