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[–] 68 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Never bought her a diamond

Never even bought a ring

Never even got married with a giant ceremony or big event

Been together for over 30 years, bought property and all kinds of things, traveled to over 30 countries. Still not married.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Same philosophy, but we did get married after we realized the legal protections and tax benefits were worth it. We just saw too much opportunity for our very dissimilar families to pull some nonsense if someone became ill or incapacitated.

    We snuck into a park (that requires reservations for ceremonies) with some friends and that was that.
    The rings are simple and inexpensive, and also rarely worn. We know what we’re about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Congratulations ... we get along with each others families very well now and there's no worries about anyone pulling anything on us (although there is always a chance that may change) ... but at the same time, everyone is now so freakin old that it almost doesn't matter to anyone any more. We are seriously thinking of getting officially married, simply for the fact that this is the only way to deal with medical rights issues for spouses and partners.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. Both of us depart from our families, and didn’t want to be in a position where we could have a parent or sibling try to “pull rank” about some medical decision, or have to worry about assets.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
    • got married at city hall for like $20
    • got him a synthetic diamond ring for $300 (looks great, large diamond with lots of small decorative diamonds, easily looks 10x or even 100x the price we paid)
    • spent all of the money we would have spent on wedding and ring on a long vacation
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thank you. This was in like 2020 though so it has been a while :D

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same boat.

    At the end of the day, marriage is a government contract.

    Why the fuck would I want the government involved in my relationship?

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
  • What you described is exactly why Equal Marriage mattered so much. Thank you for highlighting that. I think, now, there are ways to designate someone in that role (besides marriage)? I'm not 100% sure of that. If not, I'd like to see that done.

    For the original topic, I'm very much of the view that love should not be tied to consumerism of any type. If I were to get married, it would certainly be a courthouse wedding, with no rings or any of that; purely for those legal benefits.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Congratulations

    In Canada, once you live with a commonlaw partner for a given number of years (I think its two or more years?) ... the law basically identifies you as a married couple in many ways. I think the only things left over is medical rights, do no resuscitate and right to die issues after that.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "still haven't made my mind up" aaa relationship 😭🥀💀

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It was like that for a year or two .... then it turned into 30 ... we wondered for a long time ... but after a while, you both realize, I'm never finding someone like this again in this lifetime.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why not just get married then?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Guess they have nothing to prove to each other, they don't need a piece of paper or someone else to proclaim they are together forever, they already know that.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Rings are socially relevant demarcations of sexual availability. Diamonds are just shiny rocks. Frankly, rings with any stones in them piss me off. They catch on your clothes and rip your favorite fucking sweater, and it’s laundry day so you can’t even grab something else because your other clothes are soaked in vomit because projectile vomiting all over a crowd is the most reasonable course of action when you’re a dumb asshole dicking around on a balcony on new years, apparently.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Lab grown emeralds are a couple hundred bucks and are way prettier than diamonds.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My wife's engagement ring is an emerald, I don't think it was lab grown but it was way cheaper then a diamond and looks easy better then a piece of "glass"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My friend works with lab grown crystals and there re ones like lutetium aluminium garnet doped with cerium (LuAG:Ce) and similar which look awesome

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wonder if there's anyone interested creating lab diamonds that have imperfections that essentially become indistinguishable from the mined ones. There wouldn't be any money in it, but they could theoretically crash the blood diamond market.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Its already happened, its why big diamond cartels etch symbols into diamonds. They literally can't tell the difference anymore.

    Its not super common for them to do that as its at least unethical and illegal in some places. Plus unless your literally trying to counterfeit, why would you want a flawed diamond?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Moissanite is an excellent diamond alternative if you want a clear stone. Cheaper, just as resilient, and sparkly as fuck.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yup, it's even what they use in their displays because they sparkle more than a diamond.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Wife and I decided on moissanite. It's big, extra sparkly, and was at the time 1/10 the price a similar diamond would be. Almost as hard, too - won't get scratched except by another moissanite or a diamond.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    This is what I always say. When people want diamonds they either want them because they're pretty or expensive. If you want expensive then buy a gold bullion, if you want pretty buy a moissanite, for both, buy both.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If it loses 50-80% of the value as soon as it's used, might as well get a used one if you must have a natural diamond. This also applies to cars and plenty of other things. Let someone with more money than you take the hit.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Pretty sure a used engagement ring is worse than lab grown in the eyes of the unwashed masses.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Used means cursed, it failed once and will fail again. As if the mined materials have any effect in a relationship.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Damn, one of these without a "fake and gay" explanation, and I'm too tired to think of a good one. I've never gotten to be the fake and gay guy, and I'm missing my chance D:

    But anyway, as others have said, lab grown, vintage, there are other options.

    But has anyone considered a rock that doesn't just look like glass? There are so many cool rocks out there, people! I'd literally rather have a piece of quartz that my SO and I found together turned into a ring than I would have a piece of a much fancier/"valuable" stone that I have no attachment to.

    When my parents got married, they had gone gem mining at one of those places with the troughs of dirt, and you pan it yourself. They found some rubies, and had wedding rings made from those. How fucking cool is that? Way cooler than a thing you have no connection to, I think.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Wait until he finds out how much the reception will cost.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I agree the "rock" hints strongly at it, but unless they're american* weddings aren't very expensive. That whole lavish show-off thing the rest of us just ignore.

    *) hmm, maybe indian too

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Currently planning what seems like a fairly mid sized wedding in the UK

    It's already looking like it's going to be over double the cost of a roughly equivalent wedding one of my friends had only 3 years ago

    Based on some of the price lists of suppliers for the following year we've seen, they'll be getting even more expensive. The industry is getting quite out of hand

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    My wife and I looked at places a couple of friends got married at a couple of years earlier when we were planning on our wedding and those venues had doubled in price since then. A couple of years later our venue doubled in price. The wedding industry really seems intent on pricing itself out of existence!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    How much does it cost compared to the ceremony itself?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It depends a lot on what you do, I am currently looking and its annoying how few mid price options there seem to be. Like its either go down the pub with your mates for £150, or £20k invite a bunch of people you barely even know.

    Why so little in the 4 figure price range? Seems like for that you need to just organise something yourself and say its just a party.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wonder if it would just be cheaper to get catering to the Church hall, kind of like how they do with funerals and ordinations

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah pretty much, a community hall of some form that would let you do as you like with it kind of thing. Had a friend do that but she also wanted all the guests to bring their own dish to share for the meal. Given that she asked for money as a gift from people I am pretty sure it was the worlds only profitable wedding.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    So don't buy one. My girlfriend's will be getting one of those rings made of tungsten. Have you seen them they look amazing. It's simultaneously looks like something some elvish jewellery merchant made while at the same time looking like it made also activate the halo rings.

    A diamond is just shiny.

    Of course it's important to discuss these things with your partner in advance. Whether or not they would be happy with a non-diamond ring depends very much on the person. But it might be worth advocating for them because they look really nice and they are quite expensive but they're honestly more interesting than the diamond and ethically sourced. There's no such thing as blood tungsten.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If your finger swells up inside a tungsten ring, EMT's cannot cut through it with their normal tools. They have to use a high speed grinding tool. You or your loved one will not enjoy this procedure.

    Don't get tungsten rings.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I wear a tungsten band. Always have to take it off before the gym or manual labor. I was told "in an emergency they can't cut the ring so they may have to cut the finger". It's cool though, I barely use that one and I have like 9 others.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Did a jeweler tell you that so they could sell you something expensive? Tungsten rings are hard but brittle. They can be broken with a pair of vise grips, just like stone rings.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    One of the ideas I had years ago was to get an uncut puck of lab diamond, (at the time this was ~$1500 from one place, probably cheaper now) find a lapidary and get them to cut out a literal diamond ring, a ring made entirely of solid diamond, and then my spouse could say 'That's not a diamond ring. This is a diamond ring.' in a cheesy Aussie accent.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Check with your partner and see what kind of ring they want for their engagement.

    I went to the jewelry store with my partner and shopped for her engagement ring. Ended up doing a custom piece with a rose-gold band and a couple of blue topaz gems. She wanted a ring that would fit comfortably under exam gloves (she worked in a lab at the time). She's much happier with it than a big heavy pointy rock, and it was way cheaper (like 450 for the whole ring).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    On that note, I find diamonds to be the most boring gemstone. Any of the ones with colour are far more interesting to me, I don't get why anyone would want to pay more for diamonds (outside of their industrial purposes) even if they were actually rarer.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm going the custom route as well I just think if you give them something custom it's so much more meaningful than just going and buying something that was merely expensive.

    Also with a really expensive diamond ring you never want to wear it because you always worried it's going to get stolen.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    White sapphire is even cheaper than moissanite and most people don't know any better. It's a little less durable than diamond but looks a lot like a natural diamond. My wife cared more about the look than the actual pricetag, so I got what looks like thousands of dollars worth of ring for less than 10% of that. She's clumsy, so if she bumps into something and the stone pops out and gets lost, no big deal.

    Discuss with your partner. Do not try to trick them by getting them a diamond alternative and then telling them it's a diamond. A reasonable partner (imo) would rather put some of that money towards the wedding and/or marriage itself rather than into a ring. Get the wedding menu you really want or put it towards a house down payment or new furniture or something.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    There is one type of natural diamond that doesn't lose its value. Those are mine cut diamonds. They haven't cut them at the mines since before the cartels took over. I found this out one day, because my GF would wear her late grandmother's wedding and engagement bands. We got curious one day, and wandered into the fancy jewelry story in the mall. I said to the guy, "I know you can't give us an official appraisal, but could you take a look and give us a ballpark." He slipped the loupe on and took a look. Immediately he said something like, "Oh, wow! Haven't seen one of these before." He explained that all 20 of the ¼ carat diamonds and the large 2 carat diamond were all mine cut, so the engagement band could have fetched $100,000 and the wedding band was worth about $250,0000 in 2000 dollars.

    Needless to say, she stopped wearing it frequently after she found out.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I buy my wife jewelry with artificial diamonds, not because she wants it, but because I love to see her wearing it. She calls me a magpie for good reason.

    Ooh sparkly things!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The obvious answer is to buy a large synthetic one. It's still real.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nah, get a moissanite, it is more brilliant, and because it is used as high voltage SiCfets it is way cheaper.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah sure, I'll consider that if and when monogamy ever becomes any sort of option for me.

    But disregarding me, personally, you can see quite how there's a bit of manipulation going on if you're pretending that the visual is "real", right?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So do what my better half and i did - buy a ring from Etsy with a lab-grown stone.

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