The showwriters for The Boys had to get this explicit for right-wingers to get the picture.
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A growing number of people are getting really comfortable with the idea of being literal Nazis.
Naziism is just an ideology that appeals to some common instincts, which becomes an issue when enough of them are in precarity that they warm up to making the ideas policy.
It doesn't make for a very good state. Incompetence and nepotism rises to the top. Data driven science is tossed aside for ideology-driven rhetoric. Officials govern on vibes resulting in famine, plague and war. Also the country turns into the very kind of shithole it accuses other nations of being.
Eventually, you have bombers from rival countries blocking the the sun over the capitol. International tribunals exercise judgement and enforce their law, since the nazis failed to provide rule of law to their own. Children pick up pieces of the trainwreck.
And we learn (or fail to learn) once again why we don't let the fascist autocrats take over, even when they are very, very rich.
We in the US have a choice: clean up the mess early, or let China clean it up for us. And China will make us jolly sorry if we make them clean it up. We'll be their buggery bitch for a century or two at least.
Well, not like it changed from before ww2. Well, maybe it did for the next 2 weeks.
That's not true at all. For roughly 70 years, being fully fascist was very much a fringe thing that you'd be shunned by normal people for. Even the most callous paleoconservatives would categorically shun any Nazi or other openly fascist person.
Then decades of gradual and accelerating rightward drifting of the Overton Window (for which the Democrats' ineptitude as the SUPPOSED opposition party bear a lot of the responsibility) and normalization of outright lying as a political strategy inevitably led to a fascist demagogue like the Mango Mussolini and now fascism is the new mainstream "conservatism".
I think a big part of it is that too much time has passed since the last bunch were dealt with. Most people who remember that are dead now.
It's also an education problem. Instead of "yay we're the good guys, we beat the bad guys", there should have been more understanding of how the bad guys got so bad, and why the USA always had the potential to go down the same road. But if you're looking at it on a superficial level, you can think you're automatically safe from that, just because you have different names, different locations, different flags. And because you're the good guys.
Don't forget the ACLU protecting Illinois Nazi hate speech.
It's not even an allegiance to "National Socialism" or the NSDAP, per se.
Some people are aroused by the prospect of telling people, with impunity, that they or their group are in charge of everything forever and everyone has to applaud it on pain of torture and death.
They have a perverse, sometimes sexual, stimulation at the prospect of threatening, abusing, and submitting people to their doctrine of what they unilaterally deem to be the natural order of things.
Simply put, they feed, at every level, on the pain and misery they cause.
It’s like racism, to them being called a racist is more offensive than their racist actions. They want to be racist Nazis, but they just don’t want us to call them that
Thats because they've been conditioned to view themselves as the victim. When you point out that they are doing harm to others it really fucks with their entire sense of self and they get defensive.
This is also why they need to hear the truth. We cannot keep coddling these snowflakes just because it makes them feel more comfortable and gives them a false sense of security.
Imagine it like you're meeting a kid who has been homeschooled and sheltered from the outside world for their entire lives. They often say and believe things that don't line up with reality because their view on the outside world has relied only on what their parents were willing to tell them.
The gradual shift from slant to widespread gaslighting and narrative control that we're all seeing in most American news and media in 2025, is just a glimpse into what the right have been experiencing for decades. We view it as alarming now, but imagine how you'll feel after a few years.
After a while it just becomes the normal/default. Imagine generations growing up dependent on this shit to keep them informed about the rest of the world. They're not going to be happy about hearing the truth, but they need to hear it. All you can and should do is state facts, and ignore any attempts to turn every conversation into a Fox News vs CNN debate.
If they continue to escalate, just disengage like you would a child throwing a tantrum. If/when they're ready to calm down and speak rationally, then repeat. Stick to facts. Present evidence if they're willing to listen. Do not let them twist the narrative or pivot to a different subject in order to distract. At the end of the day, they have no evidence to back up the things they say. If they can't present their evidence, then the conversation is over.
If they still want to be angry and blame someone, tell them they should take it up with the abusive patriarchal oligarchs who manipulated them and distorted their reality in order to control them.
There's actually a movie called Look Who's Back, where Hitler is transported to the modern day, and at the end of the film, he's gaining political momentum, because it turns out that while the Nazis were driven out of power, their ideology was allowed to continue.
It really is the case that there are a lot of people out there that like Nazi ideology, but just don't like to be associated with the endgame of their ideology.
I read something ages ago, some study or something, not sure how legit, and it basically came to the conclusion that the only way to stop people from liking and associating with Nazi ideology is to not expose them to it, because there are some people that will like it if exposed, and it can't really be stopped.
Culling the herd seems to be the tried and true method.
I'm not even sure how well that will work now with the internet.
I don't follow.
Well, you can't just cull for the sake of culling, who do you cull? So you need something like a war to occur, but the internet will just keep radicalizing people at an increasing rate even as they get culled.
Edit: Like Russia is being culled right now, but that doesn't deter the growth elsewhere.
WW2 we culled the extremists, same with the US civil war.
So yes, I am suggesting war is the only answer to Fascism.
I don't think any other option would have worked for Japan, Italy and Germany either.
We're never going to see a war like WW2 again, only isolated things like Russia and Ukraine, and Israel and Palestine.
War would become nuclear and destroy everyone if something like WW2 happened again and wouldn't really wipe it out, it'd wipe everyone out, and let it thrive in the now remaining isolated pockets.
So there will only be isolated wars but that doesn't outpace it's growth worldwide.
While Ukraine is not anywhere near the scale of WWII, they're hardly isolated. While the hot battlefield is geographically isolated, the logistical and economic battlefields deeply involve many countries around the world, including NATO countries, China, and Iran. It's much bigger than a proxy war.
"Er ist wieder da" was the most depressing comedy movie of the decade. ("Don't look up" is this decade's winner)
It gets even more depressing when you learn that many of the public scenes are NOT scripted, they're literally a guy in a hitler suit, out in public, think Borat, but with nazis.
It's a pretty good watch, I think it was free on youtube when I saw it a couple years ago.
Edit: yup still on there, with English subtitles
if the republican party was a cereal, it'd be Oops, all nazis!
As the saying goes,
Not all Republicans are nazis, but all nazis are Republican.
In recent years, they are in leadership positions more and more often.
So you have to dig your head further and further into the sand to still call yourself a Republican without being a nazi. At a certain point, which I'd say is in the past, you've got yourself a nazi bar. Because even when you're not a nazi, if you ally with them, you may as well be.
Like how Mussolini wasn't a nazi and Franco wasn't a nazi.
You spend eighty years rehabilitating nazis to fight socialism, you get nazis and no socialism.
Unrelated, but this is my brother's favorite quote.
Alas, this doesn't only apply to republicans. You'd be surprised how much everyday people casually believe in eugenics/phrenology/other nazi related pseudo-science.
And when pressed: "I was just joking!"
You are sre 100% correct. And btw, it's related.
In regards to eugenics, some may have some parts where they disagree on the definition of terms. I'm not talking about people believing Idiocracy was right on the premise,nor those who say there should be licenses to be a parent. Those are both eugenics or eugenics lite imo.
However, you can get genetic testing to see if your child might have a debilitating condition. Now first to lay out my ... Bias? I don't plan to have kids and therefore don't feel pressured to have a firm opinion on genetic testing. I do support abortion rights. However, some may define choosing to abort because you learn your child may have a debilitating disease or a very painful life to be eugenics, while others may not agree.
There's also people who believe in gene editing before birth, like the (disgraced iirc) Chinese scientist who tried to use CRISPR to prevent AIDS transferring from mother to daughter (nevermind the fact we have drugs to do that anyway). I think broadly speaking editing gene sequences could be considered eugenics, but some may disagree.
What is eugenics called if you remove the authoritarian neutering/killing parts?
Ask Iceland. They have a strict controls inplace to prevent inbreeding in their limited population.
It will never stop being funny that republicans were super excited about The Boys until that season, and then got butthurt when ‘the message changed’, suddenly saying Homelander was warping superman’s legacy and had gone woke and whatnot.
Like, he was clearly a fascist from minute 1, but once Stormfront made it inescapably obvious, even to their tiny minds, the whole series had changed.
Watching that play out was one of the highlights of the past 10 years.
lol, he slaughtered that whole plane of people in season 1.
These people are just dumb as bricks and need it literally spelled out for them to understand anything.
They barely understand text, let alone heavy handed subtext.
That'a why most creative works with deep subtext which is cleverly plotted in the plot are worthless as a teaching medium. Dumb fuckers needs stuff to be delivered very directly.
I think we just need media literacy to be taught in regular schools. Both with real world content or fictional works. We should be raising the dumb dumbs up rather than dumbing our media down to cater to their smooth brains.
Yeah, but with the fascists in charge, not only will that never happen, they’re dedicated to undermining standard literacy, nevermind adding media and fictional literacy.
Kinda feels like we’re doomed.
You are right, but I wouldn't be angry for occasional movie that says very straightforward that being racist and nazi is not good.
More like "They don't like what I have to say, but they're not actually listening because they love the words Nazi and fascist."
Also, Graham Platner right now.
Fuck me. Look at your history you have a hard-on for that dude.
Oh, I’m sorry if I keep commenting on the breaking news story that a senate candidate that has been plastered all over Lemmy recently has a nazi tattoo. Clearly that’s a me issue.
It was a skull and crossbones. That's a very generic symbol. Hell, it's being used all over the world right now as a part of anti-government protests. Your average American probably most associates it with pirates. I sure do, even knowing that the Nazis used it as well.
Regardless, as soon as he was told about it the one possible meaning, he got the tattoo covered over with something else. Find something of substance, like him actually saying anything anti-semitic.
That’s a very generic symbol.
It's literally the Totenkopf symbol used in the "Are We the Baddies?" skit. It's a specifically nazi variant of a skull-and-crossbones. C'mon, you can't really blame people for thinking that's a bit sus for someone running for political office.
The worst part is that stormfront doesn't even look Aryan lol
Yeah, it's a made up thing that never happened. also it literally means Iranian, so.. fucking confusing today that Hitler made up a fanfic race for a language group that were not very district from all other neighboring people that hinged on them being Iranian somehow.
Is that really "the worst part"...
Neither did Hitler. The most ardent nazis i see online are indian and hispanic.
Nazi isnt just a word, Frau. Its a lifestyle hated by anyone who values freedom from oppression
The bad thing is that they are right about 50% of MAGA ... the other 50% of MAGA dont mind using the word Nazi.
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