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[–] 86 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Obligatory https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

The real Lord of the Flies: what happened when six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months

When a group of schoolboys were marooned on an island in 1965, it turned out very differently from William Golding’s bestseller, writes Rutger Bregman

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Honestly, I think six is likely the right number for this to work. I don't recall how many boys were in Lord of the Flies, but you get to 10-15 and you're absolutely going to start forming factions. And a hierarchy. And with more opinions you get more disagreements, and you're right back to Lord of the Flies.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I hated that damn book, but this (complete with conch) is hilarious.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I both dislike the book and dislike this comic for missing the actual point of the book, which is not in fact, haha, this is what would actually happen and it's just a group of random kids. It was specifically portraying british aristocratic children to criticize the colonizer mindset while discussing larger issues of human nature and civility and structure vs chaos.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I haven't read the book but how did it criticize the colonizer mindset? A cursory look makes it seem like a justification of paternalistic authority, so propaganda for kids to blindly listen to their parents haha.

    If anything wouldn't this be justification for colonization, as colonized nations were often infantalized/dehumanized?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It was specifically a contrast on the colonizer mindset that was common both in culture and literature at the time. Showing a bunch of useless british aristocrats coming to "savage lands" and rather than taming the land they were shown that without their wealth and power and being taken care of by competent natives and labourers they became the savages they claimed to be inherently divinely better than.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I liked that book. It was eye-opening. And kinda made me appreciate the relative orderliness we have in a society run by adults. As much as kids would love to run wild & free with no supervision, but I was fortunate to be a child of the 1970's & 80s so I enjoyed the perfect balance of wild freedom with parental care at the end of every day.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reading it in the early 00s it made me wish I lived somewhere far more interesting with far more wild classmates.

    All the rules and restrictions were so internalised, I think if we were abandoned on an island half of them would just sit still and starve.

    I can't imagine any of them being interesting enough to try to start their own religious cult or anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    When lunchtime approached at her usual morning time, Becca waited and waited, still and silent, till the sun set on the calm and foamy sea. She sat waiting in the golden hour sun, stomach churning, wondering why.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Can I ask why? It was actually one of my favorites in school, so just curious for a differing opinion.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I hated it because it was totally unbelievable, just a paternalistic rationalization for authority

    I was confronted with the knowledge that the adults around me all thought the only thing keeping me from murdering someone was layers of rules and supervision. Like we're all just rabid animals barely held back by a watchful eye

    Even then, I knew myself better than that. I knew people better than that

    But that's how our society treats people. Like monsters that must be managed

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fair, my analysis of it was that it was more metaphorical. That you could abstract it easily to global society at large.

    The rejection of intellectualism through breaking glasses. The war caused over superstition. The one disabled kid being murdered first could be read as a criticism of extreme right wing ideology.

    The Forrest burning is very reminiscent of American napalm bombing. Hell the meetings could be compared to the UN if you squint

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I can see that angle, but that's not how it was presented to me... And based on memes like this, it's not how it was presented to most students. Teachers legitimately taught this as if it were a justification for giving us so little autonomy

    Analyzing it now outside of that, I see a through line with what you're saying. I think to really understand the intention behind it, this all points back to one thing...

    “I have always understood the Nazis,” Golding confessed, “because I am of that sort by nature.”

    To drive your point home, most of what you listed are on the fascism checklist. This is something Golding thought of often, because he had that level of darkness within him

    And as a depressed schoolteacher, he did what many small minded people do - he projected himself onto others instead of understanding that people come with all sorts of drives and natures

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The name of that book is kinda stupid, IMO.

    None of those kids even have the ability to command flies.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    "Shucks to your Ass-mar" Said Ralph, as his face grew white, his eyes lost focus, and a telltale buzzing began emanating from somewhere deep inside of him. His mouth drooped low and spread wide forming a horrifying O at least two feet in diameter. The buzzing became louder and more frantic, as thousands of flies began to spill from his mouth, hurtling towards the small, fat boy in front of him who even now was attempting, futilely, to run from the buzzing, angry, hungry swarm of flies.

    "He truly is" said one of the other boys, glad not to be the object of Ralph's ire for once "the lord of the flies"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't remember it very well but I thought the title was a reference to something hypothetical one of the kids thought of

    Like they saw something they didn't fully understand and extrapolated that the thing they were seeing was the lord of the flies

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Watch out for that boulder, Piggy

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Spoiler alert: >!Piggy died.!<

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm reading the book at the moment and shouldn't even be in this thread but this was a spoiler for me!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    LOL oops sorry. What are the odds this thread is being visited by someone reading Lord of the Flies for the first time in their life? 😆 But you were warned. That's the purpose of spoiler tags. To protect any virgin eyes out there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As a European, the book wasn't in any of my curriculums. But I'm working my way through the classics. And as the other commenter said, your spoiler tag isn't collapsible. No worries though, my fault for reading this thread.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The spoiler tag isn't collapsible? That's weird, it's not working for anybody? This is what it looks like on my end:

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm using Voyager:

    And on Firefox/lemmy.world:

    I'm not sure what interface you're using, but I haven't seen Markdown spoilers done like that.

    Tap for spoiler
    hidden content

    Which looks like:

    Tap for spoilerhidden content

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Uhm guys we should have a meeting ☝️🤓

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    this is how my world history teacher introduced us to locke and hobbes

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Still better than the class about John Wayne Gacy, taught by Pogo the Clown.

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