Everything after THIS was a mistake.

1985 Nissan 300ZX
Everything after THIS was a mistake.

1985 Nissan 300ZX
Por que no los dos?

Having auto climate with physical controls is peak. No adjusting dials, your car just gets the internal climate to the temperature you want and that's it.
Absolutely. It's easy to say that new technology ruins things, but all of this was new tech once. You could have just invented the potentiometer and made a control panel with nothing but them and it would be just as awful. It's all about integrating the technology into the experience and designing in a thoughtful way.
I almost agree with this, but I prefer just one more advancement over this: the thermostat kind. I like to just set the temperature so I don't have to keep adjusting it.
Nothing fancy, no touchscreen bs, just simple knobs. I was perfectly happy with the thermostat feature in my old 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT.
My new car is a 2025 model, but it's an Indian made Japanese Kei car so the interior is super basic. and it has large, infinitely spinning knobs for temperature and fan strength, and a digital temperature readout. I really like them.
When the temp was cold in the morning but now it's hot, I spin those dials like wheel of fortune to the left and immediately set the AC to cold and fast. No repeated button presses.
The only downside is that it doesn't have one of those knobs for music volume.
Not only do those knobs sound awesome to use, but I could see them being cheaper and more reliable as well.
Instead of being mechanically connected to whatever custom parts to direct air flow, it can just be an off the shelf encoder sending a signal to a processor that already exists.
So long as the vents have analog dials that manipulate how much air is coming out. Otherwise I'd have to be pro left/right temperature difference. When it's 100 degrees out side and someone says the AC is to cold it blows my mind
If there is 100 degrees, your water boils.
Probably means 100 degrees of Freedom° units no C°
He should have said so! He may as well measure distance in bananas or area in stadiums 😂
Celsius is near useless as well, you can't use it for anything without converting it to kelvins first. Both F and C are "because we use it and it's familiar". 100 degrees we should have said your blood is already frozen! Turn the heat on
Celsius is near useless
Found a USian 🤦
“In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.”
Lol, yes, automatic vents are only beginning to get good (and are far from prefect).
For me it's def not something you set only once. Witch is a fail by default.
I want to set my hvac to a temp and let it sort out whether it should heat or cool.
I’d argue split climate for the driver and passenger seat is the only important missing innovation.
That and the ability to set a temperature that is then automatically maintained.
Just point the vents fancyman
I somewhat regularly drive 9+ hours and split controls are not really comparable to just pointing the vents. If I am the driver, I need cool air blowing at me to keep me awake and alert. No longer having to compromise with passengers has been a pretty big improvement for a drive that long.
While I'm eating sushi, snapchatting, and flipping off that jerk that cut me off?? That sounds dangerous.
3 zone a/c is also pretty nice. No more "it's too " whining from the back.
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I think you mean brakes, but funnily enough both work in this context.
This should be mandatory by law. Touch screens should not exist in cars for drivers.

Only missing a night picture with the red LED backlight on
Yes the temp sensor is a worthy addition to the formula. Imagine fiddling with your 80s/90s A/C running on ye olde R-12 to get the temperature right lol.
First gen tundra controls really are excellent. They and used mechanical linkages for the diverter and for the hot/cold control. The only problem is the knobs get loose over time and can break or fall off when you accellerate.
Yours is a decade or two past the true ideal. Not pictured: the 5-inch sliding control that mechanically adjusted between recirculated and exterior air and the drivers and passengers pull-knob by the feet that let exterior air flow in directly. A heavenly touring experience.
Also on the one pictured in your post, I find those lit press to toggle ac and def buttons with indicator lights wore out over time and required a ton of force to switch on the cars I've had with them.
Ironically, my 2018 Subaru is more mechanical than this. 2/3 dials are mechanical, cable-driven flaps / valve for heat and vent control. Only the fan is an electric dial.
Meanwhile in 91:

It's not that I wanna compare high end at the time, it's that this low tech took 20+ years to trickle down to basic equipment for no other reason than extra margins.
But to capture both - automatic climate control & touchscreens - some random 80s Buick:

I've got an old car and it's still like this. I don't look forward to the day I have to get a new car.
Yeah like, all I wish my car had was Bluetooth capabilities but besides that I love my older car.
Swap the radio its pretty easy and only costs like $50. I got an old Japanese import that has Bluetooth that connects to my phone as I enter the car. Its also got USB to play music from and charge from.
Good call, I definitely had the thought but never pulled the trigger on it because I never found a specific replacement that I liked. I’ll have to look into it again when I can afford it!
I was considering upgrading to something with a screen and maybe gps, but couldn’t lock a model down.
We had to buy a new (used 2022) car after we ran out old car into the ground. The touch screen controls temperatures. There wasn't a single variant of the car that didn't have a giant ass touch screen. It makes me really uncomfortable when the screen no longer works.
There's also some other things that piss me off.
But Some of the pros (and why we accepted that trade off):
Either way, fuck cars and if public transportation was better here, id use that.
Except backup cameras. Everything else is bad
Backup cameras are cool but they'll never stay backup cameras. Give manufacturers that screen, and well, if you have it, you've gotta use it
The Sprinter I used to drive for work had a backup proximity alarm that beeped faster as you got closer to walls/cars/etc; it was fantastic. Only downside is I don't know how well it would detect people
Screens aren't the problem, touchscreens are the problem. I have a screen but no touchscreen. Works great.
One time I rented a uhaul van and it had a backup camera that would show up in the rear view mirror. Not the whole thing mirror, but it had a little screen embedded in it.
I disagree. I like that I can set my temperature to an exact number and the car will automatically adjust to that temp. We should have stopped there. No need for touch screens. That’s was the holy grail of temperature control.
I’d add being able to set a different temperature for the driver and passenger. It’s a godsend for relationships.
Some cars even have a separate zone for the rear. However I've only seen that on touch screen models, so they can suck a dick.
I had great fun with it in the back, though. They couldn't see my temp on the touch screen at the front, just that the zones had been split, and I managed to get the two in the front to bicker because the driver thought the front passenger had split them XD
My car has climate control. I set it to 72 degrees once a long time ago and rarely have touched it since.
The fascination with dumb controls in a car is odd to me. It seems like people overshoot the “I want physical controls I can feel my way around without looking” and get into “give me the Flintstones car” lately.
how hard do you want it? how hot do you want it? where do you want it?
Let me play devils advocate…..
One of my cars has the hvac controls on the screen and it’s usually fine, because it is actually smart. I only need to set the temperature and it remembers that.
For example now that it’s getting cold, I almost never need to touch those controls
One of my knobs broke and to this day, I can't work out how to replace it. Where do you even buy them from??? 🙃
Used parts! Junkyards, eBay, whatever. Odds are you'll be able to find a replacement unless the factory knob was super fragile or your vehicle is exceedingly rare.
If your vehicle is vaguely popular it'll probably have a stl (think exported 3D shape) available. In that case I'll print/mail you one assuming you're in the US. If you're not in the US hop over to !3DPrinting@lemmy.world and I'm sure someone will help you out.
Wreckers?
Amazon, parts store, junkyard, find someone to 3D print one for you
It’s true. I hate my touch screen to control airflow in my car. Every time I go to adjust it, it fucks up and I’m distracted while driving.
My honda civic has this perfectly balanced (this is a stock photo): 
I will say as someone who lives in a cold climate, but that typically likes cooler warm air. It would be nice to sometimes be able to set how cold the air is coming out of the vents and not the temperature I want the cabin to be. But other than that, yeah I think my Honda Civic handles this pretty well as well
Hard disagree with this. Climate control has become a must for me since the early 2000s. Set and forget is always better than fiddling with things. And now my current car has three levels of automatic so it doesn't go full blast at the beginning, it's amazing.
I wish my wife understood how that worked. She always gets in, and since the engine hasn’t warmed up yet, the heat doesn’t come on, so she cranks it up to 30C.
My wife's car is like that, you set it to 72 and it'll blast really hot air or really cold air depending on the outside temperature vs inside. I wish it just blasted 72 degree air. I just always use it in manual mode now so its not constantly switching.
Yeah, my gf does something similar, but opposite. She doesn't like it going full blast so she turns down the fan which turns off the auto. I think if she had the version I did she would actually use it correctly.
Automatic AC is good. Having an accident while looking at which part of the touchscreen the finger has to press is straight retarded engineering.

So, even better argument for auto climate control. Set it once when you first get in your car and are still parked, then leave it. However, yes buttons please. If this meme is about buttons vs touch screen, then I strongly agree with the meme. My vehicle not only has the auto climate, but also it is using buttons. They're stupid capacitive touch buttons that Hyundai has since switched back away from, but at least they're always in the same spot and I don't have to change any screens to access them.
My car still has tactile buttons and it's a 2018 model. The reason big touchscreens that do everything are becoming more and more usual is because the people want it
Hard disagree. Physical buttons with a digital temperature and split controls for left and right (and maybe rear as well). Automatic climate control that also does the fans. I had all of this on a car in 2010, and it was perfect - I could just leave the temperature set at what I wanted all the time, and the fans would blow hard if it needed to heat or cool significantly to get there.
Some manufacturer's, eg Volvo, don't automatically adjust the fans, which is wank. But nothing is as wank as touch screen controls - I fucking hate it when you're trying to aim at a button, then as you go in to press the car bumps and you completely miss.
I still have this. I can adjust all of it without ever looking at knobs while driving. Good luck doing that with touch bs.
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