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[–] 226 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Microsoft is doing more for Linux adoption than anyone else ever has lol

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Valve with Steamdeck and Proton development: “Am I a joke to you?”

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They are helping, yes, but windows 11 is a driving force like I've never seen.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's only really viable though, because of Steam and Proton

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, but those two things have been such a massive driver for Linux adoption, that it isn't really relevant.

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  • I'm not trying to belittle the contribution of Valve or Proton or anything, completely agree it's a massive contributor. There's also a lot of work done by a lot of people to get us to that point (and tbh I flipped a long time ago and did more console gaming, so I kinda see it from the opposite perspective - proton has brought back PC gaming for me rather than allowing me to break free of windows.)

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Steam took the cap off the toothpaste tube.
    Microsoft is giving the toothpaste tube a good squeeze!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So many people just immediately gave into ChatGPT, I doubt Microsoft’s actions will do that much damage. Besides, for anyone not using it it’s pretty easy to ignore. I don’t do a single thing on my PC that requires much beyond opening a game or Firefox so I don’t feel the pressure to leave at the moment.

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  • Ironically, one of the things that I'm moving to Linux for is the gaming performance boost that I've heard some people report due to the lack of Windows bloat and telemetry running in the background all the time.

    Bazzite, the Linux version I keep seeing people recommend for gaming and people new to Linux has had a big boost in users in the past 6 weeks or so, apparently, that people are completely attributing to Microsoft.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have said the same as well. Prior to them dropping the fat grumpy that is 11, I was all in on the windows ecosystem for myself. I heavily modified it of course so it didn't have a bunch of the nonsense but overall, the experience was good. But then they started warping 10, and then they came out with 11 which was massive garbage at release and now is worse garbage years down the road. And with that AI outlook, I'm full on bailing from everything.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    MS has to justify thier cost of spending so much money on AI datacenters, they need everyone to buy it to offset the unprofitable cost of AI usage. thats why they are so desperate and suddenly trying to force W11 down peoples throat.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Yes definitely, but mentioning anything good about Apple on Lemmy gets you stitches…

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've got two friends that are right in the edge of trying. One has a spare thin client that he wants to PoC with and was asking for distros and how to install. The other was thinking of jumping in the deep end with Arch, and I've warned him, but the wiki is solid, he's not dumb, and Arch install is better than it ever has been.

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  • [+] 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Microsoft is so incredibly fucked when the AI bubble starts to burst. They've abandoned so many of their other projects and customers to go all-in on it.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I dunno. I feel like they are like the cable company now. They will jus sit there twiddling their nipples while we are all fucked.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I need the cable company (or similar) due to the fact that infrastructure is hard to deploy, and we need Internet to participate in society.

    Nobody needs Microsoft cause every single one of their products has an alternative that's at least as good.

    They survive by courting enterprises, but many of them can also switch away if they want.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    On a personal basis that works, but they are so corporately entrenched that their products getting shitier matters quite little.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Seriously this, it would take something like the PCI or SOX declaring Windows outside of compliance for Microsoft to die from bad business decisions in the US. Although German gov switching to Linux starts treading a path through

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    How long until they successfully lobby the US government to make FOSS illegal somehow

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    What could easily happen is they break a GPL license, then take it to the supreme court, so they can kneecap GNU licensed projects by making the mandate of making every change public unenforceable.

    (The EU should just leave the Berne convention, then make it's own decisions on copyright, including stripping monopolies like MS and Disney of copyright protections.)

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    They will be fine. They are second most valuable company in the world. They have money to throw around and their source of income still seem inexhaustible. A few new Linux users won't even make a dent.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but it's the truth no matter what we are wishing for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    If this was true (not that they are the 2nd most valuable company, that much is clear), why would they bend over and support W10 for another year in the EU while fucking up everyone else? There are ways for companies that seem to be immortal to self-destroy. Intel for example. Did any of us thought that they could burst 10 years ago? And look at them now, crawling asking for help.

    All you need is a seriously bad decision, then doubling down on it, and just watch it spiral down until they crash.

    The seemingly endless access to money only makes the process take longer, it's not a shield from catastrophic failure.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's very much true. W10 was cause of pressure from companies and countries, not because of the odd Joe contemplating their os.

    Any company may fall, but they can also fail from inaction. Ms has the option to get data no one else can. They can't afford not to.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that certainly plays a role. What really blows my mind is that governments and companies KNOW this about Microsoft, yet they choose to stay in their infrastructure. This world just keeps getting weirder every day.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes and it's not new. There have been failed attempts to get out of Microsoft by governments and companies around the world for more than a decade. Its hard. The cost is huge, the benefit vague and distant.

    The only reason why is gaining ground now it's because US got really crazy. Not because of the cost of Windows licences. Not even because of invasive AI.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Hate to tell you, but we're all incredibly fucked. Least of all Microsoft. They know what they're doing. They most certainly already have a plan for recovery, as they know it's coming just as well as everyone else.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I keep parroting this, but in the next couple of years, I think there will be a couple of giants that fall. I work in ServiceNow and they, like many others, have gone all in on AI. Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it's prohibitively expensive. Nobody is paying 10s of thousands+ extra for the licensing to be able to run agents, and less are paying the extra licensing required for the users to be able to use that agent.

    I've now been pulled into copilot studio, and yet again it's another product rushed to market that isn't ready for the big stage. Dog shit documentation and training material, and terrible environment design.

    All of these big players have invested so much money in adding AI, nobody wants it, and now they're all hemoragging money.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Precisely my thoughts. Companies that are all in on this, except for 2 or 3 of the ones that actually are making headway on AI (as opposed to just mirroring Sam Altman's ponzy scheme like Microsoft is doing), will eventually crash and burn.

    Look at Apple, they've been left behind in the AI race, but they have other good stuff thatsome of their fans will support (I'm using the word "good" very lightly here), and with their market value and endless cash flow, they are way more likely to still be here 10 years from now.

    None of us can see the future, but we can look at the signs. MS will never be a point of reference for AI, as that task belongs to OpenAI and Google exclusively for now (and Meta to some extent).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I always was wondering APPLe never announced any kind of AI initiative, through all this craze. thier iphones, and macos, macbooks, and desktops is enough profit as it is. i wonder if they did caluclations, that AI is going to cost them alot more than it will generate revenue/profit, and after seeing how GOOGLE, OPENAI, MS, ,,,etc isnt generating any income, they probably abandoned at this point.

    GOOGLE is definitely all in, thats why they want to datamine you to sell and offset thier AI center costs. they Largely abandoned thier pixel development

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Could be, but on the other side of the coin, their sales of iPhones are at an all time low this year (by that I mean that the sales were not as good a previous years on launch), and some articles blame their Apple Intelligence not being up to par with Google's Gemini and using OpenAi as the backbone for Apple Intelligence. Which is as much a privacy nightmare as Gemini, if not worse.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    fuck off, not my shit you wont

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Meanwhile I'm making every one of my computers Linux.

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