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[–] 58 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I hated that damn book, but this (complete with conch) is hilarious.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I both dislike the book and dislike this comic for missing the actual point of the book, which is not in fact, haha, this is what would actually happen and it's just a group of random kids. It was specifically portraying british aristocratic children to criticize the colonizer mindset while discussing larger issues of human nature and civility and structure vs chaos.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I haven't read the book but how did it criticize the colonizer mindset? A cursory look makes it seem like a justification of paternalistic authority, so propaganda for kids to blindly listen to their parents haha.

    If anything wouldn't this be justification for colonization, as colonized nations were often infantalized/dehumanized?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It was specifically a contrast on the colonizer mindset that was common both in culture and literature at the time. Showing a bunch of useless british aristocrats coming to "savage lands" and rather than taming the land they were shown that without their wealth and power and being taken care of by competent natives and labourers they became the savages they claimed to be inherently divinely better than.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I liked that book. It was eye-opening. And kinda made me appreciate the relative orderliness we have in a society run by adults. As much as kids would love to run wild & free with no supervision, but I was fortunate to be a child of the 1970's & 80s so I enjoyed the perfect balance of wild freedom with parental care at the end of every day.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reading it in the early 00s it made me wish I lived somewhere far more interesting with far more wild classmates.

    All the rules and restrictions were so internalised, I think if we were abandoned on an island half of them would just sit still and starve.

    I can't imagine any of them being interesting enough to try to start their own religious cult or anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    When lunchtime approached at her usual morning time, Becca waited and waited, still and silent, till the sun set on the calm and foamy sea. She sat waiting in the golden hour sun, stomach churning, wondering why.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Can I ask why? It was actually one of my favorites in school, so just curious for a differing opinion.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I hated it because it was totally unbelievable, just a paternalistic rationalization for authority

    I was confronted with the knowledge that the adults around me all thought the only thing keeping me from murdering someone was layers of rules and supervision. Like we're all just rabid animals barely held back by a watchful eye

    Even then, I knew myself better than that. I knew people better than that

    But that's how our society treats people. Like monsters that must be managed

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fair, my analysis of it was that it was more metaphorical. That you could abstract it easily to global society at large.

    The rejection of intellectualism through breaking glasses. The war caused over superstition. The one disabled kid being murdered first could be read as a criticism of extreme right wing ideology.

    The Forrest burning is very reminiscent of American napalm bombing. Hell the meetings could be compared to the UN if you squint

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I can see that angle, but that's not how it was presented to me... And based on memes like this, it's not how it was presented to most students. Teachers legitimately taught this as if it were a justification for giving us so little autonomy

    Analyzing it now outside of that, I see a through line with what you're saying. I think to really understand the intention behind it, this all points back to one thing...

    “I have always understood the Nazis,” Golding confessed, “because I am of that sort by nature.”

    To drive your point home, most of what you listed are on the fascism checklist. This is something Golding thought of often, because he had that level of darkness within him

    And as a depressed schoolteacher, he did what many small minded people do - he projected himself onto others instead of understanding that people come with all sorts of drives and natures

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