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[–] 95 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Ehhh. If the left is always complaing about the right believing fake news and outrage bait I think we should also resist the temptation to engage in the same thing.

A note a tumblr with a "trust me bro" source should not be considered as true, especially when the contents is a far fetched as this.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nick fuentes literally dated a catboy. This is not a step further than that.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fair. So. Who’s looking into this?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    I tried fact checking this when I first saw it yesterday and haven't been able to verify it. The closest I found was them making homophobic jokes about this subject but no evidence it's practiced.

    I think the claim is bogus. If the evidence oop is using is those jokes then the the evidence is very weak.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Honestly the whole thing set my bullshit sensors off immediately, but I would have a hard time believing that out of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of viewers that there weren't anyone who happened to hook up with each other. People tend to have sex with each other, and thats just the reality of the human condition

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure. I'm 100% sure there some "red-pilled hard right" guys who are into fem boys and cat things and are gay and pretty much anything else, because that's just how life is.

    Wether they'll admit that to others or even themselves is another issue.

    But I don't believe there is some group systematically organising fem boys for the purpose of whatever the op wrote.

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  • [–] 155 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    I've become increasingly preoccupied with the idea that dudes in denial about their sexuality are actually the most dangerous people in the world

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I completely agree and I have personal experiences to back that up

    I feel like men who have not been allowed to explore their sexuality in a safe way become extremely angry, frustrated, and dangerous

    That's why I feel like homophobia is something that should be less reviled, and more looked at as a trauma inflicted on the homophobe

    This comes from somebody who works in social services, and I myself am non-binary. I know it's hard to look at the hate that comes from homophobia with compassion, but I feel like it's necessary in order for society to heal from it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    eh? What would that look like?

    That’s why I feel like homophobia is something that should be less reviled, and more looked at as a trauma inflicted on the homophobe

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Not entirely sure... but I think you have an issue with the premise of my statement first, if you'd like to discuss that?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, I don't understand what you're saying. What would "looking at as a trauma," look? Would they go to therapy for the trauma inflicted on them for being hateful? I don't know what you're saying.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That the trauma inflicted on them drove them to be hateful, not the trauma inflected from being hateful.

    The hate as the result (as in, an unhealthy coping mechanism), not the cause.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It seems like a difficult thing to do in practice. You wouldn't know they had trauma until they started acting out their hate.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's the trauma, the oppression of their own sexual freedom which leads to homophobia

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But, how would you know to treat it before they acted out their hate? Are you saying we should have compassion after they acted out their homophobia?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are secret homosexuals who are homophobes because they have been bullied. Some are openly gay but are self-hating because of bullying as well. To put it succinctly, there are self-hating gays because they have internalised the oppression, and that is manifestation of trauma.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Absolutely, but what is the use of knowing that information? What can anyone do about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    but what is the use of knowing that information?

    Bottling down the innate sexuality towards the same sex because of societal constraints is bad for the person's well-being. At worst, it self-perpetuate the culture of homophobia because the self-loathing person adds fuel to the fire.

    What can anyone do about it.

    Learn to accept that homosexuality is perfectly fine, and those with internalised oppression needs therapy.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I see where you’re coming from. I had the same thought a couple of times.

    I still feel there are tons of miserable closeted people that wouldn’t hurt a fly, though, so I think it’s probably at best an extreme minority.

    I can’t shake the strange feeling that love is in fact a resources that is very scarce. And that with enough love for every human being at all times, a huge majority of humanity’s problems would simply disappear.

    There are a certain percent of people who simply can’t love, or be loved, though. Those would need to be treated as persons with special needs, but also, kinda on a watchlist.

    Sadly, there’s currently no way for every human to feel the huge amount of love they’d need. Because of social rules, of the natural mammal tendency to exert sexual discrimination, or simply because life can hurt so much and in so many cruel ways.

    The closest I would see to a fully loved world in the future would be AI-driven love, so an ultimately hollow, cold, and fake love instead of the flawed, human one.

    I guess love is truly all you need.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I’ve learned to give myself the love I needed through meditation practice, in particular the Ideal Parent Protocol in which you imagine idealized parents loving you just the way you needed but never received. Since doing those practices, along with self love and compassion, I am now able to show up in my relationships with much more compassion and love.

    Love is actually infinitely abundant and surrounding us always but trauma closes us off from that reality.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How is transmaxxing being used to perpetuate transphobia?

    The problem with the “transmaxxing” theory is that it does not contend with the realities of living as a trans woman in a systemically transphobic and misogynistic world. Trans people are subjected to disproportionately higher rates of violence and experience increased levels of housing insecurity in comparison to their peers. Contrary to these statistical realities, Vintologi writes “trans women will benefit from the increasing female privilege.” This supposed privilege has no factual basis as all women are still the subject of discrimination and violence (sexual and otherwise) on the basis of their sex, while being paid an average of 85 cents on the dollar when compared to their cis male counterparts.

    Highlighting this section for people.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I'm going to need more proof than a tumblr shitpost. There's no way you're going to groom someone who wants to be masculine into being feminine, ala femboys, and especially not to offer themselves to the others.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    I don't know, there's generations of anecdotal experience from private schools. Even when I was a kid 30+ years ago it was a common thing to hear, that rich schoolboys buggered the younger boys*, who then took their turn when they were older. It was a common joke in media from the 60s and 70s, which would suggest that it was happening in at least the 30s and 40s.

    Obviously it is anecdotal, and could have just been the joke spreading, but British and American media made the same observation for a long time.

    *They buggered each other, because nobody would be crude enough to suggest sex, and especially not love! These boys were the future of the British Empire don't you know! Stiff upper lip and all that.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I mean, sissy culture is a huge thing. That part I know for a fact. Whether Groypers, specifically, are into this stuff is not something I'm in a position to comment on, but yeah, sissies are big queer subculture.

    Basically it's a very fucked up, very right wing tradwife adjacent take on queerness and transness. The thing here is the guys who are getting into this are the kind of guys who, on some level, really do want to embrace their identity as either a queer man, or a trans woman, but have grown up in such a toxic environment that they've never been able to engage with those parts of themselves in a healthy way. So first they try to perform masculinity the way they're supposed to, but it doesn't fix their problems so then they accept this new role as "the sissy", a kind of failure state for performative masculinity that they sort of get bullied into a sort of "Oh no, please don't force me to eat all this chocolate cake" kind of way. By becoming the "victims" of this transformation into enforced womanhood they get to live out their inner desires in a way that's compatible with the societal expectations around them.

    Of course, the way these people preform feminity is entirely in line with their completely fucked right wing views on women, so it's this hyper-degrading "Make me a sandwich and then give me a blowjob while I play CoD" male fantasy version of womanhood. That's a big part of what makes this so appealing to hyper-masculine right wing guys; you'll be hard pressed to find anyone more committed to being the perfect right wing male ideal of a woman than another right wing man.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are they really huge as far as queer subcultures go? Like I've met one irl, but they've always seemed small and like they skewed older. But also it makes sense that I wouldn't meet many mostly hanging out in leather scenes

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Big enough to have a significant online presence, but they don't exactly overlap with other queer scenes much. If the average sissy had any healthy exposure to most parts of our culture, they probably wouldn't be sissies. It's a form of queerness almost entirely predicated on self-hatred.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So, this isn't really proof or a source, but it's possibly more like grooming people who are closeted trans/non binary (or maybe even before they realize they're closeted). So it could be people that already want to be feminine but aren't really aware of it. So imagine a young amab person who's been bullied into being masculine despite wanting to be feminine. Ending up in such a community would make them a target for this type of grooming.

    Just thinking out loud how it might go down. Because I agree, I don't think it'd be easy to just convince someone who wants to be masculine to be feminine.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why wouldn't they just pay a prostitute? This seems way too convoluted.

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  • The fascists? Because paying a woman is feminism. They want to take what they're owed, not engage in mutually beneficial business. I think a lot of them would consider having to suffer a prostitute, to pay money for something their chad brethren would never, ever have to pay for, to be immasculating.

    I'm sure there are plenty of fascists who do pay for prostitutes, but for the ones above? Much like straight people being coy and indirect, and playing chase with each other: they just like the way the pagentry makes them feel.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't believe this, but not as much as I'd like to not believe this. That said, as a fascinated nerd, if there is evidence that doesn't require sorting through the toxic sludge of their spaces let me know it sounds fascinating

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    That got really dark, really quick. I also did not know that.

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    Gorki was right /s

    Jokes aside, homefascism is a real thing. Also people like Adolf Twinkler exist 🙃

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The human mind is strange and wonderful.

    And, scary. Don't forget scary.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This shit is pure transphobia perpetuated by 4chan culture to demonize trans people and gender non conforming people. It's synonymous with transmaxxing and incel ideology.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The same phenomenon is observed in prisons, and the humiliation ritual of new recruits in some military. It's not gay if you're not the prison bitch or the recruit blowing the commander. As a guy, I never understood this. Just come out! Jeez, the world will be a better place if these raging homophobes start to love themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Our glorious catgirls | their barbaric femboys

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Groypers are the domestic terrorists that ended Charlie Kirk

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, they get pretty Athenian sometimes.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Holy hell. That’s why we stopped hearing about Tyler Robinson

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Oh, so this whole "femboy nazi" trope is actually intentional. Huh.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm not even an incel but I'd still have sex with a cute femboy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Surely, this comment section won't be ani feminine male 🫠 Right?

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