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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

NASA should partner with Honda.

How much taxpayer money was tossed at the fucking bottle rocket failure?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The thumbnail had me reminiscing of the poster for The Descent

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would ride a Honda rocket a hundred times before ever setting foot on anything developed by SpaceX

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  • [–] 130 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    MAYBE if we Cut the FAA and OTHER Regulatory agencies it'll not Explode next Time?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Musk is going to be PISSED when he finds out there is no bureau of physics he can subsume or destroy from within. I believe one Rush Stockton came to a similar conclusion, if he indeed had time for that conclusion to even form before perishing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Elon should really pilot the next starship himself. Just put a small 1 person capsule on top (or maybe even 5 people so he can take some of his billionaire friends along) and connect a playstation controller to the engines. Stockton did it, and he made several succesful trips. What you do yourself, you do better!!

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    It's getting more efficient by the day. They used to have to launch it into the air before it had blow up. This way it saves time

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago* (20 children)

    I think Honda has begun building spaceships/rockets too. Think they chose to build the type that don't explode. link

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Japanese cars are superior to American cars

    I had a high school friend who went on to become an engineer at General Motors. One of his first projects for them was tearing down an Infiniti and a Lexus when those cars first came on the market. He said that at the time, GM cars typically had between 300 and 400 production defects of varying severity. When they took apart the Infiniti, they found 2 production defects; when they took apart the Lexus, they found 0.

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  • [+] -39 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    We shouldn’t be building rockets PERIOD. They cost too much and are eventually only going to serve trillionaires.

    FIX SHIT ON THE GROUND FIRST

    That said,

    They did a test from 300 meters, sure it’s cool but I think they have a LONG way to go before they are competetive.

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  • the thing is, when you build rockets, and they actually work, and put people on mars, you can reasonably demand that people who demand exponential growth actually go to mars, because earth is already full. this way, you can get rid of the billionaires.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    If you like SatNav, accurate weather tracking, and advanced intercontinental communication then ya like rockets ya dipshit.

    While Id be the first to ban private rocket launches outright, we shouldn't abandon the advances of the space age because of them.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You've got good points, but your needless insults makes your argument fall on deaf ears.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Separating the message from the messenger is a key skill. A right answer doesn't become wrong because it comes from a jerk.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yep me being an uncouth asshole has little to no bearing on my point. It's like those uppity cunts who act like theyre better just cause they don't swear, usually they are morons I mean Mormons and thusly my inbuilt snob filter works wonders.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hey there I didn’t complain or downvote but also declined to upvote cuz of the two little tiny words of ad hom…..

    … (idea!) …

    DINGUS! Dingus would’ve saved it!

    ya dingus

    Perfect, feels very Lemmy-appropriate—gets the insult with a perfect lulz factor so even the parent commenter could’ve kinda laughed (I hope ppl can take jokes!)

    …sorry I know I’m not your mom, hope this doesn’t come across maximally prescriptive (just my 2c!)

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  • I ain't using dingus firstly cause I'm pretty sure dankpods has a copyright on it and secondarily it has none of the gutteral bite that damned near every other insult in my dialect has. Also I go out of my way to commit some level of ad hom since I find that it's a fine way to figure out if folks have thick enough skin to take seriously, worst case scenario they throw a punch and that's just a good time for me.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Agreed, but your point will usually be a lot better received if you aren't a dick. SpaceX is a great example- it's a great company, but the head of the company taints the whole thing they are trying to achieve.

    It comes down to respect. Even if I'm wrong, treating me with respect will mean I'm more likely to respect you, and if I respect you I'm going to respect your argument.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It’s not a big deal when you’re blowing up someone else’s money with no real accountability.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean... its a big deal if you're anywhere near the launchpad. Or, in or around South Padre Island.

    Also can't help but notice that Starbase, Texas is practically hugging the US/Mexico border. Almost as though Abbott didn't want this shit landing in his own backyard when it failed.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It also helps to be as far south as possible. You get to use more momentum to help get orbit, if I understand it correctly.

    IIRC, that’s why NASA launches from Florida. That and the coast making launch failures safer.

    (But I am not a physicist.)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Proximity to the equator and high elevation make for ideal launch sites. Then eastward facing, because you want to run counter to the earth's spin as you launch and be out over open water if something fucks up. One reason why Kenya, Brazil, and Indonesia were floated as a high efficiency international spaceports decades ago, when efficiency was considered more important than inflating a billionaire's ego.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you told me that I'd be cheering for space rockets exploding 10 years ago I would have called you crazy. Incredible how much damage that fiend has done to our society.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It's incredible, isn't it? I used to be so stoked on space exploration and all the science that goes with it. Still am, really, but my enthusiasm has cooled markedly once billionaires started throwing dick-shaped space missiles around for no other reason than being able to.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's kinda fun to be living in a time where rockets regularly blow up again. Apart from, you know, everything else going on and not wanting astronauts to die.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly, rocket development has always been filled with explosions - the Saturn V had like 6 engine-out events during Apollo and the early Falcon 9 tests were just as explosive. what's different now is we get to see the failures in HD livestreams instead of classified footage that would've been buried in the 60s.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Unplanned rapid disassembly?

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    i thought Nazis were at least competent at making rockets.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    so European nazis are better than African immigrant nazis?

    did we just create a new layer of racism?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    How many times does this gotta happen before we start calling them missiles instead of rockets?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Thoughts and prayers... lol

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I now have the Street Fighter voice in my head going:

    "Honda Wins!"

    For the killjoy that will come pointing out that SpaceX is at another level of development etc., yes, I know that. Japan also has a constitution written by the US that doesn't permit them to have long-range missiles.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    We can't even handle being a multi-country species, maybe Elon should dial back the sci-fi "multi-planet" miniseries playing in his head...

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    People really put the faith of the entire American space program on Elon. It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    It's less that people are putting faith in Elon (sure, some fanatics might be), but it's that everyone else is somehow even worse.

    SpaceX is actually getting stuff to space, despite their prototypes blowing up. Hell, even if this Starship thing is a complete failure and never works, their existing rocket, the Falcon, is still far beyond any of the competition.

    The SLS: $10 Billion and a decade late to develop a ship that recycles old Space shuttle parts, then costs $2-3 Billion per launch, and maybe can only launch one every 2 years.

    ULA Vulcan: currently years late, still finding problems, and even after all that gets worked out, it can maybe do 6 launches a year?

    SpaceX: 1-2 launches per week.

    That's not faith, that's just facts. I would absolutely love to have somebody else step up and take SpaceX's crown, but... there really isn't anybody. Bezos's Blue Origin may have the biggest chance, but they are more likely to act like ULA than SpaceX.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Let my try and distill that. SpaceX is capable of doing some good work, when Elon leaves them alone.

    Remember, Starship is Elon's napkin drawing idea of making a big cheap steel tube. Bigger and bader than everyone else! For a mission that doesn't exist, which it's not even designed properly for. Starship is 100% Elon's blunder and he's made so many insane promises for it that it's dragging SpaceX down.

    Starship is SpaceX's Cybertruck.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Falcon 9 has launched over 500 mission with a very high success rate. Of course the bulk of advancement should be coming from NASA and we need to spend more there, but SpaceX is putting up big numbers in successful payload lifts.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Fuck all commercial dependency. Fully fund NASA, and let them like what they did back in the 60s, which no company could have done.

    Stop relying on corporations to lead our space programs. It's too important to leave to grifters and corner cutters.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    NASA has always been dependent on commercial for profit entities as contractors. The Space Shuttle was developed by Rockwell International (which was later acquired by Boeing). The Apollo Program relied heavily on Boeing, Douglas Aircraft (which later merged into McDonnell Douglas, and then merged with Boeing), and North American Aviation (which later became Rockwell and was acquired by Boeing), and IBM. Lots of cutting edge stuff in that era happened from government contracts throwing money at private corporations.

    That's the whole military industrial complex Eisenhower was talking about.

    The only difference with today is that space companies have other customers to choose from, not just NASA (or the Air Force/Space Force).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    NASA ran the projects. They have specifications to contractors for manufacturing. That's a far cry from farming out the entire process and renting space on a commercial rocket.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    NASA funded SpaceX based on hitting milestones on their COTS program. Those were just as available to Boeing and Blue Origin, but they had less success meeting those milestones and making a profit under fixed price contracts (as opposed to the traditional cost plus contracts). It's still NASA-defined standards, only with an offloading of the risk and uncertainty onto the private contractors, which was great for SpaceX and terrible for Boeing.

    But ultimately it's still just contracting.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If Starship wasn't constantly exploding you might have a point. Seems as though that the reality is that they're all pretty much at the same spot but Elon wants to pretend that they aren't.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It's not a starship, at best it's a low Earth orbit ship.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well, now it's recycling, right?

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's not perfect, but capitalism is the best system we've got. It is only through competition on the free market that we would arrive at a space program this efficient and innovative. Imagine if the government tried to do this! They would've blown up a 100 rockets by now with nothing to show for it, and it would've cost tax payers billions of dollars. The innovation of SpaceX is humanity at it's finest. For thousands of years we've looked up at the sky, and wondered what's there, and now, thanks to the engineering chops of Elon Musk, it is within our grasp. Imagine that, sending a person to space. Maybe someday we'll even be able to put someone on the moon!

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The efficiency of this is amazing, instead of actually sending it up, and waiting for it to blow up, they have figured out how to blow it up on the ground BEFORE launch. This is the kind of efficiency we need in government programs.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Such a remarkable achievement! We should put capitalists on the Starship ASAP so they can enjoy the fruits of "their" labor!

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Was he on it? If he was this is a complete success.

    If he wasn’t.

    Better luck next time I guess?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Elon is stupid, but I'm thinking he's not so stupid as to board one of his own rockets.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He’s a chicken shit ? Why are all these tough guy conservatives such pussies

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't want to risk death. He knows it's not risk-free.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    idk, got to check that "is Musk already dead" tracker community

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If this is real, please post the link!

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